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Location: Where I am happiest | I am very worried about all aspects of this. As posted earlier, all indications are of a very bumpy ride in front of us from alot of different factors.
The quandry I have whether to go ahead and breed this mare is.............if she was 9, 10, 14, I would hold off 100% and not even entertain the idea. I wouldnt even be thinking of breeding her at this juncture. This mare is 22, AAA and AAA producer. This in all probability would be our one and only last chance to get a foal from her and we are breeding for ourselves. She is booked to a very sought after sire and has her vet appt. for her repro exam set for this sat. We were really excited about this foal, but I am so very very leary right now. I am scared of feed prices and availability with the drought. Our cost of living rising drastically as well. Along with the economy totally tanking. What good is a great prospect if you have nowhere to go with it because the economy is in the tank or cant afford to feed, train, and haul it and no market to sell it? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | What a mess, huh? I'm trying to live life to the fullest & going forward as if it's all going to be fine...keeping in mind that it could all tank. If it really does then you might be glad you have 4 legged transportation! Other people buying hay won't be a problem if horses become a food source...we can't live in fear or deny living because something 'might' happen...imo.
Heck...I'm just hoping the lake doesn't dry up since we bought a houseboat last year! Lmbo...I guess it'll be a great 'dry docked' cabin at the bottom of an awesome big ditch if it does! Just sayin'...don't listen to my advice cuz I'm crazy. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | musikmaker - 2014-02-18 4:40 PM What a mess, huh? I'm trying to live life to the fullest & going forward as if it's all going to be fine...keeping in mind that it could all tank. If it really does then you might be glad you have 4 legged transportation! Other people buying hay won't be a problem if horses become a food source...we can't live in fear or deny living because something 'might' happen...imo.
Heck...I'm just hoping the lake doesn't dry up since we bought a houseboat last year! Lmbo...I guess it'll be a great 'dry docked' cabin at the bottom of an awesome big ditch if it does! Just sayin'...don't listen to my advice cuz I'm crazy.
LOL. You sound like my husband. He keeps talking about horses becoming transportation again.
We have been working very hard paying everything off to be debt free. After next month the only payments we will have left is our house which we just refinanced and it will be paid off in 12 years.He has tossed very seriously building another barn to board some horses. The way things are going I am not so sure thats a viable semi retirement plan for him either now. I am from Klamath Falls and would absolutelly LOVE to move back there but I dont see that happening. My husband is afraid of the liberal run state govt. there and the water problems with the indians and now the drought. Ranches will be selling for pennies on the dollar there but with no irrigation they will be useless.Obama will be giving the ranches and farms to China for the national debt we now owe them. Maybe thats the grand scheme.
Maybe I worry to much. lol
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 4:00 PM musikmaker - 2014-02-18 4:40 PM What a mess, huh? I'm trying to live life to the fullest & going forward as if it's all going to be fine...keeping in mind that it could all tank. If it really does then you might be glad you have 4 legged transportation! Other people buying hay won't be a problem if horses become a food source...we can't live in fear or deny living because something 'might' happen...imo.
Heck...I'm just hoping the lake doesn't dry up since we bought a houseboat last year! Lmbo...I guess it'll be a great 'dry docked' cabin at the bottom of an awesome big ditch if it does! Just sayin'...don't listen to my advice cuz I'm crazy. LOL. You sound like my husband. He keeps talking about horses becoming transportation again.
We have been working very hard paying everything off to be debt free. After next month the only payments we will have left is our house which we just refinanced and it will be paid off in 12 years.He has tossed very seriously building another barn to board some horses. The way things are going I am not so sure thats a viable semi retirement plan for him either now. I am from Klamath Falls and would absolutelly LOVE to move back there but I dont see that happening. My husband is afraid of the liberal run state govt. there and the water problems with the indians and now the drought. Ranches will be selling for pennies on the dollar there but with no irrigation they will be useless.Obama will be giving the ranches and farms to China for the national debt we now owe them. Maybe thats the grand scheme.
Maybe I worry to much. lol
I don't mean to sound flippant about any of this...nobody in their right mind can still be thinking that this can continue, we're taxed to death and the working class is supporting it all...it can't last. And as much as I love my tin hat I don't think there's a conspiracy so much as I think it's just natural for greedy, selfish people to find each other...kinda like druggies! Have you ever noticed that? Ha.
