justcruzin - 2014-01-24 7:55 AM  Other side of the coin, what if one of those terminated pregnancies would have been another Dahmer, Hitler, Bundy? Or worse?

classicpotatochip - 2014-01-22 7:00 PM

After trying a horse at the Still Creek Ranch facility, I became a bi-yearly contributor to their equine program. I saw the oodles and oodles of little kids that didn't have anywhere to go. A good many of them had some sort of health problem, usually because of mothers that used drugs during pregnancy. Even though it hurts my heart, I just don't think that abortion should be outlawed. We put our animals down when their "quality of life" because of pain or mental suffering becomes what we deem "too much'. Why should doing the same for our fellow man that cannot think for themselves that we bear a direct responsibility for be any different?

In a perfect world, all healthy babies would be born, loved, kept, adopted, fed well, treated well, cherished, educated, and given the down payment on their first home. In a perfect world, women wouldn't be irresponsible, men wouldn't be idiots, and every baby would be welcomed into this world.

It is not a perfect world. Horrible things happen. If we illegalize abortion, women will be using (and dying horrible deaths) using coat hangers, lutalyse, and a good many other horrible ideas. Abortion dates back thousands of years, WAY before Christianity. I'm sorry, I'm not willing to trade my sisters, aunts, mothers, and friends because they don't want to be pregnant. An abortion is between a woman and herself. It's not between a woman and the media. It's not between a woman and President Obama. It's not between a woman and you. It's not between a woman and me. I think it's an absolute shame that something so incredibly private and shattering is even publicized by someone as loud and crude as a politician. That is the true shame.

Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-23 8:57 AM Seriously?  This line of thinking both made me laugh and cry.  Laugh because it is so off the wall to try and justify a decision like this by saying the child might grow up to be a monster, therefore OK to end its life.  Cry, because there are people stupid enough to buy into this argument.  

justcruzin - 2014-01-24 10:22 AM  You missed it, but thats ok.

Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-23 9:36 AM Oh, here we go with one of your typical "You are so stupid you missed it." arguments.  Truth is, your statement was so bazaar that not even the leftist of the left would dare use this argument to support abortion.   I didn't miss a thing.  If you want to try and downplay what you said, or retract it, do so.  It seriously was one of the dumbest comments I have read in a long time, I can understand why you woulld want to.

lonely va barrelxr - 2014-01-23 12:00 PM

Alrighty Dr. Scott.  You just had to bring up the one and only policital issue I ever comment on.  Bad Scott.

But for today I'm going to respond in a different way and try to back the issue up and think about it from there.  

Personal choice and responsibility?  But then again, I didn't have a choice in any step of my situation other than maybe never being around HS rodeo, or horses.  Religion?  But the country was built on religious freedom and one choice is to not be religious so not sure on that one.  When life begins?  It's all live tissue from before the act that creates a zygote.  Government/political interference?  Roe v Wade was huge.  The policial involvement started years and years before the final hearing and decision.  For as long as religions have a voice in politics abortion will be among the top choices in gubmt food fights.   

There is no one right answer for this issue.  There can be wrong answers for individuals.  This is not the only issue with the same dilemma.  And the government already has too much say in many personal choice issues. 

I believe so strongly in the right to choose.  Not just with this issue but with everything.  I'm one who thinks a good answer to so many of todays problems is to remove the warning stickers!! 

Government interference is NEVER the right answer for any problem no matter how big or small. 

HotbearLVR - 2014-01-23 12:21 PM


Actually, Lorie, I know your story and I don't fault you for any decisions you made at all. I have always said abortion is one issue that can't be legislated.
It is a very emotionally charged issue because of the strong feelings on both sides. I think that is precisely why it needs to be talked about. I don't think it's helpful to avoid difficult issues. Think it is discussions like this that make abortion less common.....and that without a government mandate or sweeping legislation. The trends we are seeing today is proof to me.

lonely va barrelxr - 2014-01-23 12:35 PM That's why I wanted to put some less emotionally charged thoughts down today. I know there are a lot of very important issues in the world, but this might be the one, and certain is one, with NO good answer. ALL life should be special and important. Not just humans either. ALL LIFE. But we are such an aggressive and violent and greedy species. We might be the biggest flub in the food chain ever. Then again, we have art, and music, and the ability to wonder 'why.' Things to ponder.

