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hlynn
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2013-12-09 6:16 PM
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barrelracer_3d - 2013-12-09 7:11 PM

 Wow, they're all GREAT riders, and  ...  with that being said, I'm hopin they don't switch horses tonight, especially the first 5 riders.
First up tonight: Brittanny.   Then Sabrina, then Fallon, Christy, and Michele!    --- They all will have the best ground TONIGHT!... I can hardly wait..       Only 4 more hours of waiting    (I listen "live" via   www.prorodeolive.com  ) !  --     Then, tomorrow I get to watch them ride, on YouTube.  

I ordered GAC today. Just to watch it an hour or so after I know who wins. Lol.
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WrapSnap
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Posted 2013-12-10 12:32 AM
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Let's discuss Round 5!

Lisa- As I said previously, Louie seems to be loosening up through his body and finding that snappy turn that really allows him to shut off the clock! It sure worked tonight!

Mary- Mary rode with a purpose tonight. She stayed square all they way to the backsides. Watch as she ran to the third. There was no "fumbling" of reins, no intent to try and "hold him off". She rode that sucker just as straight and aggressively as you'd want her to. Watch as her knee comes level with the barrel and her inside shoulder is still riding for the back fence.

Sherry- Stingray had a phenomenal first barrel, yet again. We're seeing that outside rein coming into play more and more at the second barrel as the week goes on. Stingray is attentive to it at this point, but it is becoming a bit worrisome.

Christy- This was exactly what I was expecting after last night. Movin' stayed upright and ran all the way up into the hole at the third, exactly where Christy put her in Round 4.

Taylor- Bo is just so super solid. Taylor did a great job of using her seat on the backside of the 2nd to push Bo another step through the turn. Otherwise, he may well have come back over top of that barrel.

Shada- Another good first barrel for Dial It tonight. I feel like they've worked out the kinks and found their way around the T&M now. I think that stiffer style is telling on them a bit there at the third. Were it me, I'd have a set of draw reins on him in practice tomorrow and be softening him back up. I also think that it appears as though Shada is still running him in a set of Latricia's reins, or at least that length of rein and it's just not totally working for her.

Jean- Zan had a very nice run tonight. I'm pulling for this pair to find themselves at the pay window soon.

Kaley- Cowboy was solid, as always. That lean at the 2nd barrel found it's way on down the pen to the third tonight and it got very squeaky. Kaley is a phenomenal rider who has the ability to stay very square in the saddle. As easy as it is to get caught up in the excitement of a run and doing things out of the ordinary to "make it work" I hope to see her get back to the form that we all know her for.

Sydni- I was impressed with the progression of Clancy's run tonight. It was, by far his best first barrel yet. I think if Sydni could get him just a little deeper on the backside of the second, he'd be even more fluid there, but considering the difference from Round 4 to Round 5, that's just me being nit picky.

Brittany- Teddy looked good tonight. Brittany has obviously done a very nice job of seasoning this young mare. I just feel like Teddy isn't quite as strong as those big, powerful geldings that we are used to seeing Brittany on. In this short setup, where Teddy is already getting a little setty, she just can't pick Brittany's weight up and clock if Brittany gets to leading off and laying in over her inside shoulder.

Fallon- I'm not going to fault Nefertiti for not finding the first barrel. It's her first run in that pen and she sure hasn't been running nearly as much as BabyFlo this year. I will say that I feel as though Fallon's free wheeling style is not offering her horses the support that I feel they need in order to be at their best.

Michelle- I felt like Slick catching that first barrel was just unlucky. He got just a bit deep in the pocket and boy was he trying to make up for it.! I am never one to fault a horse for working too hard. Michelle has been giving him a great ride and so long as she doesn't allow this little bump in the road to rattle her, I think we'll see her continuing to pick up checks.

Sabrina- I actually felt like this was Sabrina's best first barrel of the week, although it was a little hard to see super well with the changing camera angle during her turn. The first few rounds, she came off of the first barrel much wider, which got her into the second pretty tight. Doing so forced Swivel to take his room on the backside of the 2nd. With the better finish tonight, I feel as though Sabrina just needs to set her sights a little deeper behind the barrels. He got a little short at the third, as well and stepped off a bit leaving as a result.

Trula- Worm just continues to get stickier. I just don't think attempting to hustle by is enough at this point. This is a great pair, very capable of clocking where they need to and leaving the barrels up. I sure hope she gets something worked out!

