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Location: Great NW | yes - have ridden competively at 120 and 160... it was so much easier for me when I was 120. My horses could make mistakes and still clock when I was lighter. when I got heavier our runs had to be picture perfect to clock. |
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Location: Michigan | I am 190, daughter is around 100. My mare is a big girl at 16.1 and pretty much runs the same pattern most runs. My daughter will usually outrun me by a couple 10th's. Watching videos in slomo it seems she gets off the barrel a little quicker with the lighter load.
I do not think 10 or 15 pounds will make a difference, but in our case the 90 does.
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Location: MO | RLB - 2014-01-03 10:31 AM I haven't read all of the replies, but here's my personal experience.
I am 5'8. Last year I was 140#. This year I am 160+# (happiness = food for me apparently).
My comfort & balance have fallen to ridiculous lows. And I feel like a fata$$ & look like one too.
I feel the same way with this extra 20# that I can't shake, even with a treadmill, weights and watching everything going into my mouth. :0( |
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| Next time you unload hay or feed .... try unloading 2 bales or 2 sacks at time and carry them into the barn ...... instead of just one at a time ....
This is the same situation your horse is feeling ..... overloaded ....
At your race tracks ... typical weights for jockeys for certain races is 118 lbs minimum and 126 maximum or the jockey is scratched out of the race .... some handicap races they will load the saddle pockets with weight and max out at 132 lbs to even up the best horses from the less talented horses ... ... yes ... rider weight makes a big difference!! |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | As far as heavy people being fit or strong, I've kept a BMI of around 30-32 for years. We put up square bales every year, 300-400 per cutting, usually 2-3 times a year, and I always toss. I keep up with fit young guys literally half my age and I work a desk job. What I would like to hear about is someone who has lost 20 or more pounds how much did it actually improve your time? We can speculate all day long as far as x pounds = x tenths off. But I'd like to know actual times. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No matter how you cut it....no matter how you rationalize.....all other things being equal, more weight is a disadvantage. You don't have to be overweight to be strong. If you think that having the strength of a middle linebacker to run competitively, than I think there's something wrong with your riding. Most of us are heavier than we like. I could stand to lose 20 lbs without sacrificing any strength. We've all seen some fatties make good runs, but they would be even better if they weighed less. It only stands to reason. No way in hell is my excess 20 lbs any kind of advantage. Fat does not equal strength. My extra 20 lbs is not muscle....it's fat. We can't all be 120 lb jockeys, but most of us would probably do better if we lost a lot of that excess fat. Until you are down close to your ideal healthy weight, you can't say you are being the best you can be. I hate to admit it, but it's the truth. If I want to be a better rider, besides working on my riding, I need to get off my fat ass and start moving more and stop eating like a glutton getting ready for a 10 day hunt. Lowering calorie intake doesn't have to be drastic. It can be sensible and eating can still be very enjoyable. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I agree that the weight can be a disadvantage. I think it makes a bigger impact on shorter horses than it does taller ones, just from personal observation. Two horses can weigh the same but it seems like the shorter ones will be easier impacted by where you put your weight. |
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Location: WI | Fairweather - 2014-01-03 1:53 PM As far as heavy people being fit or strong, I've kept a BMI of around 30-32 for years. We put up square bales every year, 300-400 per cutting, usually 2-3 times a year, and I always toss. I keep up with fit young guys literally half my age and I work a desk job. What I would like to hear about is someone who has lost 20 or more pounds how much did it actually improve your time? We can speculate all day long as far as x pounds = x tenths off. But I'd like to know actual times.
