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| SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place.Â
I'll give you that.
But as Tx said, if you violated your values(as a voter) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally)
Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol | |
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| DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
It isn't that I'm so much against it as I am irritated with the way it came about and the promises made to get it to this point. Now those promises mean nothing. Typical American Politics.
My point is that people keep saying it's better than booze. That isn't true.
I just believe instead of making excuses and to WHY it's okay.... people need to have their eyes wide open and understand that there ARE repercussions whenever you are dealing with any form of a substance that can alter the mind.
Also, on the whole, people don't just do pot. Pot, on average, leads to other drugs. I don't know of one single person that has just done pot. Granted they might only experiment with other drugs and never get hooked on them... but bottemline is that pot use DOES lead to other abuse.
You can say that it's no one's business what you do. And that is true. But if everything was a free for all, then the crime rate would be through the roof due to that exact same mind set. "I want it so I'm just going to take it because I deserve it".
Face it, rules and regulations are a fact of life in order to save us from ourselves. Humans, as a whole, are a fairly irresponsible species. Ever seen meth abuse? How can you sit there, watching a loved one self destruct and honestly say "it's none of my business"? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
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| sodapop - 2014-01-02 6:07 PM How bad does Colorado smell now? That stuff stinks! Their kids probably smell like it too.....hair, clothes, backpacks.... You can tell when someone has even been near a cigarette smoker. If you touch something saturated in cigarette smoke like a backpack or coat, your hand will smell like an ashtray. Cigarette smoke doesn't stink as bad. So they must really stink.
I can tell you this. Some friends of mine had to forbid their children in trading food from sack lunches at school because of pot being put in brownies and what not.
I'm sorry, but I find this extremely sad that small kids can't even trade food with friends because you can't trust what's in it. | |
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| musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges.
I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not.
If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period.
Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene.
SKM:
I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago.
But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | SKM - 2014-01-02 6:14 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
My point is that people keep saying it's better than booze. That isn't true.
I just believe instead of making excuses and to WHY it's okay.... people need to have their eyes wide open and understand that there ARE repercussions whenever you are dealing with any form of a substance that can alter the mind.
Also, on the whole, people don't just do pot. Pot, on average, leads to other drugs. I don't know of one single person that has just done pot. Granted they might only experiment with other drugs and never get hooked on them... but bottemline is that pot use DOES lead to other abuse.
You can say that it's no one's business what you do. And that is true. But if everything was a free for all, then the crime rate would be through the roof due to that exact same mind set. "I want it so I'm just going to take it because I deserve it".
Face it, rules and regulations are a fact of life in order to save us from ourselves. Humans, as a whole, are a fairly irresponsible species. Ever seen meth abuse? How can you sit there, watching a loved one self destruct and honestly say "it's none of my business"?
Any kind of abuse is the business of a loved one...otherwise, until a crime has been commited (I mean one that harms, maims or kills another) people should be allowed to do whatever they think they're big enough to do...just be prepared to face the consequences! We need teeth in our laws!
My dad (who was a police officer and part time dog catcher for fun once upon a time) likened our laws to 'poodle laws'....the little old lady who'd gladly pay to get her beloved pet our of 'jail' was a much better prospect for revenue than the poor slob with a mean dog....
Rules & regs aren't in place to save us from ourselves...it's about revenue. The masses support more laws because WE don't want to get OUR hands dirty & we can use it as an excuse to not get involved....even with our loser loved ones. | |
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| I don't have to read studies on it to know it's a gateway drug. I've seen it first hand over more than a few generations and more people than I care to count.
Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.
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| SKM - 2014-01-02 7:27 PM
I don't have to read studies on it to know it's a gateway drug. I've seen it first hand over more than a few generations and more people than I care to count.
Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.Â
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No intention to fight with you so Good luck
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:21 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges. I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not. If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period. Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene. SKM: I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago. But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not. And as for my stance of "leave me alone" read 3 felonies a day | |
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Location: ND | Murphy - 2014-01-02 7:03 PM Kentucky is trying to bring back legal hemp, but I don't think it's going to fly.
we lose a huge amount of ag revenue each year to to our hemp ban and in no way could the production of hemp be confused with what it takes to grow good smoking weed........you'd have to have a telephone pole sized doobie to even find measurable thc quantities...drug war gone completely crazy.....
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Location: Kentucky | I don't think that everyone who smokes a joint every now and then is on a way to spiraling out of control. I've tried MJ before. And I've never tried any other drug, and I don't have any interest to do so. | |
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| musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:31 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:21 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges. I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not. If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period. Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene. SKM: I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago. But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not. And as for my stance of "leave me alone" read 3 felonies a day
I know what your talking about.
But like I said, if you have an addictive personality you will become addicted to something.
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Location: ND | thc is not an addictive chemical............which is completely different from alcohol and nicotine....both of which have far worse effects than thc.........
for the most part, with any substance, the personality is the problem....with on caveat.....methamphetamine........that is a one time, you are addicted kind of substance........and you will never get over it.....ever..... | |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | musikmaker - 2014-01-02 5:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges. | |
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Location: ND | only fools think that chemicals are benign.........even if they are natural.......herbal....whatever.........heavy long term thc use causes significant brain damage.......key, as with anything else, is amount of usage....... | |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I'm a little earlier than SKM. My teenage generation was of the 60's and 70's and I grew up in So Cal. I've kept in contact with alot of them over the years. Lots of them still look like stoners with big smiles and long hair but unlike SKM there are alot of very, very successful businessmen, and women along with pro athletes, race car drivers. I kind of wish I would have taken off with my best girlfriend on her self awareness tour after graduation and gone to Hawaii...she ended up owning a coffee plantation and small nightclub and is set. I do remember that during the 60's alot of the designer drugs like meth hadn't even been invented yet and rather than drink themselves silly and puke all over the place, they'd just smoke a joint and head to the nearest burger place and this was around the time they came up with McDonalds. I was around it but never inhaled :)
Alot of my male classmates headed on their senior trip to Vietnam and I've had more than one tell me the only way they made it through after being dropped from a helicopter into some rice paddy, was to stay stoned for most of their tour.
I think this Co deal is going to be a interesting experiment for the rest of the country as we're only 8 miles from the CO border and I heard on the radio this morning WY is tossing around the idea also.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | justcruzin - 2014-01-02 7:25 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 5:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges.
eta: Don't forget 'teachers'!Edited by musikmaker 2014-01-02 8:35 PM
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