HotbearLVR - 2014-01-23 12:55 PM In my opinion there is a good answer:  To keep government out of it.....to inform.....to get abortion numbers down as low as possible...to make PRO abortionists more and more irrelevant as a consequence of the informed, FREE WILL of the people.  It should remain a legal safe option, albeit rare.

 

barrelracr131 - 2014-01-23 8:16 AM It's pretty easy for me to say that I would not have one from the shelter of a happy marriage and an established, stable career.



I don't judge people who make that choice. We all have our own paths to walk in this life. If anything, someone in that situation needs compassion, not judgement.



I will say that making abortions illegal is not the way to go, IMO. I'm more on the libertarian end of the political spectrum... the government has no place in such an issue. I think it is pathetic to see politicians on both sides squabble over this issue time and time again solely for political gain. An issue like this is extremely personal and is usually not black and white... life is not usually that way... life is shades of gray, my friends.

 

justcruzin - 2014-01-24 10:44 AM  Wow, what's is your problem?

Here let me break it down for you. It was a question, simple as that. When someone mentioned a savoir (so to speak) could have been aborted, I simply asked that the coin be flipped. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Is it because you are always on the attack? Like to read things into it, I don't know.[/quote]

Its not hard to understand, its just an incredibly dumb argument.  You cannot flip this coin.  If you were to use that logic, no one should be born, we would have to kill off mankind because their may be a serial killer or rapist born. On the other hand, if we let them live we may find out whether or not a "savior" is among them.

I am just so sick of these stupid arguments, all designed at trying to justify the act of abortion. The left would like people to think it is no big deal, they try to convince young women that it is "their right". If it were the right thing to do, they wouldn't have to work so hard at trying to convince everyone. And the argument of "When does life become life?" If life doesn't begin at conception, then why don't we just leave it the heck alone. Its not life, after all, so why do we need to suck it out of the mother and get rid of it?

My daughter is expecting her second child in May. She went to get an ultra sound a couple of weeks ago. In the photos, you can see the little hands, feet, facial features. They know that it is going to be a boy. Just a couple of weeks prior, I suppose she could have had the option of having it expelled from her body (she wouldn't do that in a million years). Then she could have told herself that it wasn't really a life. You know what? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG LIE. She has a wonderful new life growing inside her and whether he grows up to be known on the world stage, or a farmer/rancher like his daddy, he will be blessed gift from God.

Edited by Hollywood's Fan 2014-01-23 2:07 PM

HotbearLVR - 2014-01-23 9:40 AM This is the typical counter point used by pro-abortionists. I'm not talking about the "pro choice" people......I'm talking pro-death/pro-abortionists. It's really twisted logic, when you get down to it. Pro life people would look at 100 babies who aren't aborted and say they have freedom to become whatever they want....to pursue dreams, to succeed, and to fail. Pro-abortionists would look at it more like eugenics.....to snuff out those lives would potentially protect society from evil. Think it's fair to say that in this country, most people to on to lead a fulfilling life in one form or another.

Dr. J - 2014-01-23 1:55 PM


 How is it twisted logic??? It is the same  to say an aborted baby could have become a future world leader as it is to say they could have become a serial killer. Both points are purely speculation because there is no formula to plug a child into and predict what they will do with their lives.


Both sides of this argument are using the same logic to make their points.

 

HotbearLVR - 2014-01-23 2:37 PM It's obvious to me that you haven't read the entire thread. Go back and read the thread and then you can throw out a remark about a statement taken out of context. I am not using the same logic as the pro-abortionists at all, I beg to differ. I believe the reason for declining abortions and increased abortion clinics is precisely because logic is beginning to prevail and the pro abortionists are losing. That's a good thing....wouldn't you agree DrJ?