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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rockinas - 2014-02-25 4:30 PM NoNoBadGirl - 2014-02-25 4:20 PM I had a breeder do an embryo out of one of my top producers......and it was never registered. I know it was alive up until it was a yearling as I saw photos of it. Wow! All that expense of getting one on the ground and no papers. That blows my mind.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | AllAroundRider - 2014-02-25 7:51 PM
I didn't read all the replies but I am one of those that has a 2013 foal that isn't registered yet. He is a solid APHA so the rate increase from Dec 31st to yearling year isn't very much so I opted to wait until spring when he sheds. He is a really weird color that keeps changing and seeing as they want to argue colors with you when they are nice and slicked off I am not going to send in pictures of a baby buffalo. It's also not easy getting decent pictures of them without any help either. I keep my foals though.
On another note, do you think some of them are at the association but are delayed? Good Lord when I sent in for the previous years foal it took forever between the association and DNA what not.
While in my case some of last year's foals might be delayed, what about the ones from all of the previous years? All I have to do is look at my SBR history and it tells me if there has been a foal registered from the mating or not. I was just surprised at how many older ones, that I KNOW were born, some of which are even being ridden, were never registered.
Especially when our stud is eligible for so many breeders incentives. It makes me question spending the literal thousands of dollars every year that we spend to keep studs enrolled, when so many babies are never even followed through with.
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Location: ND | kuhlmann - 2014-02-25 7:38 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 7:16 PM kuhlmann - 2014-02-25 5:59 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 5:28 PM registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well....... Only if they own the mares and stud owner cooperates!
Stallion owners cant force foal registration.
yes, all of that is un handy and turns people away but if you are that adamant about making sure that your foals have papers, you could go to that extreme.....
same with broodmare only owners in regards to prerequisites they could set up....although they may not find anyone willing to work with them...but again, if it's that important to someone....
Possible but absolutely impractical on every level lol
lol......it would.......but an option....lol |
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Location: ND | rockinas - 2014-02-25 8:05 PM AllAroundRider - 2014-02-25 7:51 PM I didn't read all the replies but I am one of those that has a 2013 foal that isn't registered yet. He is a solid APHA so the rate increase from Dec 31st to yearling year isn't very much so I opted to wait until spring when he sheds. He is a really weird color that keeps changing and seeing as they want to argue colors with you when they are nice and slicked off I am not going to send in pictures of a baby buffalo. It's also not easy getting decent pictures of them without any help either. I keep my foals though.
On another note, do you think some of them are at the association but are delayed? Good Lord when I sent in for the previous years foal it took forever between the association and DNA what not. While in my case some of last year's foals might be delayed, what about the ones from all of the previous years? All I have to do is look at my SBR history and it tells me if there has been a foal registered from the mating or not. I was just surprised at how many older ones, that I KNOW were born, some of which are even being ridden, were never registered. Especially when our stud is eligible for so many breeders incentives. It makes me question spending the literal thousands of dollars every year that we spend to keep studs enrolled, when so many babies are never even followed through with.
that is a good point about the incentives....but i think you still come out ahead on that....... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockinas - 2014-02-25 8:05 PM AllAroundRider - 2014-02-25 7:51 PM I didn't read all the replies but I am one of those that has a 2013 foal that isn't registered yet. He is a solid APHA so the rate increase from Dec 31st to yearling year isn't very much so I opted to wait until spring when he sheds. He is a really weird color that keeps changing and seeing as they want to argue colors with you when they are nice and slicked off I am not going to send in pictures of a baby buffalo. It's also not easy getting decent pictures of them without any help either. I keep my foals though.
On another note, do you think some of them are at the association but are delayed? Good Lord when I sent in for the previous years foal it took forever between the association and DNA what not. While in my case some of last year's foals might be delayed, what about the ones from all of the previous years? All I have to do is look at my SBR history and it tells me if there has been a foal registered from the mating or not. I was just surprised at how many older ones, that I KNOW were born, some of which are even being ridden, were never registered. Especially when our stud is eligible for so many breeders incentives. It makes me question spending the literal thousands of dollars every year that we spend to keep studs enrolled, when so many babies are never even followed through with.
