CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 9:19 AM All the Facebook threads and the BHW threads are getting really long and I'm losing some info but somewhere there's a link to a list of all the facilities in the US that have medicated feed.  I have the file saved on my computer so if you question a particular mill and know the city its milled in let me know and I can maybe find it for you. 

SG. - 2015-02-16 9:26 AM  http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/MedicatedFeed/ucm2007993.htm

Gunner11 - 2015-02-16 11:19 AM So I had a very interesting phone conversation with Pat Cassidy, an ADM rep on Saturday. We talked for a good 16 minutes, but just went in circles with each other the whole time. I guess he got my phone number from the local rep that told me they manufacture horse feed and medicated feed on the same machines. He was just given my name and number and told to call me, he honestly had no idea WHY he was supposed to call me. So I filled him in on what the local rep told me, and why I am no longer going to use their feeds. He told me numerous times that they did not kill any horses, the FDA found no issues with their feed, that their feed samples came back with "safe" levels, etc. I told him the ONLY safe level is ZERO. I also brought up how a big time eventer just dropped them and he said "well that doesn't make us guilty" and I said it sure didn't make them innocent! I also brought up how they left feed on the shelves that had the same lot number as the contaminated feed and he said that's simply not true, that I can't believe everything I read on the internet. He couldn't tell me how big their samples were that they had tested, just kept reiterating that none of them came back with dangerous levels. He also said I'd be surprised to find out how many companies use the same machines and do things the same way they are. So I said "so since everyone else is doing it, it's ok for you to do it too?" He said "no, that's not what I'm saying." Then I told him it's very sad that it's happening because horse owners trust feed companies to produce completely safe feed. I also let him know that horse owners are becoming more educated and aren't going to accept this type of negligence. He said they weren't negligent at all for anything. He told me they're "working on" getting a facility that will produce horse feed separately, but to distribute feed throughout the country is too expensive, so they have to rely on other mills. I told him that's their burden to take, that it's part of business. I told him that if they don't want to have separate facilities for each feed that they need to pick one or the other, not both. I also told him that it's not a matter of IF something happens at the other mills, it's a matter of WHEN. I said I don't care how strict you think your processes are, accidents happen and I'm not willing to let my horse be the one that gets a bad batch. He at one point asked me if I ate rice. I stopped him and said "don't try to deflect the conversation." He said "I'm not trying to deflect, just trying to make a point". I told him this conversation is about their feed and it being unsafe, not about what I eat. I told him I truly hope they take what consumers are telling them seriously, but at this point ADM truly thinks they did NOTHING wrong, which is infuriating. They are taking ZERO responsibility for anything and continue to believe it's completely acceptable to have ionophores in their feed.

3canstorun - 2015-02-16 10:36 AM


I can assure you that the 20+ bags of feed that they picked up from my home were probably put back on the shelf somewhere hre in Georgia.   I had 42 total on the pallett.  8 total are still at my home in the original bags - opened because we had to dip it out of the bin.  And, the rest were either fed or thrown away because they were contaminated.  And, I have the results from a lab to prove it.   

southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin  is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS.  If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely  use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find  the truth? 

   

Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 6:55 PM I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe?

Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 4:55 PM

I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe?

Nevertooold - 2015-02-16 8:07 PM


This is getting too crazy..The old Mineola mill was marked MN and they quit them because of consistency problems. They then started to use Sequin that is suppose to be a ionophore free mill and they were having problems with the sprayers because of the fat they added so they suspended milling from them until they got the sprayers replaced. Sequin is (81) and they then brought feed in from (BY) Byhalia, MS and Casa Grande (43) until the Sequin mill was back up and running. I just got a bag of TC Senior from (BY) and it's the supremo quality that I use to get and is why I had started to feed it. I was told (43) wasn't an ionophore free mill but they mill in segregrated areas. I won't be buying anything from (43).  

Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 8:29 PM Yes the BY, bag is awesome! He did tell me that about the sprayers at seguin.

CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 6:02 PM


Nutrena tried pulling that BS on me too.  Just because its Monensin free doesn't mean its Ionophore free.  Monensin is just ONE Ionophore out of about 20'ish.  When Nutrena told me they were Monensin free I then asked exactly which Ionophore was run through the New Richland, MN facility along with my horse feed.  That was when I got a reply from the plant manager.  I would need to look back at the message to see exactly which one it was but never the less - its still poison for horses.  

southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 2:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin  is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS.  If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely  use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find  the truth? 

 

southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin  is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS.  If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely  use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find  the truth? 

   

rachellyn80 - 2015-02-17 10:44 AM You want Ionophore free...not just Monensin.  Many mills are just lying by omission on this subject.  They use Lasalocid or another Ionophore and are telling people that they are Monensin free so they are safe.



All Ionophores are toxic to horses.