Jane- I'm not sure if Jane just felt that Blackie needed the night off, or if she wanted to get this horse in the pen, but I think they are two such vastly different horses that switching back and forth on them might be quite the feat, as was proven tonight.
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Komet
Reg. May 2011
Posted 2013-12-10 12:39 AM
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Not Fair! All I got to see was a close up view of the 3rd barrel...
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stayceem
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2013-12-10 3:28 AM
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I agree! Im really pulling for Jean, that team is working hard!! I expecteda better time out of Clancy... was thinking sub 14 but i think it's in the future, he's getting more confident. Louie is really gaining confidence and i think it's just the beginning! So great to see Christy in the top, she worked it out tonight! That Bo sure makes it look easy, i thought i saw more of a misstep off 1st but they both act like such seasoned competitors, no break in concentration. I am majorly bummed for Michele. That was a nice run!! Im cheering for her tomorrow, that was a bummer tip and again for Jean to make some money!

Eta is it me or does Fallon kick really far back? Not intent of rudeness, not sure if it's the short body of her horses or body position?


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Nateracer
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-10 7:25 AM
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I was SOO Excited to see Louie fire tonight!  His whole exit from first was fabulous! 

I was also happy to see Christy and Movin clock under 14.  On FB her boy send her a message, "No more stupid 14s"  Must have been her good luck charm!  Happy they did well!

Sherry and Stingray gave my heart a little jump.  I thought they were going to get a barrel!   


 
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CYA Ranch
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-10 7:50 AM
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Too funny that Wrap mentioned Shada and the draw reins.  There was an interview done earlier in the year where Shada said Trevor is her secret weapon for barrel training....he pulls out the draw reins and works her horses.  With a grin he denied it. LOL  
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dme0324
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2013-12-10 9:13 AM
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I thought it looked like Slick stumbled or tripped, like he kind of fell into the barrel.  For a brief moment, I got scared he was going down?

Did I totally imagine that?   
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WrapSnap
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2013-12-10 9:17 AM
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dme0324 - 2013-12-10 9:13 AM

I thought it looked like Slick stumbled or tripped, like he kind of fell into the barrel.  For a brief moment, I got scared he was going down?

Did I totally imagine that?   

No, he definitely stuck a toe on the backside, causing him to come back even harder.
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Rolling J
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2013-12-10 9:25 AM
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I don't have enough talent in my pinky to critique any of these women but I have to add...I have had MANY honest reactions of...

"WOW, watch that horse turn!!!"

"WoW, that girl can ride!!!"

"OMG, I love that horse!"

I am just in amazement of some of these runs and even some realizations that the pros have off days (but then again my BEST day would not even come close to their off day ).
 
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Karlaw
Reg. Jul 2011
Posted 2013-12-10 9:27 AM
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just want to say that I love this thread!
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ride n slide
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-12-10 9:36 AM
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hlynn - 2013-12-09 1:30 PM

I've seen still frames of Fallon's runs where she's knocked the third. Last night, she was holding her off with all of her might, & Flo still dropped that shoulder.

Do you think it's a bad habit she's picked up? Or more of a rider not doing EVERYTHING they can to keep her up (driving up, using two hands, using more leg, etc)? Do you think she would be having the same issue with a shanked bit?

These are questions I've been having about what's going on. I know she's switching to Nefertiti tonight.

BabyFlo is so much fun to watch too. I hate that she keeps having issues with that third. Her first barrel keeps getting better & better.

In the run I saw Fallon make in 4th go, she rode one handed all the way to third, never released the horn after the second. A ratey horse will shoulder it every time when you do that. 

 

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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2013-12-10 9:50 AM
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The one observation I have seen is the horses that are knocking have more of the tear drop turning style (like what Lisa Lockhart teaches) and the ones that are not knocking have the circle style (dena Kirkpatrick style). Has anyone else noticed this?

Also I noticed that majority if their hand position is in the upper half of the horses neck (what ed wright teaches)
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ride n slide
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-12-10 9:56 AM
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bccanchaser16 - 2013-12-09 6:31 PM I want Louie. I had a gelding named Louie so I was a little partial to him when I saw Lisa ride him the first time and since then he's been my favorite because he runs the exact same pattern every time. He is the horse I want my mare to turn out like. Calm, listens to Lisa, and consistency.



I'm also a huge Christy fan and RUN MOVIN RUN!