I know quite a few stallions in our area that used to be paid into different incentives and they no longer are. Makes me wonder if its because of the reasons you mentioned. Its a lot of money to fork out. Are they using these colts mainly as ranch horses so they don't need them registered? You'd think for resale they'd want papers. I'm still really blown away that you've got so many not registered. That just doesn't make sense especially when you like so many other stallion owners only AI - that's a heck of an expense to have in a foal and then have a grade? Its still a nice foal but grade nontheless. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-25 10:11 PM know quite a few stallions in our area that used to be paid into different incentives and they no longer are. Makes me wonder if its because of the reasons you mentioned. Its a lot of money to fork out. Are they using these colts mainly as ranch horses so they don't need them registered? You'd think for resale they'd want papers. I'm still really blown away that you've got so many not registered. That just doesn't make sense especially when you like so many other stallion owners only AI - that's a heck of an expense to have in a foal and then have a grade? Its still a nice foal but grade nontheless.
I honestly do not know. Some of them are rodeo folks, some are ranch folks that probably really don't care about the papers. Just makes you wonder. Most all of my futurity clients and breeding-to-sell clients have registered their babies and paid into the incentives.
We are finally able to afford to keep more foals back every year for ourselves, so if nothing else the incentives will pay off for me when I finally get to run something that we've raised. Or at least I hope. My luck with getting horses grown up and ready to run seems to be not so good the last several years. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | I don't breed with that being said the only way I would wait over six months is if I had a colt that kept changing colours or if I didn't know what colour he'd turn. With that being said, I register/transfer everything. I have a couple horses that are still in my name that I sold. It ****es me off because I want to know where they ended up. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | bccanchaser16 - 2014-02-25 10:31 PM
I don't breed with that being said the only way I would wait over six months is if I had a colt that kept changing colours or if I didn't know what colour he'd turn. With that being said, I register/transfer everything. I have a couple horses that are still in my name that I sold. It ****es me off because I want to know where they ended up.
My last foal I waited till close to the 6 month mark because I didnt know what color to put down. She went from lt sorrel to deep dark chestnut so I reg her chestnut.....then she turned sorrel again. Uggg. I`ll see what this summer brings. Might have to change her papers. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-25 10:48 PM bccanchaser16 - 2014-02-25 10:31 PM I don't breed with that being said the only way I would wait over six months is if I had a colt that kept changing colours or if I didn't know what colour he'd turn. With that being said, I register/transfer everything. I have a couple horses that are still in my name that I sold. It ****es me off because I want to know where they ended up. My last foal I waited till close to the 6 month mark because I didnt know what color to put down. She went from lt sorrel to deep dark chestnut so I reg her chestnut.....then she turned sorrel again. Uggg. I`ll see what this summer brings. Might have to change her papers.
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Location: Great NW | Registering when they are foals probably the cheapest part of having a foal and should be IMO considered part of your breeding costs. As you have seen in previous conversations their value is increased and the ease at which you can sell them will go up with Registration. With the incentive on the price of registration it is almost prohibitive to register them when they are older. |
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| In tx/ok the big fat ropers that are sitting on their brains are the most likely arena event people NOT TO REGISTER their babies .... lol |
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Location: Texas | I am a procrastinator. My colt, I would run across his app and think "Man I have to send those off tomorrow." put them in a spot so I would know just where they were... and then a couple of months later I would repeat the process. He was 2 by the time I finally got him registered. It is horrible, I know. |
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Location: minnesota | I'm a buyer, not a breeder. I have bought several young horses that were registered by the owner of the mare. I really had no idea that it was done any other way.
Much to my surprise when I picked up a weanling in 2012 and was handed some papers by the breeder and told to "make sure I get her registered" I was VERY irritated, as all of her stock was advertised as registered AQHA. That particular horse is still not registered. And on the contrary to what several judgmental people may think, I am neither lazy nor stupid.