They won't win cuz they have no life skills, they'll perish without the rest of us to feed them, to provide all the goods, the ingenuity. Of course, the scary part is that desperate people do desperate things...so stay vigilant!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Yep, just what California needs a Bullet Train instead of some infrastructure like dams and resevoirs to try to store water if and when we do get rain...nope, don't need that because we are just gonna pour it back in to the Pacific Ocean. And what, increase the minimum wage in Oakland is it to $12 something an hour? Who's gonna hire more people in a small business at that wage? Which means higher unemployment. Its like looking at 12 lbs of sh*t in a 10lb bucket frankly.... |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hey, but I can quit my job and become a painter or a poet and you employed suckers can pay for my healthcare for me...can I chase the rodeo trail and get you to pay my travel expenses too????
and I stand corrected, I just checked it was minimum wage increase they want is only to $10.10 and hour in Oakland...phew, thought for a minute jobs might be lost 
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | run n rate - 2014-02-18 4:11 PM Hey, but I can quit my job and become a painter or a poet and you employed suckers can pay for my healthcare for me...can I chase the rodeo trail and get you to pay my travel expenses too???? and I stand corrected, I just checked it was minimum wage increase they want is only to $10.10 and hour in Oakland...phew, thought for a minute jobs might be lost
As for the water situation, lawns and golf courses are still being watered and its running into the streets. It's a cryin shame. Just left CA this am. There is not enough water to handle the population, somethings got to give.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would breed everything I have. Heaven knows we may be eating what we sow for our own survival. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would breed everything I have. Heaven knows we may be eating what we sow for our own survival. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | I'll wish I could take a hair dryer to the tons and tons of snow that keeps piling up in the East to send out West. I worry that our spring is going to be TOO wet and we'll have problems with our hay. The extremes have arrived and they have come forcefully… Hoping an equilibrium is established soon! |
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Location: NW | Netflix has a movie called "Last Call at the Oasis" Erin Brockovich did it... very good about the water crisis in America. It is a very eye opening documentary |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | My worry is there will be a hay shortage and prices will be driven even higher by hay farmers selling their hay overseas instead of locally. That is already happening to some extent. |
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Location: Kansas | I was just watching the crawl on Good Morning America. Gasoline went up, milk up as much as 60 cents a gallon in the near future. Don't even want to talk about propane and natural gas (but then Obama promised us that, didn't he).
....and my stupid DirectTV bill just went from $107 a month to $128. I will be calling them. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SwishMiss - 2014-02-19 8:36 AM Ok.. this thread is making me want to sell all my horses but ONE.
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Location: ND | DLV - 2014-02-18 11:43 AM It should be no surprise that the West is having water problems.... we have built up HUGE populations in areas that cannot sustain them in the long run, the truth is there is not enough water and we are running things dry.... Cadillac Desert is a great book to read explaining these issues. The populations cannot and will not be sustained in these areas that were meant to be DESERTS and yet we have turned them into lush areas using the water at alarming rates.... in addition damaging ecosystems. 1,000's of acres of water intensive crops are planted in areas that they NEVER should have been with the amount of rainfall in the area.
I am not surprised about this at all and I do believe the economy is going to get much worse. That is the reason I have decided to only have two horses, pay off all debt as quickly as possible and start saving... it's a smart thing to do in any time but especially uncertain times and they are coming... maybe not now or in the next year but sooner then we think...you are smart to question breeding your horse in my opinion.....
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Well, it's definatelly a time to get prepared for a very bumpy ride. I sure dont think it's a time to be making any big frivalous purchases thats for sure. Necessaties only and scale back the monthly payments. The cost of living is climbing and it is going to drastically spike. Heating bills, water bills, electricity, food and fuel are all going to go up and go up ALOT.So if your struggling now to make ends meet, I'd sure change that in very short order.Stay home from a couple races and pay off that debt thats nickel and diming every month. We pulled all but a small amount out of the stock market a long time ago and if you have money there, I'd sure look long and hard at moving it out of the stock market because all indications are it is going to crash and sooner rather then later. Unemployment is also going to rise drastically. From anything ag. related due to drought, to entry level jobs due to the higher minimum wage, to higher end jobs due to Obamacare.