I take the challenge. I used to keep spreadsheets of all my results (my time, winning time, place, etc), got a new horse 2011 and stopped. Here they are:
2009 weight 150lbs
Average time off winner = 1.25 seconds
2010 weight: 120lbs
Average time off winner = 0.96 seconds
If that doesn't sway you, here are some times from the same arenas:
Arrowhead: 3/15/09 I ran 16.52, 3/28/10 I ran 15.969
Houcks: 9/13/09 I ran 17.632, 9/12/10 I ran 16.714 |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | linds - 2014-01-03 2:26 PM
Fairweather - 2014-01-03 1:53 PM As far as heavy people being fit or strong, I've kept a BMI of around 30-32 for years. We put up square bales every year, 300-400 per cutting, usually 2-3 times a year, and I always toss. I keep up with fit young guys literally half my age and I work a desk job. What I would like to hear about is someone who has lost 20 or more pounds how much did it actually improve your time? We can speculate all day long as far as x pounds = x tenths off. But I'd like to know actual times.
I take the challenge. I used to keep spreadsheets of all my results (my time, winning time, place, etc), got a new horse 2011 and stopped. Here they are:
2009 weight 150lbs
Average time off winner = 1.25 seconds
2010 weight: 120lbs
Average time off winner = 0.96 seconds
If that doesn't sway you, here are some times from the same arenas:
Arrowhead: 3/15/09 I ran 16.52, 3/28/10 I ran 15.969
Houcks: 9/13/09 I ran 17.632, 9/12/10 I ran 16.714
Thank you!!! Thats helpful and hard core proof! |
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Location: North Dakota | Fairweather - 2014-01-03 2:48 PM linds - 2014-01-03 2:26 PM Fairweather - 2014-01-03 1:53 PM As far as heavy people being fit or strong, I've kept a BMI of around 30-32 for years. We put up square bales every year, 300-400 per cutting, usually 2-3 times a year, and I always toss. I keep up with fit young guys literally half my age and I work a desk job. What I would like to hear about is someone who has lost 20 or more pounds how much did it actually improve your time? We can speculate all day long as far as x pounds = x tenths off. But I'd like to know actual times. I take the challenge. I used to keep spreadsheets of all my results (my time, winning time, place, etc), got a new horse 2011 and stopped. Here they are:
2009 weight 150lbs
Average time off winner = 1.25 seconds
2010 weight: 120lbs
Average time off winner = 0.96 seconds
If that doesn't sway you, here are some times from the same arenas:
Arrowhead: 3/15/09 I ran 16.52, 3/28/10 I ran 15.969
Houcks: 9/13/09 I ran 17.632, 9/12/10 I ran 16.714Thank you!!! Thats helpful and hard core proof!
I'm going to throw my hat in the ring here on this one-I do like the stats, gives a person motivation, BUT personnally I feel I learn and ride better with every passing year AND my horse gets better every year.......just food for thought. (this is assuming a lot of variables like horses age etc) |
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| Barrel Horse World news did write an article that said how much pounds equals 10ths, but I can't seem to find the issue. |
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Location: CA | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-03 11:56 AM
No matter how you cut it....no matter how you rationalize.....all other things being equal, more weight is a disadvantage. You don't have to be overweight to be strong. If you think that having the strength of a middle linebacker to run competitively, than I think there's something wrong with your riding. Most of us are heavier than we like. I could stand to lose 20 lbs without sacrificing any strength. We've all seen some fatties make good runs, but they would be even better if they weighed less. It only stands to reason. No way in hell is my excess 20 lbs any kind of advantage. Fat does not equal strength. My extra 20 lbs is not muscle....it's fat. We can't all be 120 lb jockeys, but most of us would probably do better if we lost a lot of that excess fat. Until you are down close to your ideal healthy weight, you can't say you are being the best you can be. I hate to admit it, but it's the truth. If I want to be a better rider, besides working on my riding, I need to get off my fat ass and start moving more and stop eating like a glutton getting ready for a 10 day hunt. Lowering calorie intake doesn't have to be drastic. It can be sensible and eating can still be very enjoyable.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | lindseylou2290 - 2014-01-03 10:48 AM The more in shape you are, the better you are at riding. period. Now, this can mean different "weights" for different people and horse combos. Think about how you ride when you are in shape ... up in position and keeping up with your horse in turns. You can "stay out of their way" better too. So, I don't think it is a matter of weight so much as rider fitness, horse fitness, and riding ability that will help you clock competitive times. You don't go out and expect to win a 1D when your horse is fat and out of shape, right? Well, same can be said for yourself. Don't expect to win checks and be competitive when you are out of shape too. IMHO.
