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Location: Texas! | Just found this article interviewing KC Jones about the new association.
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 11:27 AM trickster j - 2014-01-07 7:25 AM phoenix - 2014-01-07 1:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO........... That was my first thought too- I appreciate that they want to "preserve" the heritage of the sport, but truthfully, rodeo didn't get it's beginnings with million dollar cowboys hauling up and down the road and entering rodeos for a living. I just hope the majority of PRCA members who may not ever make the NFR will have a say in what goes on as well- unless this new organization is one for just the elite. I agree with some others- this is all to vaugue to form any opinions on right now, but it's hard not to worry.
eta: on another note, I do have to say that I just hate how the NFR contestants are treated as employees when they finally do get to the NFR. What other top level athlete in any top-level sport has to be up early to practice, then off to autograph signings and special appearances all day, then rush back to get ready to compete, compete at the largest venue in the sport, then stay up late, take care of thier horse, get a little bit of rest, then back at it first thing in the morning for 10 days in a row? How can they possibly be at their best?? Would anyone expect Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods to keep that schedule during thier most important Finals of the year? I know it's not all the PRCA that makes these demands on them, it's the sponsors an host hotels as well, but I just hate to see them all treated like carnies and entertainment every waking hour during the NFR. That's just not right, imo. They do need better treatment in some regards-
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It will be interesting to see where this goes. I wonder if all this will have any influence on the Ram National Circuit Finals in April. I also heard Carolyn Vietor on Flint's Western Sports Roundup show the other day that the WPRA and PRCA were separate organizations right now, but that may change in the future. (paraphrasing) I got the impression something was in the works from her statement, maybe not. I hope the contestants have figured out how to recreate PROCOM, because that has some infrastructure to it and I would say took years to develop. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Could any of this be due or in part to the format the RFDTV American is doing ? |
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Location: nj | I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals. |
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Location: Texas! | threeponies - 2014-01-08 4:56 AM I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
This my was SO's opinion as well. He was like "great paves way for new people to make the finals." |
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Location: The edge of no where | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
I think they will go after the rodeo committes and get them to go with the new organization, not the PRCA.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer.   So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control, and working with LVE. The PRCA did what they asked.Â
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that.Â
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Location: San Antonio, TX | so when is this new assoc going to start...
Did anyone on the list enter Odessa or Denver??? |
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| I'm wondering the same thing! Does this mean all those in favor of defecting, will not be entering any PRCA rodeos?
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| kle12 - 2014-01-08 8:51 AM so when is this new assoc going to start...
Did anyone on the list enter Odessa or Denver??? A majority of the team ropers on the list were at Super Tuesday in Odessa last night so I can only guess they are roping in slack this morning. Very awkward to me to stand up against the association and then still go enter, but I guess technically they would have been entered before all this came out in the press.
ETA: Fallon and Christy are on the list and both ran in slack on Monday....
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Location: The edge of no where | Great Article -
Kusek column: Could PRCA be in trouble?
That explosion you heard on Monday?
That was a nuclear bomb being dropped on the office of the Professional Cowboys Rodeo Association in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Already reeling from the backlash from possibly moving the National Finals Rodeo from Las Vegas to central Florida, the PRCA is facing potentially a bigger problem.
No big-name contestants for the NFR, wherever it may land for 2015.
Wanting more of a say in the sport’s future, some of rodeo’s biggest stars announced on a Facebook site called “Support Rodeo Contestants,” that they were creating another organization.
The supporters included world champions from every event, including members of the Women’s Professional Rodeo Association.
According to the post, some of rodeo’s top contestants wanted some changes to the PRCA structure in exchange for the commitment of the cowboys to provide greater support to PRCA-sanctioned rodeos.
This has become a big issue as events like RodeoHouston and Calgary Stampede are high-paying stand-alone rodeos and are not governed by PRCA rules. Other rodeos are looking to follow.
“We went to the PRCA with a proposal supported by the top cowboys that would have strengthened the PRCA,” said 19-time world champion Trevor Brazile on the Facebook post. “Unfortunately, our proposal was not accepted.
“We appreciate what the PRCA has done for the sport in the past, but at this point we feel the time has come for the top contestants to be more directly involved with the future of our sport.”
Then the greatest cowboy of his generation dropped the big one.
“We are forming a new organization to work together with committees and sponsors to make sure that the sport of professional rodeo continues to deliver the highest quality product to our great fans,” said Brazile.
Rodeo fans have heard this talk before.
Just a few years ago, there were rumors of a new organization that would revolutionize sport. It never materialized.
This idea, however, has some traction.
Because not only does the list of other contestants supporting this move read like a “Who’s who,” of professional rodeo but it has the support of those who can help make it a reality.
Las Vegas officials want a rodeo finals in December. If it continues to be the NFR, great.
