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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-29 9:10 PM
Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.
Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em Â
The biggest problem with Impressive bloodlines in my opinion is the fact that no matter what you tell me people or what research/information is available, they will always be associated with HYPP. |
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| I love Impressive horses. I love their work ethic and how smart they are. Would I knowingly purchase another one nope. It has nothing to do with HYPP either. I have owned 2 grandsons of Impressive and one ended up with navicular and the other foundered(we took him in after he foundered.) He did not founder due to weight or water or being worked to hard. I have a mare now that is a great granddaughter of Impressive whom I love. She was a breeze to break and pattern. She has navicular now at 14 years old and has shown symptoms for the past few years and this horse has been standing in pasture not being barrel raced since she was a 5 year old due to life. My 9 year old niece rides an Impressive gelding who is 8 years old now and Impressive is I know one generation off maybe 2 generations off his papers. He has his own goofy personality but for a kid I couldn't ask for a better horse. A good friend of mines mother has a gelding that is a great grandson of Impressive who also has navicular. My husband shoes horses and he has spoken with several different vets from backyard vets to vets at top vet clinics and some say it is genetic some say it is not. Some say it depends on what they are crossed with if they have the fine bone structure with the big bodies. For my peace of mind I would prefer to stay away from them. Every bloodline has their own set of issues. I've seen Beduino horses that are hot as firecrackers then some that don't want to run they would prefer just to mosey a long and ride the kids around. Horses are a gamble no matter what. All you can do is do your own research and decide what chances your willing to take. I've had two Moon Lark horses one was just not a people horse the other wanted to be right where all the people were. You just never know. |
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| trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 8:23 PM
NJJ - 2014-03-29 10:29 AM
trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26Â HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.
Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines"..... Â
Get off a computer and ask a vet. A vet from an equine hospital, not a backwoods vet. HYPP is not exclusive to Impressive bred horses. You people and your intolerance of opposing opinions are obviously hell bent on your labels and opinions. Get off you high horse and educate yourselves. And if you aren't going to breed or support any breed with a genetic defect I certainly hope all your horses have had their 5 panels tests and are not PSSM positive. Let me guess, you only associate that with a certain bloodline too lol. Or maybe you haven't heard of it with your ur extensive equine research ; )
APHA even did an article on this. Contact them and call them and idiots. I personally was of the same opinion of you folks until a high profile equine vet informed me otherwise. As far as being on a HYPP bandwagon, I think it pales in comparison to PSSM. There is little known about it other that it definitely affects all horses. It is a much worse problem.
To my knowledge, Impressive and ONE Wiescamp mare are the only horses confirmed to pass on HYPP. What horses does your vet say pass on HYPP. I find this very interesting. |
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| I would like to know also. I love researching bloodlines. This is all I could come up with. Fact: Research has determined that HyPP is the result of a mutated gene that originated with the Quarter Horse stallion Impressive. Other Three Bars families are not involved.
I have HEARD by one vet that some vets will not say HYPP is caused by Impressive or that IMpressive horses can carry hypp but rather say that horses of a certain lineage carry HYPP. That is hear say though. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | I just noticed that my previous post wasn't showing up correctly. Here's my great-grandson of Impressive, he wears a size 2 shoe and doesn't lack for size anywhere.
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The Advice Guru
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| CrossCreek - 2014-03-28 12:15 AM
 Looking at a 14.2 hand horse for my little boy, just found out she's got Impressive way back there...what kind of risk am i taking? She's just a cheap playday horse...
Have you got your answer yet?
I would say go for it, if the horse suits your needs, is safe, and your child loves the horse, those are worth their weight in gold. As many people say you can't ride the papers.
Just get a good vet check as anyone buying a broke horse should do and go from there.
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Location: At the barn | Honeymoney - 2014-03-29 10:38 PM
trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 8:23 PM
NJJ - 2014-03-29 10:29 AM
trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26Â HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.
Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines"..... Â
Get off a computer and ask a vet. A vet from an equine hospital, not a backwoods vet. HYPP is not exclusive to Impressive bred horses. You people and your intolerance of opposing opinions are obviously hell bent on your labels and opinions. Get off you high horse and educate yourselves. And if you aren't going to breed or support any breed with a genetic defect I certainly hope all your horses have had their 5 panels tests and are not PSSM positive. Let me guess, you only associate that with a certain bloodline too lol. Or maybe you haven't heard of it with your ur extensive equine research ; )
APHA even did an article on this. Contact them and call them and idiots. I personally was of the same opinion of you folks until a high profile equine vet informed me otherwise. As far as being on a HYPP bandwagon, I think it pales in comparison to PSSM. There is little known about it other that it definitely affects all horses. It is a much worse problem.
To my knowledge, Impressive and ONE Wiescamp mare are the only horses confirmed to pass on HYPP. What horses does your vet say pass on HYPP. I find this very interesting.
It was not my vet. It was a vet that was doing a pre purchase exam on a cow horse I was selling. No Impressive near his bloodlines. He informed me that it had been found in warmbloods and several other breeds as well. They were demanding a test on my horse and when I told him he was not tested and did not need to be tested as he has no Impressive in his pedigree he enlightened me to this information. It was the first time I had heard it as well. He was a leading vet at a very big equine hospital. I personally feel that vet little is known about the genetic disorders we are aware of, so never say never. |
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Location: At the barn | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-29 9:10 PM
Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.
Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like emÂ
In not upset that anyone does or doesn't like any bloodline. But to come off like a jerk is ridiculous. I personally don't judge a horse solely on pedigree. I judge the indivual.I don't see how you surmised that I'm mad and act like im being pushed to same opinion. Its not a matter of the opinion, its a matter of acting like a jerk when someone offers information. As I stated, I several very nice working horses that also show and are Impressive bred. I do think its pretty narrow minded to say all horses with a certain lineage are not good, perhaps a novice horse person would think otherwise. At any rate, the OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting backlash from info an actual vet gave me is ignorant. I didn't come up with the theory, a doctor did. I'm sure his basis for doing so is warranted and his experience exceeds all that of any of us on here.
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Location: North Texas | trotncowpony - 2014-03-30 2:12 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-29 9:10 PM Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.
Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em In not upset that anyone does or doesn't like any bloodline. But to come off like a jerk is ridiculous. I personally don't judge a horse solely on pedigree. I judge the indivual.I don't see how you surmised that I'm mad and act like im being pushed to same opinion. Its not a matter of the opinion, its a matter of acting like a jerk when someone offers information. As I stated, I several very nice working horses that also show and are Impressive bred. I do think its pretty narrow minded to say all horses with a certain lineage are not good, perhaps a novice horse person would think otherwise. At any rate, the OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting backlash from info an actual vet gave me is ignorant. I didn't come up with the theory, a doctor did. I'm sure his basis for doing so is warranted and his experience exceeds all that of any of us on here.
I must be a narrow minded novice then. Because part of the Mission Statement of The AQHA (at one time) was the BETTERMENT of the American Quarter Horse Breed. Propagating a Known Genetic Defect is not bettering anything from the way I see things. But then again per your analysis I am narrow minded and a novice in the equine industry. So be your thoughts, which you are entitled to, but not MY money to help promote Genetic Defects! |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. |
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Location: North Texas | Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it.
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk? |
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| foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:14 PM
Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM Â Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.Â
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it.Â
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-30 11:31 AM CrossCreek - 2014-03-28 12:15 AM Looking at a 14.2 hand horse for my little boy, just found out she's got Impressive way back there...what kind of risk am i taking? She's just a cheap playday horse... Have you got your answer yet? I would say go for it, if the horse suits your needs, is safe, and your child loves the horse, those are worth their weight in gold. As many people say you can't ride the papers. Just get a good vet check as anyone buying a broke horse should do and go from there. Good luck on your search
Agree, if you like the mare and shes a good horse for your son, I say go for it too.  |
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Location: North Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-30 9:34 PM foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:14 PM Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk? If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2014-03-29 8:29 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-29 9:10 PM Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.
Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em The biggest problem with Impressive bloodlines in my opinion is the fact that no matter what you tell me people or what research/information is available, they will always be associated with HYPP.
Some of my dislike for them is the ones that are halter bred to actually be shown to halter. Those aren't horses, they are aliens of the horse world. For what I need a horse for, they would be misarable to ride and they would be crippled in a week. They aren't bred to be a riding horse. I also don't like the idea of the HYPP whether they are neg or not. I kind of feel the same as foundation horse. I hate to support a genetic defect...even if it is a gelding. I feel similar to cloned bloodlines. I will never say never as I did mention the one roan colt I may get to ride. I say "get to" because he is by my race bred stallion and has a personality that I just adore and the Impressive is so far back it is off his grand dam's papers.
As I have said before, my biggest issue was with the ones I rode, because I do have experince riding them. They were cheaters, heartless and most plain nasty. Most of these were from Ima Cool Skip, but I have rode pleny of others from different Impressive lines to know they don't normally have what I want in a horse-has nothing to do with Impressive except for the fact that all the heartless ones etc did trace to him in one way or another. I have ridden plenty of others that I didn't like as well, of other bloodlines (Duel Pep, Reminic etc). Great for those that do like to ride them and own a dream horse, that is honestly great! |
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| foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:50 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-30 9:34 PM foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:14 PM Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM Â Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.Â
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk? If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?
all papered Impressive horses are tested so there is no "without testing" because it has to happen if you want papers. If you buy/ breed a horse that n/n you are indeed "bettering" the Quarter Horse breed (not spreading the defect in any way). So basically if we all just keep buying/ breeding n/n horses we are "bettering" the breed. If you don't want to, fine we get it. Again, and again, and again. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2014-03-30 10:14 PM
foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:50 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-30 9:34 PM foundation horse - 2014-03-30 9:14 PM Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM Â Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses.Â
I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk? If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?
all papered Impressive horses are tested so there is no "without testing" because it has to happen if you want papers. If you buy/ breed a horse that n/n you are indeed "bettering" the Quarter Horse breed (not spreading the defect in any way ). So basically if we all just keep buying/ breeding n/n horses we are "bettering" the breed. If you don't want to, fine we get it. Again, and again, and again.
I dont have a dog in this fight but I think the point trying to be made is because people continued to breed impressive horses, it resulted in horses WITH HYPP which is not bettering the breed and you are knowingly taking that risk which is essentially unnessesary.
There are so many horses out there without genetic disorders, why continue to make more or potentially make more? |
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Location: Texas | I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?
Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?
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| Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM
I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?
Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?
I am not as familiar with either. However, it is my understanding that PSSM can be managed also. But I do feel the same way. Knowingly reproducing horses with genetic defect is something I dont agree with. |
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