 Did ya'll know that Louie is a past snaffle bit futurity champion, as in working cow horse??? He's broke to death having been a cow horse competitor. You can see it in his willingness and consistency. One thing all the great horses have in common- they are BROKE!
http://www.bbarheartperformancehorses.com/performers.htm
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Karlaw
Reg. Jul 2011
Posted 2013-12-10 10:03 AM
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ride n slide - 2013-12-10 8:56 AM

bccanchaser16 - 2013-12-09 6:31 PM I want Louie. I had a gelding named Louie so I was a little partial to him when I saw Lisa ride him the first time and since then he's been my favorite because he runs the exact same pattern every time. He is the horse I want my mare to turn out like. Calm, listens to Lisa, and consistency.



I'm also a huge Christy fan and RUN MOVIN RUN!

 Did ya'll know that Louie is a past snaffle bit futurity champion, as in working cow horse??? He's broke to death having been a cow horse competitor. You can see it in his willingness and consistency. One thing all the great horses have in common- they are BROKE!
http://www.bbarheartperformancehorses.com/performers.htm

ok im not bashing her, but FT was running her baby flo the same year she broke her, does that contribute to her showing at the finals. Yes she made it to the NFR but i dont think that she has the same foundation as a lot of the other horses do.
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LMS
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-10 10:27 AM
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ride n slide - 2013-12-10 9:36 AM
hlynn - 2013-12-09 1:30 PM



I've seen still frames of Fallon's runs where she's knocked the third. Last night, she was holding her off with all of her might, & Flo still dropped that shoulder.



Do you think it's a bad habit she's picked up? Or more of a rider not doing EVERYTHING they can to keep her up (driving up, using two hands, using more leg, etc)? Do you think she would be having the same issue with a shanked bit?



These are questions I've been having about what's going on. I know she's switching to Nefertiti tonight.



BabyFlo is so much fun to watch too. I hate that she keeps having issues with that third. Her first barrel keeps getting better & better.



In the run I saw Fallon make in 4th go, she rode one handed all the way to third, never released the horn after the second. A ratey horse will shoulder it every time when you do that. 



 

With this I have to politely disagree, I ride a ratey horse and on certain runs, I defintely stay one handed, because when I go to two he shortens up more than when I stay one handed.  I'm finding with these runs that most of the girls ride a lot the same, but it's their horses that are different.  "It takes all kinds of kinds"

Was glad someone pointed out the hand position (Cheryl I think)  I noticed that most everyone has their hands waaay forward on their horses necks, might be something I need to concentrate on! 
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ksjackofalltrades
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Posted 2013-12-10 10:31 AM
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I guess not too many remember Baby Flos mother running at the Thomas and Mack.  She hated that pen and it looks like to me her daughter does too.   
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ride n slide
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Posted 2013-12-10 11:17 AM
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LMS - 2013-12-10 11:27 AM
ride n slide - 2013-12-10 9:36 AM
hlynn - 2013-12-09 1:30 PM



I've seen still frames of Fallon's runs where she's knocked the third. Last night, she was holding her off with all of her might, & Flo still dropped that shoulder.



Do you think it's a bad habit she's picked up? Or more of a rider not doing EVERYTHING they can to keep her up (driving up, using two hands, using more leg, etc)? Do you think she would be having the same issue with a shanked bit?



These are questions I've been having about what's going on. I know she's switching to Nefertiti tonight.



BabyFlo is so much fun to watch too. I hate that she keeps having issues with that third. Her first barrel keeps getting better & better.



In the run I saw Fallon make in 4th go, she rode one handed all the way to third, never released the horn after the second. A ratey horse will shoulder it every time when you do that. 



 
With this I have to politely disagree, I ride a ratey horse and on certain runs, I defintely stay one handed, because when I go to two he shortens up more than when I stay one handed.  I'm finding with these runs that most of the girls ride a lot the same, but it's their horses that are different.  "It takes all kinds of kinds"



Was glad someone pointed out the hand position (Cheryl I think)  I noticed that most everyone has their hands waaay forward on their horses necks, might be something I need to concentrate on! 

Of course we all have our own style and way of doing it but I believe a horse has to have a foundation of being really broke in the face, ribcage, etc, moving off leg, counter bending, before they ever see a barrel. Two hands on the reins and driving forward means no shutting out and shouldering. In round 3, Sherry popped Stingray's face witht the outside rein one time just as she approached the third. It was the perfect move to keep her up and moving forward an instant longer which kept her from shouldering the barrel at the approach. She can do that because Stingray is so broke and in tune to rider cues that Sherry can keep her honest. IMHO, I've never seen a one hand approach to the barrel keep the barrel up on one that wants to shut down and shoulder in, but I haven't ridden your horse!!
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TyE
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Posted 2013-12-10 11:26 AM
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Thanks for the analysis!  It reminds me of when we had past NFR qualifiers do  the same thing.
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ksjackofalltrades - 2013-12-10 8:31 AM I guess not too many remember Baby Flos mother running at the Thomas and Mack.  She hated that pen and it looks like to me her daughter does too.   

