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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2013-11-25 4:44 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Its just to hard to please everyone, I say check the rules and payouts befor you go, and if you dont like it dont go.
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speedjunkie Reg. Dec 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 4:46 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Expert Posts: 1218 Location: Great NW	DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying.
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barrelracr131 Reg. Aug 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Hungarian Midget Woman Location: Midwest	speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. Sarcasm: you're not recognizing it.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 4:52 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check?
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doc o lena bar Reg. Nov 2003	Posted 2013-11-25 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Pokey's Honor Guard Posts: 3041 Location: North Texas	I don't guess I think like everyone else about the equal payout! I see where some people are coming from but the D system was put into place to allow everyone an opportunity to win money even if you don't have that top 1D horse. Its also allows someone with a young horse to bring them up through the D's while hauling and training them and still have a chance at getting their entry back. I know that I hope the D's are still in place whether equal or regular payout when I get older so at least I can still go have fun and win some money. Its not like this is our full time job. I work an 8-5 job 5 days a week. Go play and have fun on the weekends. Its not like this is my living. We have both types of races around here. I don't mind either one, but I do think the faster horse should win more money. I have a 1D/2D mare, also a 2D/3D mare and an older gelding that would fall in the 3D/4D. So I think that before you enter a race you should read the rules and payout that way you won't pull up complaining about the payout. I've seen it both ways, complaining about equal payout and regular payout. I'm just glad we live in a country right now where we can choose to goto the race we want to. NOW, Can I have some Popcorn? Edited by doc o lena bar 2013-11-25 4:57 PM
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rodeowithjoker Reg. Jun 2006	Posted 2013-11-25 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Am I really the Weirdo? Posts: 11181 Location: Kansas	TXBO - 2013-11-25 4:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? I hate that! But its the price we pay for having races with a thousand entries. My rodeo horse was 21st out of 1014 at the Bonus Race Finals last year with a 16.2 and won absolutely nothing while my young one ran a 17.8 and won $1495, a saddle and buckle. Was it fair? No. But I went to the race knowing it could happen. If you don't have a 1D horse you are just hoping to land right time-wise to pull a check anyway, whether its in the 2D or the 5D. personally I don't take my 1D or 2D horses to equal pay races unless they have a crap ton of added money, but if I had a trailer of colts that would be hit & miss in the lower D's, equal pay might be appealing. I'm a big believer in looking at the race rules and figuring out if you like them enough to go. If you don't agree, then skip it. There's always another barrel race. Edited by rodeowithjoker 2013-11-25 5:12 PM
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LRQHS Reg. Nov 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 5:24 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped Posts: 16390 Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :)	stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary. Well, then pass the popcorn, please...... I am serving margueritas with the popcorn. Makes the repititious dialog more palatable. Fantastic!! I'll take two :) I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please :)
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speedjunkie Reg. Dec 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 5:30 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Expert Posts: 1218 Location: Great NW	TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... Edited by speedjunkie 2013-11-25 5:32 PM
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 5:36 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now? You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other?
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speedjunkie Reg. Dec 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 5:37 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Expert Posts: 1218 Location: Great NW	No. and I do rodeo when I have that calibur of horse.
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runs4fun Reg. Oct 2006	Posted 2013-11-25 5:46 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
	TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now? You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other? The reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. In other words, it made it possible for people and/or horses that would NEVER have a chance to place at a straight pay out barrel race to have a chance, a darn good chance, even if it is kind of a lottery style chance. Then some people decided that they didn't think that was fair and they wanted more, kind of like a give them an inch and they want to take a mile situation...enough is enough, why can't we be glad that we have divisional barrel races where everyone has a chance to make a little money without going overboard. That's my take on it at least. Edited by runs4fun 2013-11-25 5:47 PM
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speedjunkie Reg. Dec 2011	Posted 2013-11-25 5:47 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Expert Posts: 1218 Location: Great NW	runs4fun - 2013-11-25 3:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now? You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other? The reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. In other words, it made it possible for people and/or horses that would NEVER have a chance to place at a straight pay out barrel race to have a chance, a darn good chance, even if it is kind of a lottery style chance. Then some people decided that they didn't think that was fair and they wanted more, kind of like a give them an inch and they want to take a mile situation...enough is enough, why can't we be glad that we have divisional barrel races where everyone has a chance to make a little money without going overboard. That's my take on it at least. Runs4fun ~ Well Said
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now? You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other? The reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. In other words, it made it possible for people and/or horses that would NEVER have a chance to place at a straight pay out barrel race to have a chance, a darn good chance, even if it is kind of a lottery style chance. Then some people decided that they didn't think that was fair and they wanted more, kind of like a give them an inch and they want to take a mile situation...enough is enough, why can't we be glad that we have divisional barrel races where everyone has a chance to make a little money without going overboard. That's my take on it at least. It's still hypocracy. Ya can't be a little bit pregnant..... or a little bit socialist. If you want to be fairest to the best horse and rider teams, elliminate the D's then no horse earns a check over a faster horse. Out of curiousity, what do you think would happen to the big events if only those that were confident of placing in the 1D showed? Payouts going up or down?
