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Location: Texas | Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer.
However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste.
Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens.
And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts.
Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed. | |
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Location: Texas | I'm guessing that most of you that are heavily criticizing the BHN staff haven't ever worked in journalism before because if you had, you would be a little more forgiving. For some reason catching typos makes people feel like they are high and mighty, especially when it is not actually their job. It's always easy to be a couch critic no matter what you are deciding to pick apart. I'm guessing that the misspelling on the front page is actually a typo and not a misspelling. It's also possible that the wrong version of the layout could have been sent as the final. There are a number of situations that could have happened. Working in Journalism is extremely stressful, no matter if you work in a tv newsroom, for a newspaper, or a national magazine like BHN. Most of these people wear multiple hats and are paid very little for what they do. The sucky thing about it is that once the mistake is made, it is made and there is nothing to do about it. Your mistake is then sent out to tens of thousands of people! I promise you the person responsible for this is horrified! So that is my two cents.
Also on a side note: I proofread documents for a profession (I didn't go over this post, so don't tear it apart. This is just a forum!) I've had people tell me that once they found out what my job was, they actually were afraid to send me a texts because their spelling was bad. I always laugh and say, "It's a job not a hobby. I don't get paid to correct your spelling and plus... I'm not a jerk." So send away, I can read!
In a cycle of improvement, it is always uncomfortable to discover what the "issues" are. I'm sure that if the magazine has good management, a new, better, improved process will be put into effect that will prevent these things from happening in the future. I'm sure that the staff has a true appreciation for spelling, grammar, and content or they wouldn't be in the business they are. This is isn't about who can spell and who is best with grammar. | |
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Location: Texas | aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM
Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer.
However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste.
Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens.
And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts.
Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed.
I think we were posting about the same time. Fact is: when you've worked in the business of journalism you understand that people need to have a little more compassion. lol | |
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| aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed.
Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen.
Edited by smiley 2013-12-02 12:17 PM
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Location: Texas | smiley - 2013-12-02 12:12 PM
aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed. Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.Â
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen.
Wasn't saying that the designers change words. I was meaning that if the designer typed in the text, the mistake could have happened then. Not making excuses, just pointing out possibilities.
Should the mistake have been caught? Yes.
Was it? No.
Should they issue an apology? No.
Should they be berated because of a mistake? No.
The error reflects on the editor. But the reality is that with the number of people in the process, it should have been caught. | |
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| aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 12:52 PM smiley - 2013-12-02 12:12 PM aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed.
Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen. Wasn't saying that the designers change words. I was meaning that if the designer typed in the text, the mistake could have happened then. Not making excuses, just pointing out possibilities. Should the mistake have been caught? Yes. Was it? No. Should they issue an apology? No. Should they be berated because of a mistake? No. The error reflects on the editor. But the reality is that with the number of people in the process, it should have been caught.
Totally agree. Love the magazine. Kinda surprised regularly by what is missed, but in general, it's a great publication with good stories. I think they like the "inside" mind of a barrel horse nerd vs. having a word nerd that might get every word right, but might not have as good of story ideas?? Who knows.......... I do understand the OP's frustration though, as a word nerd................ | |
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Location: Texas | smiley - 2013-12-02 3:49 PM
aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 12:52 PM smiley - 2013-12-02 12:12 PM aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed.
Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.Â
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen. Wasn't saying that the designers change words. I was meaning that if the designer typed in the text, the mistake could have happened then. Not making excuses, just pointing out possibilities. Should the mistake have been caught? Yes. Was it? No. Should they issue an apology? No. Should they be berated because of a mistake? No. The error reflects on the editor. But the reality is that with the number of people in the process, it should have been caught.
Totally agree. I can think of several other equine publications that do the same thing. OMG! It drives me bonkers. | |
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Location: somewhere between here and the next barrel race |  at least it's in small print, in the upper right of the front cover..  .. - "Laternal Movement with Dick Pieper" 
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | smiley - 2013-12-02 11:12 AM aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed.
Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen.
