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| Term Limits. I think we the people are going to have to DEMAND term limits. The politicians are never going to. We have to send the lobbyists in Washington packing. The city is full of them that have taken up residency there just to be in the Capitol everyday, pushing through their agenda on the back of some proposed bill, in return for a campaign donation. These lobbyists are getting filthy rich. If we limit terms, we get a fresh pool to start with every 4 to 6 years and maybe not so easily bought as the lifers that are there now. AND, I'm sorry, but doing a job for a short length of time, even today, if they don't get re-elected should not grant you a lifetime pension. Do any of us get that in our jobs?? That is crazy, what a waste of money, but it's one of the reasons running for office is so appealing.
This country has got so many issues that we are quilty of sitting by and letting happen, it's time to stand up. And yes, even a little issue like Lady O's vacations, hey it's a place to start. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office. |
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2014-01-07 12:31 PM Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office.
I agree.. and if you notice.. it comes out later the benefits they are getting.. scum bags. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-01-07 10:31 AM Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office.
Yup!
It boggles my brain when people say that we need the fed because they give the states so much money! WHERE do they get the money??? Duh! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think what is most telling is how everyone in the media talks about how congress has such a low approval rating, like around 15%.....and yet over 90% of incumbents are just re-elected. Everyone thinks congress is so rotten....except for their congressman/woman! It just goes to show how we are being played like a cheap fiddle. This is just one reason why I am in favor of term limits. I'd like to see service in congress to be just that.....service, not a lifelong career. The trappings/"benefits" are just too addicting. I bet if there was a way of having a referrendum on term limits, it would pass by a mile. |
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| Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it.
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| No, it isn't odd at all. There's sooo much wrong with this government the discussion could cover many different topics in the same vein.
But on the subject of just not re-electing the people in Washington, that would be easy enough if just half of the population cared enough to educate themselves on politics. The trouble is, people who are not keeping up with things, tend to vote for name recognition. That's all. They couldn't tell you one thing that person did in his last term, what he stands for , or pick him out in a line up. Therefore, we have to make term limits the rule. I've often said tongue in cheek that voters, like jurors, should have to pass some sort of competency test to have your life or your future put in their hands. Kinda scary. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | We could fix this mess so easy! Simply remove ALL party affiliation from the ballot! No R, D, red, blue, donkey, elephant...NO straight party ticket.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM
jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it.
....and that's a good thing!
Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds. |
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Location: Never in one place long | loveyatx - 2014-01-06 7:01 AM
Went out and did a little research. It seems that his employer, us, pays for his and her extended vacations. Does not cost them a dime. My employer has never sent me on an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii, has yours? He is not concerned about the national debt, he has said that. I'm not too worried about it either because it will never be lowered to any degree in my lifetime, but my children and grandchildren will pay the price. So for that I am concerned. The only way to stop this dictatorship is too vote to give the GOP control of the Senate in November. Please people, wake up!
You really think the GOP is going to fix things??? back and forth it goes and nothing ever changes, deeper into debt we go... dont' you get it? No one whom is "allowed" to be "voted" into office will change anything... they are put there for a reason... to accomlish the big shots agenda.... that's why Ron Paul or anyone else who could and would want to....will never make it in.... corruption!!!! |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-01-06 11:45 AM CJE - 2014-01-07 10:36 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 11:24 AM Here's another way of looking at this. We all have certain limits when it comes to discussing or debating a given topic in the course of a given day. Let's say I have an hour of free time where I can come on here or some social media site and get engaged with others over a particular issue. Let's say we have three ongoing threads, each discussing a particular issue. One is federal tax reform, the next is term limits, and the third is the obscene luxurious trips taken by the Obamas at taxpayer expense. Personally, I would prefer term limits and/or tax reform over Obama vacations. Why? Simple.....because there is nothing to discuss! Everyone agrees on matters such at this where there is lavish spending at taxpayer's expense. What's there to debate? There's plenty to discuss about tax reform and term limits. All I have to say about Michele's "birthday present" at taxpayer expense is "hmpfffff!!!" I won't take the bait. Once again we as a nation need to hold all of "them" accountable and that is something that has not been done..........and something we can start in 2014..........maybe a little post like this will get someone less involved in the political process interested in making a difference....
It is an $800,000.00 birthday gift from us...........
But to criticize for someone posting......I disagree.........someone may not be as news worthy as the rest and leaned something is my point........
Term limits.........it would take more than hell freezing over............for that to happen.......but we got close last night!
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jbhoot - 2014-01-06 2:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
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Location: Never in one place long | RidenFly - 2014-01-07 8:28 AM
Through out our history there have been adminitstrations that took liberty with vacations and personal expenses. Wouldn't it be refreshing to get someone in there who views the presidency not as a "privledge" but rather a "Duty."Â
 George Washington did not want to serve, later it was written that the best person to hold office is the reluctant person. The person who finds themselves there because it was the will of the people. You have to wonder about how hard and how long some of these men/women have held onto Senate/House seats.  It will make a ordinary person into an instant millionaire. Â
We need serious term limit/reforms but it won't happen. Not in our lifetime. Â
Agree Agree Agree!! You are so right, Washington was a relucant person... we need more of them.. it should be considered a SERIOUS choice and duty. So sick of the LIES! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2014-01-07 1:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
If you go back and read through my posts I think you will understand what I was saying all along. If topics like Michelle's trip or how much they spend on their dog leads to discussions that are much more important, then I'm all for it. On the other hand, if we are trying to get more apathetic people to actually THINK about what's going on, focusing only on things like this, in and of itself, won't accomplish that, in my opinion. There's only so many ways you can say they are aloof or tacky. If we just incessantly do this and devote our time and energy to these diversions, then we will suck the oxygen out of the room and nothing will be left to devote to big, critical matters. We're on the same team, so I don't see how this seems to be an issue. Reagan attracted so-called "Reagan Democrats" because of his ideas, more than because Jimmy Carter seemed to bungle everything he touched. Time and again it is said that the real way to win elections is to be FOR something in addition to AGAINST something.