This spring we are putting up a new hay barn. It's been in the planning for 3 years now but our focus has been on getting debt free. So we have paid the trucks off, paid the tractor off, paid the credit card off and refinanced the house. Didnt take any equity out at all, we shortened the loan and it will be paid off in 12 years now without raising the payment. I think we are in pretty good shape and we are going to become hay hoarders. LOL. Part of that new hay barn was supposed to also be equipment and trailer parking. Not now. We are going to fill that sucker up entirely with hay and keep collecting it as best I can to weather the storm.
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Location: BFE, Idaho | dhdqhllc - 2014-02-19 11:01 AM DLV - 2014-02-18 11:43 AM It should be no surprise that the West is having water problems.... we have built up HUGE populations in areas that cannot sustain them in the long run, the truth is there is not enough water and we are running things dry.... Cadillac Desert is a great book to read explaining these issues. The populations cannot and will not be sustained in these areas that were meant to be DESERTS and yet we have turned them into lush areas using the water at alarming rates.... in addition damaging ecosystems. 1,000's of acres of water intensive crops are planted in areas that they NEVER should have been with the amount of rainfall in the area.
I am not surprised about this at all and I do believe the economy is going to get much worse. That is the reason I have decided to only have two horses, pay off all debt as quickly as possible and start saving... it's a smart thing to do in any time but especially uncertain times and they are coming... maybe not now or in the next year but sooner then we think...you are smart to question breeding your horse in my opinion..... ^^dead on^^
This is true for so many areas and cities in the desert, but those of us not involved in a major water shed issue are still in a tough situation this year.
My little valley I live in has a small dam that serves a very small community of farmers, we have not plowed new ground in over 50 years, in fact there is more fallow ground now than when the track was opened in the early 1900's. And most have switched to modern less usage water irrigation systems.
We have had short water inches for the last 5 years, this year they are worried if the dam will fill enough to even send water out. We are hurting for water here and many are very, very worried.
We are having a few inches of snow every week here lately but I do not think it will be enough????
Hay went to $200 when we started shipping all our extras to the midwest/south drought, it never went down. I do not think it will ever go down now.
I will have one horse by May and probably will not be able to go back up to two for quite a few years.
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Location: Where I am happiest | dhdqhllc - 2014-02-19 12:01 PM DLV - 2014-02-18 11:43 AM It should be no surprise that the West is having water problems.... we have built up HUGE populations in areas that cannot sustain them in the long run, the truth is there is not enough water and we are running things dry.... Cadillac Desert is a great book to read explaining these issues. The populations cannot and will not be sustained in these areas that were meant to be DESERTS and yet we have turned them into lush areas using the water at alarming rates.... in addition damaging ecosystems. 1,000's of acres of water intensive crops are planted in areas that they NEVER should have been with the amount of rainfall in the area.
I am not surprised about this at all and I do believe the economy is going to get much worse. That is the reason I have decided to only have two horses, pay off all debt as quickly as possible and start saving... it's a smart thing to do in any time but especially uncertain times and they are coming... maybe not now or in the next year but sooner then we think...you are smart to question breeding your horse in my opinion..... ^^dead on^^
Yep, and alot of water has been sent down there that have put places that would normally be ok in a water crunch for years. Now those places are in a drought themselves with no reserves. They are dry and have about 32% of normal snow pack themselves. Yet, those desert cities, will keep watering lawns and golf courses and pools and washing cars like they have a endless supply while farmers and ranchers go without. |
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Location: ND | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-19 1:22 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-02-19 12:01 PM DLV - 2014-02-18 11:43 AM It should be no surprise that the West is having water problems.... we have built up HUGE populations in areas that cannot sustain them in the long run, the truth is there is not enough water and we are running things dry.... Cadillac Desert is a great book to read explaining these issues. The populations cannot and will not be sustained in these areas that were meant to be DESERTS and yet we have turned them into lush areas using the water at alarming rates.... in addition damaging ecosystems. 1,000's of acres of water intensive crops are planted in areas that they NEVER should have been with the amount of rainfall in the area.
I am not surprised about this at all and I do believe the economy is going to get much worse. That is the reason I have decided to only have two horses, pay off all debt as quickly as possible and start saving... it's a smart thing to do in any time but especially uncertain times and they are coming... maybe not now or in the next year but sooner then we think...you are smart to question breeding your horse in my opinion..... ^^dead on^^
and climate change is only exacerbating this water issue.....not only with extreme drought but also extreme amounts of precipitation.....both which decrease ag production...... but some places will also benefit from this and see increased ag production...
in the bigger picture, i don't really think anyone cares about the luxury of breeding horses for pleasure purposed....
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