Sorry Maryanna, Gonna disagree here. They don't change words on purpose, but it happens. Seen it happen way too many times. Copy/Paste and then accidentally deleted while trying a new font or bolding/shading and it gets retyped wrong. Working with four different ad/graphic designers, I keep all my hard copy handy to make sure that doesn't happen. Even so I don't always catch it on the proof, and if I ask for a corrrection, I don't always get a proof back to make sure the correction was made because of tight deadlines. Had that happen with the Texas Best Sale catalog here recently. I also wonder why more graphics programs don't come with spell check. I know it would be darn handy. | |
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| zipper - 2013-12-02 7:25 PM smiley - 2013-12-02 11:12 AM aggiejudger - 2013-12-02 7:59 AM Having worked and freelanced for multiple publications, I just have to say that publications dread these mistakes. Yes, all publications (especially the big ones) have someone who serves as a copy editor and proofs EVERYTHING before it goes to the designer. However, once it goes to the designer, there is no assurance that the spelling will remain correct. It should, but not always. Often the designer just copies and pastes from Word into the design program being used. But.... the designer may also choose to just type in the text rather than copy/paste. Once the magazine is laid out, it goes through another proofing process with multiple people (usually all staff) reviewing the magazine in the hopes of eliminating all glaring errors. Unfortunately, after looking at something numerous times, your brain automatically makes the error appear correct and it is overlooked. Not always, but it happens. And errors are very common in fonts used for design purposes. Our brains are not adept at catching mistakes in san serif (no feet) on the fonts. San serif fonts are extremely common in design, whereas, serif (like Times New Roman) is used in the body of text. Our brains are better able to read serif fonts. Not justifying the mistake, but no magazine is error free. I hated looking at issues after they went to print. Because even after they were printed, I would find errors that we had missed. Worked in journalism.
Not the first error by a long shot.
They like the editor more because she is a barrel racer and knows people and really cares about barrel racing.
Designers do not change words. Nor do the printers. To try to place blame somewhere else would be silly. I'm sure she's taken full credit for the error.
Edited to say that Yes, I have made errors as well, we all do. And I take full credit for them when they happen. Sorry Maryanna, Gonna disagree here. They don't change words on purpose, but it happens. Seen it happen way too many times. Copy/Paste and then accidentally deleted while trying a new font or bolding/shading and it gets retyped wrong. Working with four different ad/graphic designers, I keep all my hard copy handy to make sure that doesn't happen. Even so I don't always catch it on the proof, and if I ask for a corrrection, I don't always get a proof back to make sure the correction was made because of tight deadlines. Had that happen with the Texas Best Sale catalog here recently. I also wonder why more graphics programs don't come with spell check. I know it would be darn handy.
I'm not being ugly, I'm saying that I'm sure that most would rather claim their mistake than to blow it to someone else. If it were my mistake, I would just take it on the chin. Like I said, she brings more to the table than the occasional error.
Edited to stay that I missed it on the first read too............
Edited by smiley 2013-12-03 12:25 AM
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Wow, really? I'm sure it's embarrassing for them to have a mistake, but we're all human. Far more worse things in the world to get all bent out of shape about this. For instance, I haven't even received my BHN yet this month  | |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Lol! Good thing they don't print an Editors' page on all OUR mistakes as riders! They make fewer "nistakes" than WE do!! Lol!!
Edited by hopin4$ 2013-12-03 8:10 AM
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Location: Texas Big Country | LRQHS - 2013-12-02 8:10 AM Well, I am declaring it a word lol......
Laternal: a verb; a movement; side by side movement which makes a gradual turn to the north.
Perhaps a nocturnal creature that always sleeps LATE. i.e. teenagers? You may have coined a new "turn of phrase" | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracer_3d - 2013-12-02 8:03 PM
   at least it's in small print,  in the upper right of the front cover.. .. - "Laternal Movement with Dick Pieper" Â
Well... at least they got his first name right... | |
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Location: somewhere between here and the next barrel race | I just got my issue today. . - Mr. Pieper's article is good, ... but, now.... that photo of Talmadge..... (breaks my heart) .... what a team, it's A W E SO M E !
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