This is what I was trying to say. I agree.
I had quit smoking and gained weight but was working out and I didn't have trouble riding or my horse clocking. I have lost weight and haven't been working out and right now I can't ride in a stagecoach with the doors closed. I'm starting back working out next week.
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| run n rate - 2014-01-03 10:23 AM
You mean like Sherry Cervi?????
Well there is no denying Sherry Cervi is a pro and an awesome barrel racer. I just mean generally that height could influence turns. Not that being tall is a bad thing or it could influence it a whole lot just some. I just mean it's like having a weighted pole and the whole thing is leaning wouldn't the horse have to adjust to that. I guess it combines with weight and would be hard to totally find if it influences the run. I just was looking for some brain picking haha. |
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| Saw my videos at 185 and was appalled. Felt, looked, and even fell off like a fat chick once. Back to 155 and I could wear my old measurements like a sack. Now in my videos I look like my mind tells me I do. It's hard to say directly about the times, because the horses have changed, but I know for a fact I couldn't have ridden the caliber that makes up my current string at 185. You better be on your game and be riding strong, because you're getting left if not. I do know I'm riding 1D/2D horses in Texas and asking for more all the time, and I feel sure I could do an even better job at 140. That's a goal in m y mind I'm working towards actually getting together. A measly 15 pounds and I could be a serious badass!!!!
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| Nevertooold - 2014-01-02 6:30 PM
There's a big difference in a race horse running and a barrel horse sprinting for under 17 seconds.
Yes there is. There is more of a chance of extra weight getting in a barrel horses way than a racehorse. Sharp turns and trying to accelerate as quickly as possible at three different points. So I guess I do not understand how it would have MORE of an effect on a racehorse rather than a barrel horse. Also many of the quarter horse races (younger horses go shorter distances) race for less than what would be a normal barrel pattern. |
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| Does weight matter? Sure it does. But you are comparing apples to oranges.
I know some women that might be a little chunky. But they can ride better than their 130 lb counter parts and they take less out of a horse.
I've also seen smaller girls with zero athletic ability be out run by heavier girls that were athletic.
Now when you get the ideal in the jockey, they are tough to get by.
Yes, being smaller can improve your times. That's obvious. But if you have natural ability and are atheltic, that can easily make up for a few extra pounds.
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| RoadToVegas - 2014-01-03 6:03 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-02 6:30 PM There's a big difference in a race horse running and a barrel horse sprinting for under 17 seconds.
Yes there is. There is more of a chance of extra weight getting in a barrel horses way than a racehorse. Sharp turns and trying to accelerate as quickly as possible at three different points. So I guess I do not understand how it would have MORE of an effect on a racehorse rather than a barrel horse. Also many of the quarter horse races (younger horses go shorter distances ) race for less than what would be a normal barrel pattern.
How many barrel patterns are a total of 250 yards? Pendelton and that's about it. The shortest QH's races are 250 yards with the average for a 2 year old being around 330-350 yards.
Very few barrel patterns are even close to that size. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | In April I was about 20 lbs over weight. I got bucked off in April and broke some bones. I'm having a hard time recooperating from that incident and put on an additional 15 lbs. I can't ride worth flip. It is compounded with the injuries to my back, but I have no balance right now. I need to get the weight off, but any work out sets off my injuries. I'm very frustrated right now. |
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| SKM - 2014-01-03 7:28 PM
Does weight matter? Sure it does. But you are comparing apples to oranges.
I know some women that might be a little chunky. But they can ride better than their 130 lb counter parts and they take less out of a horse.
I've also seen smaller girls with zero athletic ability be out run by heavier girls that were athletic.
Now when you get the ideal in the jockey, they are tough to get by.
Yes, being smaller can improve your times. That's obvious. But if you have natural ability and are atheltic, that can easily make up for a few extra pounds.
I definitely think you need athletic ability that is the key ingredient to a nice time. |
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