Here's what it boils down to, as far as I'm concerned. We might be able to make some headway by pointing out all the bad leadership in the White House, and pointing out how his agenda is failing, but unless we can promote specific alternatives to the status quo that makes good sense, we really can't garner support or momentum. Most people already agree that Obama has been a poor President and most people can plainly see the debacles and scandals. The way you capitalize on those opportunities is not by pointing out the obvious, rather, it's done by promoting alternative policies and an agenda that makes good sense. Take a look at ObamaCare, for example. The progressives are harping that there was never a Republican/conservative alternative proposal to fix our healthcare system. Well, as most of us know, there was! It's just that the alternatives were not advanced as aggressively as they should have been. The ObamaCare debacle is self-evident. It's taken on a life of it's own and is self-destructing. Now is the time for so-called conservative leaders to get out in front and begin to promote something better. Heck we've done that here on BHW for a long time, so why can't the Republicans? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:33 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 1:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
Here's what it boils down to, as far as I'm concerned. We might be able to make some headway by pointing out all the bad leadership in the White House, and pointing out how his agenda is failing, but unless we can promote specific alternatives to the status quo that makes good sense, we really can't garner support or momentum. Most people already agree that Obama has been a poor President and most people can plainly see the debacles and scandals. The way you capitalize on those opportunities is not by pointing out the obvious, rather, it's done by promoting alternative policies and an agenda that makes good sense. Take a look at ObamaCare, for example. The progressives are harping that there was never a Republican/conservative alternative proposal to fix our healthcare system. Well, as most of us know, there was! It's just that the alternatives were not advanced as aggressively as they should have been. The ObamaCare debacle is self-evident. It's taken on a life of it's own and is self-destructing. Now is the time for so-called conservative leaders to get out in front and begin to promote something better. Heck we've done that here on BHW for a long time, so why can't the Republicans?
The biggest, most critical issues we face today are $$ issues. Waste. No, this isn't new, it started 100 years ago with the implication of the income tax...when do we finally cut off the supply? Only WE can do it. The tax payer. I don't care what others think they're owed...if you don't have it you don't have it. This is OUR money they vacation on! It's OUR money they give to other countrys...etc...we're paying for our own demise! |
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Location: Kansas | ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2014-01-07 3:31 PM ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more.
It's not so much that I am trivializing that kind of money. It's a matter of relative importance. Which is more important to this country? It's ALL important.....but this has far less impact than just about everything else we have discussed about when it comes to this bunch. Should we move on to Obama's golfing too much? That is a matter of grave national importance, isn't it? That costs taxpayers plenty of money as well, doesn't it? Obama has stuck his thumb in the voter's eye for 5 years. He was re-elected. WTH. We've all been b!tching about these things for 5 years......did it get us anywhere? I say we try to focus on things that really resonate with people. Look at ObamaCare, for instance. Now THAT has resonated, because that has been felt by most people up close and personal. In spite of all that has been pointed out about this bunch prior to the 2012 election, Obama picked up what? 2/3rds of the voters in the 19-29 age group? Along comes ObamaCare and all of a sudden it's personal sacrifice that is asked of young healthy people and the consequence of that has been a huge shift, to the extent that his approval numbers are well below 50% among that group.
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Location: Kansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 4:09 PM Frodo - 2014-01-07 3:31 PM ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more. It's not so much that I am trivializing that kind of money. It's a matter of relative importance. Which is more important to this country? It's ALL important.....but this has far less impact than just about everything else we have discussed about when it comes to this bunch. Should we move on to Obama's golfing too much? That is a matter of grave national importance, isn't it? That costs taxpayers plenty of money as well, doesn't it? Obama has stuck his thumb in the voter's eye for 5 years. He was re-elected. WTH. We've all been b!tching about these things for 5 years......did it get us anywhere? I say we try to focus on things that really resonate with people. Look at ObamaCare, for instance. Now THAT has resonated, because that has been felt by most people up close and personal. In spite of all that has been pointed out about this bunch prior to the 2012 election, Obama picked up what? 2/3rds of the voters in the 19-29 age group? Along comes ObamaCare and all of a sudden it's personal sacrifice that is asked of young healthy people and the consequence of that has been a huge shift, to the extent that his approval numbers are well below 50% among that group.
In case nobody noticed, he has announced his new focus for 2014. Anyone care to comment on that?
I totally understand where you're coming from. I guess I put equal importance on the large and small disgressions this pathetic excuse for a president piles on. Krauthammer sees Obamacare as Obama's undoing.....no way out. It will get interesting. |
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