I just simply forgot. And since then I have misplaced that particular paperwork. Not that it matters anyway. She will live with me for life. And if she does go anywhere else papers just won't be a factor. I have never sold any of my horses. I have rehomed a couple, but only for their betterment.
I also bought another weanling this spring and the same thing happened. I will register this one, maybe, as I have tucked the paperwork in a safe place and one day I might remember to pull it out.
The papers on all of my horses are really just useless pieces of paper. They add nothing to their worth, my horses are family, and their "worth" is not measured in dollars. I'm not in the selling business. All of my horses are bought on conformation and temperament. So before you start name calling, try thinking outside the box. |
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| I don't breed but I guess if you had a CLONE, you couldn't register! For the life of me, I can't think of ANY other good reason to NOT register one! |
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Location: Texas Baby!! | I struggle to understand why someone would go through the absolute HELL of getting a baby on the ground healthy and alive and not register it!!!! That BLOWS my mind!!!! |
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Location: The Great Northwest | rockinas - 2014-02-26 6:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-25 8:59 AM I think a lot more die than a person thinks. I register just about as soon as they are born so most are already papered when they die. I know we lost one that was stepped on while still on the mare, one as a yearling that got cast in the night, one was struck by lightning, one died at 2 weeks before it was reg though, just laid down and died. And last summer I had to put one down that had some joint issue...oh and another one a few years ago that was bit by a rattle snake. I'm pretty small time breeder with no more than 10 mares at any time. That is some really rotten luck!!!!
While I know that some will die, I also know of a few, some even being ridden, that have never been papered.
A few months ago, I saw a horse sired by one of our stallions being advertised as a futurity prospect and eligible for breeders incentives. Since we are not a huge operation, I remembered shipping the semen for that particular colt's dam. When I looked the horse up on the AQHA website, at the time, he had never been registered. Maybe he has been since but at that point it was going to cost a lot of money to get it registered.
I don't know how a grade horse can be eligible for breeders futurity incentives since most of them require papers of some sort to enroll.
I think these incentive programs are going to get a lot of those not registering to think again on the money they will miss! |
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Location: Montana | While I hope to get a few minutes to read all of this thread, I admit I haven't yet. I apologize if this has been said already.
I do register all our foals. I try to get them done before it's too expensive and always end up battling the websites at the last minute . . . . I even decided that registering foals early was going to be my New Year's resolution this year. Ha! Wish me luck!
In addition to the obvious advantages for the foal, there is another reason I register foals. If you skip registering foals then your mare's production record has years that are blank. If you want to sell your mare, those blank years are a problem. We don't buy mares with lots of open years . . . cuz we need mares that have foals regularily. Even if you think you will never sell your mare . . . none of us know what awaits us in this life and you might want to or have to.
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Location: The Great Northwest | I bought two young stallions from a sale 12 years ago. They were 6 months and not registered just had the applications. I was in the mind set that heck they're going to be geldings and never registered them! :( I have learned a lot with the incentive programs that it is cheaper to just get them registered raise or buy them. The value these days are in the registered horse just a ranch horse or not...think to the future. The mares from these two geldings have passed but these two off-springs are nice geldings. The one would be bringing extra dollars if it didn't cost a lot of $$$'s to regerster and pay the incentive fund penalty now! :( |
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| Ashton94 - 2014-02-25 10:06 AM
I bought a 3 yo (2009 ) mare in July 2012 with the intentions of running her. The next January I found out she was pregnant. I called the guy I bought her from & he said they did breed her but she never checked in foal. We did the DNA test, took pics, & sent the $ to get her registered but we can't proceed without the breeders signature & for some reason, he wont sign. He wont return my calls or letters. AQHA has contacted him but still nothing.... She's such a nice filly. It's really frustrating.
Here's her pedigree-
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chromed+out+bunny
Have you tried filling out the online mare report? I had this same issue and it forced the stallion owner to have to fill out the online breeder's report. |
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