I wondered if she would run like her mother in that pen.  
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Posted 2013-12-10 3:40 PM
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WrapSnap - 2013-12-10 12:32 AM Let's discuss Round 5! Lisa- As I said previously, Louie seems to be loosening up through his body and finding that snappy turn that really allows him to shut off the clock! It sure worked tonight! Mary- Mary rode with a purpose tonight. She stayed square all they way to the backsides. Watch as she ran to the third. There was no "fumbling" of reins, no intent to try and "hold him off". She rode that sucker just as straight and aggressively as you'd want her to. Watch as her knee comes level with the barrel and her inside shoulder is still riding for the back fence. Sherry- Stingray had a phenomenal first barrel, yet again. We're seeing that outside rein coming into play more and more at the second barrel as the week goes on. Stingray is attentive to it at this point, but it is becoming a bit worrisome. Christy- This was exactly what I was expecting after last night. Movin' stayed upright and ran all the way up into the hole at the third, exactly where Christy put her in Round 4. Taylor- Bo is just so super solid. Taylor did a great job of using her seat on the backside of the 2nd to push Bo another step through the turn. Otherwise, he may well have come back over top of that barrel. Shada- Another good first barrel for Dial It tonight. I feel like they've worked out the kinks and found their way around the T&M now. I think that stiffer style is telling on them a bit there at the third. Were it me, I'd have a set of draw reins on him in practice tomorrow and be softening him back up. I also think that it appears as though Shada is still running him in a set of Latricia's reins, or at least that length of rein and it's just not totally working for her. Jean- Zan had a very nice run tonight. I'm pulling for this pair to find themselves at the pay window soon. Kaley- Cowboy was solid, as always. That lean at the 2nd barrel found it's way on down the pen to the third tonight and it got very squeaky. Kaley is a phenomenal rider who has the ability to stay very square in the saddle. As easy as it is to get caught up in the excitement of a run and doing things out of the ordinary to "make it work" I hope to see her get back to the form that we all know her for. Sydni- I was impressed with the progression of Clancy's run tonight. It was, by far his best first barrel yet. I think if Sydni could get him just a little deeper on the backside of the second, he'd be even more fluid there, but considering the difference from Round 4 to Round 5, that's just me being nit picky. Brittany- Teddy looked good tonight. Brittany has obviously done a very nice job of seasoning this young mare. I just feel like Teddy isn't quite as strong as those big, powerful geldings that we are used to seeing Brittany on. In this short setup, where Teddy is already getting a little setty, she just can't pick Brittany's weight up and clock if Brittany gets to leading off and laying in over her inside shoulder. Fallon- I'm not going to fault Nefertiti for not finding the first barrel. It's her first run in that pen and she sure hasn't been running nearly as much as BabyFlo this year. I will say that I feel as though Fallon's free wheeling style is not offering her horses the support that I feel they need in order to be at their best. Michelle- I felt like Slick catching that first barrel was just unlucky. He got just a bit deep in the pocket and boy was he trying to make up for it.! I am never one to fault a horse for working too hard. Michelle has been giving him a great ride and so long as she doesn't allow this little bump in the road to rattle her, I think we'll see her continuing to pick up checks. Sabrina- I actually felt like this was Sabrina's best first barrel of the week, although it was a little hard to see super well with the changing camera angle during her turn. The first few rounds, she came off of the first barrel much wider, which got her into the second pretty tight. Doing so forced Swivel to take his room on the backside of the 2nd. With the better finish tonight, I feel as though Sabrina just needs to set her sights a little deeper behind the barrels. He got a little short at the third, as well and stepped off a bit leaving as a result. Trula- Worm just continues to get stickier. I just don't think attempting to hustle by is enough at this point. This is a great pair, very capable of clocking where they need to and leaving the barrels up. I sure hope she gets something worked out! Jane- I'm not sure if Jane just felt that Blackie needed the night off, or if she wanted to get this horse in the pen, but I think they are two such vastly different horses that switching back and forth on them might be quite the feat, as was proven tonight.

Totally on spot...the only thing I would add was the quickness in which Moven got away from the first barrel.  I thought she was much quicker across the pen to the 2nd, when I saw her bullet out of the first I knew she was going to be fast.
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