But if not the NFR, Las Vegas will still have an event showcasing the top cowboys and cowgirls.
Watch for the non-sanctioned rodeos to band together and create a finals from its top competitors list.
And you can bet a potential television deal is already being discussed.
This past December, RFD-TV offered the PRCA $1 million for the television rights to its premier event.
The PRCA declined, opting to pay CBS Sports Network to broadcast the NFR
I’m still trying to figure out that math.
RFD-TV has said it wants to expand its rodeo coverage. It already has created The American, a $1 million rodeo to be held this March in Arlington, Texas. With a loyal viewership, RFD-TV would be the perfect place to land for a new rodeo organization.
Cowboys and cowgirls want to compete for more money. If you offer more money, they will rope, ride and race in your building. It’s that simple.
Sponsors will follow the competitors.
The fans, we might have to make a choice.
Do we pick the team or the player?
It won’t be a difficult decision.
Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/sports/rodeo/kusek-column-could-prca-be-...
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Location: The edge of no where | This is also interesting.
From FB page 'Support the Professional Cowboys of the PRCA' - The page is worth checking out.
The PRCA is comprised of INDIVIDUAL athletes, stock contractors, contract personnel, et al. We do not belong to a TEAM nor our are salaries PAID by a single owner or entity. We compete against each other and it is a win or loose. No guarantees and NO cushy retirements. It costs you money to go down the road and there is no guarantee that those expenses are going to be paid. Other then Golf, Tennis, Bowling ( and a few others) what other professional sport is comprised of such hard working individuals. Yes, clubs, balls, rackets are expensive… but it is not like you have to feed, water, shelter, etc., them as well.
Yes the contestants have their view and concerns, as does the stock contractors, contract personnel, and committees. However we all have one goal….. to have a professional sport that provides a living for some, entertainment to the fans and advertisement to the sponsors.
It seems that the tides have turned. We as individuals DUE paying members have lost our say despite being the “owners” of our own organization. Unfortunately, we generally do not voice our opinions or do we take the time to vote until it is way too late. Shame on us., however, we pay the salaries of the individuals in our headquarter, that are making decisions without the input of the members.
My concern is that our organization is being dictated by a few. Were the members informed of the situation with Las Vegas Event? Are we being informed by the PRCA office of any negotiations, etc.? Are our Board of Directors getting the full story and if so, why am I not hearing from my representative? What we are hearing is basically HERESAY from news papers and social media.
My final concern…. Why is one sponsor dictating what TV deals are being made on behalf of our origination? There are MANY other companies that have TRIED to become major sponsors and supporters of the PRCA only to be turned down and/or so limited and restricted, that it is not worth their efforts! What RFD and GAC did for the National Finals Rodeo……was phenomenal!!!!
The TURTLES that are fortunately still with us are shaking their fingers at us members and those that have past…. are turning over in their graves.
YES we LOVE our sport and this lifestyle because of the "family" we belong too.....
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Location: Texas!! | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM
What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer.   So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.Â
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that.Â
In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
ETA: NM I just saw your answer. Thanks!
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Location: lost in missouri | Beings that the organization is in the infant stages these cowboys and cowgirls still have to enter PRCA rodeos this year and I am sure will still be in Vegas this December. I dont see any major changes before summer taking place and they just like us dont know how soon a new organization will get the ball rolling so to pay their bills they have to rodeo and if they want a shot at the $$ in Vegas they gotta be out on the rode. I think that if they are trying to work with Vegas on their new organization I dont think they would want to be no shows for the NFR in Vegas this year. |
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Location: That part of Texas | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 10:10 AM rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
I think it's more of a thing where the PRCA were already going to vote the LVE offer down and it just so happened that they had the support of most of the members. It's easy to claim you were listening to your members when you were planning on doing that anyway.
Now I think that most of the members who were saying that the PRCA was supporting them are realizing that it's not the case and they don't have as much say as they thought. That's why they are asking for two more positions and they are meeting opposition -- the PRCA doesn't really want them to have the power to change those big decisions already being put in place. |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM
I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Â Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. Â It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. Â As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.Â
This is a side note- My rookie year was the year of the PWBR and I LOVED it. The PRCA made a huge profit off the barrels with much smaller sponsorship input (I heard a million dollar profit), it was more organized and actually paid more at each rodeo (didn't have the WPRA chunk coming out of each fee). WPRA should be making a big profit each year and should be able to do much more for the contestants than it does. When it went back to WPRA I got knocked out of three rodeos for "not" paying fees that I had to the secretary, then later in the year got knocked out of a few for trying to pay fees that I owed through the office but they showed I didn't until they updated three weeks late and 10 minutes before books closed. I ended up throwing a wild eyed fit at the second batch and told them to put me last in slack- they did and I somehow ended up 30 from the end. Apparently it happened to quite a few girls. |
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