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PMThe reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. .... That was no compromise. It was a way of attracting enough people to allow big shows to be successful. People who would have never donated their money to the sharks. Edited by TXBO 2013-11-25 6:06 PM
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SKM Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2013-11-25 6:06 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Saint Stacey	I personally hate the equal payout. Why? Because life isn't equal or "fair". Just like not every kid has the athletic ability to play as a varsity player. The arguement that it costs the same for everyone so they should get paid the same makes me giggle. Mainly because I had a very well known vet tell my daughter if she would just slow her horse down we wouldn't have to see him because she wouldn't have as high of a chance of getting injured. I remember before the D system where you'd have maybe 30 girls at a jackpot. The arguement that the lower D's make more payout doesn't really hold water because even winning a straight payout with 30 riders pays the top 6 the same as winning the 1D with 60 girls if it's a 4D. I also think it's funny how back when the D system was started, girls with colts and less athletic horses were just thrilled that they could come out and make a little money. Now they are saying they deserve the same because it is only "fair". Which brings us back to the beginning.... life isn't fair. How's that for an opinion? Edited by SKM 2013-11-25 6:07 PM
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runs4fun Reg. Oct 2006	Posted 2013-11-25 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
	TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:56 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? No I am not happy with the fact that some 1d horses fall in the crack but I have come to accept it... but I will not accept equal payouts for each D. I will just rodeo if it comes to that. Get me a Margarita please.... If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now? You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other? The reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. In other words, it made it possible for people and/or horses that would NEVER have a chance to place at a straight pay out barrel race to have a chance, a darn good chance, even if it is kind of a lottery style chance. Then some people decided that they didn't think that was fair and they wanted more, kind of like a give them an inch and they want to take a mile situation...enough is enough, why can't we be glad that we have divisional barrel races where everyone has a chance to make a little money without going overboard. That's my take on it at least. It's still hypocracy. Ya can't be a little bit pregnant..... or a little bit socialist. If you want to be fairest to the best horse and rider teams, elliminate the D's then no horse earns a check over a faster horse. Out of curiousity, what do you think would happen to the big events if only those that were confident of placing in the 1D showed? Payouts going up or down? You are refusing to understand that a system was developed to allow a barrel race to happen that would be beneficial for all levels and that once that became acceptable certain people decided that they wanted MORE given to them without actually earning it. To answer your question: I think everyone knows what would happen to the big races if only those confident of making 1D entered, it would be a very small barrel race which is why the divisional concept was implemented. I call that accepting compromise for the good of all not being hypocritcal. You and I will just have to agree to disagree! It still comes down to enter the shows where you agree with the terms and don't where you have a problem with the rules or if we do enter then keep our opinions to ourselves.
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casualdust07 Reg. Mar 2005	Posted 2013-11-25 6:13 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
You get what you give Posts: 13030 Location: Texas	I prefer sliding scale payout. But the local association I run in has equal payout, and the jackpot still pays really well…the ground is great, the year end awards are awesome, the people are friendly….and our races pull over 150 runners with no added money on a regular basis. Since this association is my "home association," I run there in spite of the equal payout. It's not worth the fight over one thing when I am happy with everything else. Now I much prefer sliding pay out, and am super thrilled when I go to a race that has it! and when I go to the rodeos, I'm just happy to flat get a check at all..LOL
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 6:17 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	runs4fun - 2013-11-25 6:07 PM You are refusing to understand that a system was developed to allow a barrel race to happen that would be beneficial for all levels and that once that became acceptable certain people decided that they wanted MORE given to them without actually earning it. To answer your question: I think everyone knows what would happen to the big races if only those confident of making 1D entered, it would be a very small barrel race which is why the divisional concept was implemented. I call that accepting compromise for the good of all not being hypocritcal. You and I will just have to agree to disagree! It still comes down to enter the shows where you agree with the terms and don't where you have a problem with the rules or if we do enter then keep our opinions to ourselves. The system was developed to make the shows economically viable. You can't say the 1D champion should make more than the 4D champion because the fastest horse deserves more money but then award a check to a 4D champion when you send 1D horses in the crack home with nothing........ That is unless you want to be hypocritical.
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AllAroundRider Reg. Sep 2009	Posted 2013-11-25 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Queen Bee Cat Owner Posts: 3629 Location: Way up North	I think this is something that everyone will have a different opinion and that opinion will differ from race to race depending on where their horse landed. If you have the horse that wins the race you want sliding scale, if your horse had a slip and ran 3rd in the 3d suddenly even payout looks like a heck of a good idea to a lot of them. I am of the opinion to do whichever one brings in the most entrants. More entrants equals bigger payouts. More entrants equals more attractive to sponsors which also equals more money/prizes. I am NOT a socialist by any means and I don't think I should get the same paycheck as someone that is "better" than me but that really is how the D system boils down. Somehow being one one-thousandth of a second slower can mean an enormous paycheck while being one one-thousandth faster means better luck next time. It costs the same for everyone to enter so I can see why people would argue payouts should be equal. People could also argue if you want to run for straight payout feel free to hit the rodeo road. I do not like equal payouts but I also do not think the 1d should get a lions share more than the rest. It should be a sliding payout based on percentages. I have not seen any real statisticts to support which style actually gets more entrants but I would sure like to see them. Edited by AllAroundRider 2013-11-25 6:59 PM
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Red Raider Reg. Jul 2010	Posted 2013-11-25 7:10 PM Subject: RE: Equal Payouts
Toastest with the Mostest Posts: 5712 Location: That part of Texas	LRQHS - 2013-11-25 5:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary. Well, then pass the popcorn, please...... I am serving margueritas with the popcorn. Makes the repititious dialog more palatable. Fantastic!! I'll take two :) I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please :) You know, I actually disagree. It's not every month but every couple of months. It's always a nice break to fight over this instead of the typical cloning or breeding thread that takes off like a horse running from a plastic sack. It's like having a fine wine or nice whiskey to pull out of the coffers every now and then and savor in the moment.
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