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Location: iowa | the iowa horse is not a barrelhorse. and it is the only confirmed case. |
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| I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause? |
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Location: South Dakota | Iowafarmgal - 2014-04-11 3:01 AM I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause?
Very scary indeed.....I hope you are wrong...
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Location: Midwest | Iowafarmgal - 2014-04-11 3:01 AM I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause?
Size does not neccessarily correlate with virulence
And the types of research being pursued do not really indicate virulence either.
People need to be responisible, but I don't really see anyone here "showing off" as you say. |
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Location: North Dakota | 3canchaser01 - 2014-04-10 3:43 PM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 10:18 AM
SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Well that's what I'm wondering. I guess there was an MRA in SD a couple weeks ago and then I know a few SD runners were at that run at Arrowhead. I wish more info would come out about it. But maybe it isn't confirmed yet so they are waiting.
There have not been any runs at Arrowhead this year?
Excuse me I meant to type Winona. I must have had Arrowhead on my mind. Sometimes my fingers are quicker than my brain...lol. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-11 10:21 AM
3canchaser01 - 2014-04-10 3:43 PM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 10:18 AM
SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Well that's what I'm wondering. I guess there was an MRA in SD a couple weeks ago and then I know a few SD runners were at that run at Arrowhead. I wish more info would come out about it. But maybe it isn't confirmed yet so they are waiting.
There have not been any runs at Arrowhead this year?
Excuse me I meant to type Winona. I must have had Arrowhead on my mind. Sometimes my fingers are quicker than my brain...lol.
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| Now 3 confirmed in ND.
http://www.nd.gov/ndda/disease/equine-herpes-virus-type-1 |
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| I was at Colorado State University Vet Hospital the other day. They have two in isolation now.
When it hit here May 2011, everything was canceled or postponed. I had just bought a horse when it was hitting and the lady I was going to board with said "no way, you will have to wait." Then when I took him up to our ranch in the middle of nowhere, people came knocking at the door, wanting to know where he came from.
Even the monthly tack sale shut down for two months. I remember being frustrated, but looking back I'm so glad. I'm not sure why the uber vigilance is not the same everywhere...scary!! |
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these are not neurologic cases |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This is what happens when people get too hysterical. Every horse with a snotty nose will become a suspected case of EHV-1, and everyone will just get more and more agitated. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-04-12 7:57 AM
these are not neurologic cases
None of them. They show neuro symptoms but are not true neuro cases. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 9:38 AM
This is what happens when people get too hysterical. Every horse with a snotty nose will become a suspected case of EHV-1, and everyone will just get more and more agitated.
These are 3 confirmed cases. If you click on the link and then the Equine Herpes Virus Type 1 link it shows cases in the middle of ND. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable. |
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| It's nature's way. It's called "Weeding out the stupid"! Some people will be smart enough to keep their horses safe. Those who are not, their horses may have to pay the price. Obviously those whose horses contracted it in the early stages had no responsibility as it was unknown at the time. They were innocent victims of someone else's foolish/selfish decision to haul/sell a sick horse. Does anyone know who was the first horse known to have contracted this in the area? I was not following this at the beginning so excuse my lack of information, but it is obviously getting out of hand due to the insanity of people who can't stay home. |
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| bingo - 2014-04-12 4:34 PM
It's nature's way. It's called "Weeding out the stupid"! Some people will be smart enough to keep their horses safe. Those who are not, their horses may have to pay the price. Obviously those whose horses contracted it in the early stages had no responsibility as it was unknown at the time. They were innocent victims of someone else's foolish/selfish decision to haul/sell a sick horse. Does anyone know who was the first horse known to have contracted this in the area? I was not following this at the beginning so excuse my lack of information, but it is obviously getting out of hand due to the insanity of people who can't stay home.
I believe the first (first REPORTED) horse was the one in Winona (who was not showing any signs/symptoms at the arena). I believe that horse was from Dakota County. Its been awhile, so I am trying to remember correctly. I dont know anyone knowingly has hauled or sold sick horses. I think this was just an issue of weakened immune systems from winter and the start of hauling season increasing stress levels in horses. No one is at fault for the start of this.
However, I do think those are are so h3ll bent on showing/sales/etc are now going to be at fault if they dont cool their jets and just lay low for a couple weeks. I realize they are exposing their horses but that horse could come in contact with my horse and I havnt been hauling and now my horse could get sick. Its a slippery slope and just think the smartest decision is to wait it out. We will all survive a few more weeks at home. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 1:01 PM The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable.
None of the cases in MN tested positive for the neuro strain either but they all showed neuro signs just like these in ND. It is a mutant strain that there is no vaccine for. |
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Location: North Dakota | Well the latest I am hearing is that they are saying these ND horses did not get it from MN horses. They are leaning towards it being an isolated case. There were rumors that one of them was at a barrel race but then people said they know the horses and they were definitely not at any barrel races recently. I don't even know if they are barrel horses. I wish more info would come out. I don't care who owns them because that is none of our business but I feel it is our business to know where theses horses have been. |
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-14 6:43 AM Well the latest I am hearing is that they are saying these ND horses did not get it from MN horses. They are leaning towards it being an isolated case. There were rumors that one of them was at a barrel race but then people said they know the horses and they were definitely not at any barrel races recently. I don't even know if they are barrel horses. I wish more info would come out. I don't care who owns them because that is none of our business but I feel it is our business to know where theses horses have been.
Isn't it impressive how the rumor mill is working right now!!! I've heard both that the horses where at a barrel race and that they where at private barns with no horses in/out recently. But I guess in all reality it doesn't matter, my horses are just staying home until my vet tells me that he feels ok with me hauling again. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 1:01 PM The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable.
I spoke to a vet on Saturday night and that is exactly what he said. Vaccinate your horses and take the necessary precautions when hauling. No sharing buckets and keep your horses from rubbing noses and azzes with other horses. |
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Location: North Dakota | From the ND WPRA director.
Just got off the phone with the ND State Vet's Office. I am not going to go into how this EVH-1 is spread, you can all read up. There are many articles on it. I will let you know this. Two of the 3 horses are on and have been confined to one farm since their positive test WHICH WAS IN FEBRUARY. The state was not notified till later. These horses are basically recovered and have been quarantined the entire time. The 3rd horse was diagnosed last week. It has not left the county anytime recently but was hauled to an event in the county roughly 3 weeks ago (we cannot say it was or was not exposed there. There is no way to tell.) Many horses with EVH-1, even not the neuro strain, exhibit neuro symptoms. This type of EVH-1 usually presents symptoms within days of exposure. From that date of the last positive test, with this strain, 10-14 days is recommended no travel time. As WPRA badlands director, I asked if the 3rd positive test was hauled to Fargo pro rodeo. She said no, that the horse had not left the county. Right now she did not know of any new positive tests. |
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