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| I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
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| Frenchie - 2014-04-20 10:45 PM Where they are at 60 rides is really a tough question. Everyone wants something different. They might be rode out in the pasture 50 of 60 days and not have the drill work but sure have good experience.
Some might seem really behind after 30 or 60 days but are actually really set up to be WAY ahead after 45 or 70 rides due to the foundation and building blocks in place.
I'm not a colt starter and the gentleman in the video has a pretty positve reputation. I'm not saying I could do anywhere near what he has done, just observing that when I watched that it wasn't what I was expecting
I'd also say that arguing that you don't know much about starting colts unless you've trained successful 1d horses is kind of like saying Michael Jordan wasn't good at basketabll because he isn't good at painting the lines on the court. Both things are real necassary but have little to do with each other. I'd even venture a guess that the vast majority of successful barrel trainers don't start many colts at all.
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| roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM
I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4Â
I like him! Carries himself well. I like how he searches for the contact instead of being afraid of it. Nice and quite! Whoever started him did a fantastic job in my opinion! |
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Location: Kentucky | roanrider - 2014-04-21 1:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
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Thank you for sharing your video with everyone!
It is okay for people to give healthy criticism, but please be kind while you do it. No need for the snippy remarks towards Running C. She has fantastic horses, a fantastic breeding program and plenty of horses winning money! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
Nobody will dare throw rocks at you for that, and you know it! LOL I like him. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed the video. Hat's off to you. |
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| Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-21 12:46 PM Thank you for sharing your video with everyone! It is okay for people to give healthy criticism, but please be kind while you do it. No need for the snippy remarks towards Running C. She has fantastic horses, a fantastic breeding program and plenty of horses winning money!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 12:48 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-21 12:46 PM Thank you for sharing your video with everyone! It is okay for people to give healthy criticism, but please be kind while you do it. No need for the snippy remarks towards Running C. She has fantastic horses, a fantastic breeding program and plenty of horses winning money!
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Location: relocated to Texas | roanrider - 2014-04-22 11:37 AM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
Very nice! Love this horse and the way he moves. The guy riding him does a great job!  |
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| I want to clarify about these 2 year olds being pushed too hard too soon. I plan to ride for 15-20 minutes per ride, give or take based on how the horse is handling the ride that day. And we like to do 30-60 rides before turning them back out to pasture for a break. I certainly don't expect them to perform the maneuvers like a finished horse would, but I want them to have a good understanding of what I'm asking for and willingly do it, even if it's not perfect yet or done quickly. Most important is protecting them both physically and mentally, knowing when to ask for more or to back off. I want a horse that enjoys doing its job, not dreads being caught because they fear the ride that is to come. I think the same concepts apply to groundwork with these youngsters. I'm not the type to handle my babies regularly since they will spend most of their time in the pasture prior to them being started as 2 year olds. But if you show them correctly the first time that lesson will stay with them. But unfortunately the same goes for if you teach them incorrectly, they're going to remember that, too. A good colt starter will create a foundation that lasts a lifetime.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | roanrider - 2014-04-21 11:37 AM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
Very very very nice. This is what I like to see with my colts.
This colt is soft, seeks contact, is moving collected and using himself. It is a much different picture than the last video.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Jenbabe - 2014-04-21 12:01 PM I want to clarify about these 2 year olds being pushed too hard too soon. I plan to ride for 15-20 minutes per ride, give or take based on how the horse is handling the ride that day. And we like to do 30-60 rides before turning them back out to pasture for a break. I certainly don't expect them to perform the maneuvers like a finished horse would, but I want them to have a good understanding of what I'm asking for and willingly do it, even if it's not perfect yet or done quickly. Most important is protecting them both physically and mentally, knowing when to ask for more or to back off. I want a horse that enjoys doing its job, not dreads being caught because they fear the ride that is to come. I think the same concepts apply to groundwork with these youngsters. I'm not the type to handle my babies regularly since they will spend most of their time in the pasture prior to them being started as 2 year olds. But if you show them correctly the first time that lesson will stay with them. But unfortunately the same goes for if you teach them incorrectly, they're going to remember that, too. A good colt starter will create a foundation that lasts a lifetime.
That is what it all comes down to with starting and handling colts no matter if you start when they are born or don't touch them till they are two or ten! If you lay a good foundation build on positive experiences the horse stays broke!
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I can't take credit for my colt, my colt starter does a really nice job. Just wanted to show folks "my" version of a 45 dayer.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-21 1:48 PM roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4
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Location: Texas | roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM
I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4Â
Okay… not taking anything away from the colt or the guy on him… He is a super nice horse and the guy is great with his hands… BUT…
This is a totally different kind of horse than the horse in the other video. This colt looks a little lazy and is probably bred a little quieter than the other horse. He looks like he is a horse that is very mature for his age and doesn't get too worried about stuff… my kind of horse, lol. They can make you look really good.
The other horse is - a little more horse - he has more go to him and he's more "nervous" in general. With a horse like that I would go pretty slow and do my best to keep him relaxed and willing. You can't put these suckers in a box.
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM
I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4Â
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| grinandbareit - 2014-04-21 3:37 PM roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before. He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4 Okay… not taking anything away from the colt or the guy on him… He is a super nice horse and the guy is great with his hands… BUT… This is a totally different kind of horse than the horse in the other video. This colt looks a little lazy and is probably bred a little quieter than the other horse. He looks like he is a horse that is very mature for his age and doesn't get too worried about stuff… my kind of horse, lol. They can make you look really good. The other horse is - a little more horse - he has more go to him and he's more "nervous" in general. With a horse like that I would go pretty slow and do my best to keep him relaxed and willing. You can't put these suckers in a box.
My colt is user friendly and easy to get along with but he isn't lazy. There's a big difference between being quiet and lazy and being quiet, willing and waiting for the next cue. He'll be uncomplicated to go on with with his new owner.
I have another 3 year old at this same trainer and she is more animated. She has a mind of her own and has more fire to her. Some days she rides like this gelding, other days she's still bucking. lol She's doing the same maneuvers that this gelding is but it will take longer to get her riding consistent.....so she's staying there for a while longer!!!!
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Location: California | This was my filly the day after I got her back from the colt starter. This was 2 years ago.
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| roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM
I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4Â
I like how the handle on this colt better then the first one.
The reasoning being he is relaxed, the rider is lighter on the face, and the horse is not trying to evade the bit, but accepts the pressure and gives to it. I also like how this horse is listening to body position, when the rider sits down in the saddle, the horse is already starting to plant his but before there is contact on the reins.
You can tell by the ears the horse is constantly listening and awaiting the next command instead of looking for an escape.
Nice horse, and the trainer did a nice job keeping him soft and attentive but relaxed. |
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Location: Arizona | roanrider - 2014-04-21 2:50 PM
grinandbareit - 2014-04-21 3:37 PM roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4 Okay… not taking anything away from the colt or the guy on him… He is a super nice horse and the guy is great with his hands… BUT… This is a totally different kind of horse than the horse in the other video. This colt looks a little lazy and is probably bred a little quieter than the other horse. He looks like he is a horse that is very mature for his age and doesn't get too worried about stuff… my kind of horse, lol. They can make you look really good. The other horse is - a little more horse - he has more go to him and he's more "nervous" in general. With a horse like that I would go pretty slow and do my best to keep him relaxed and willing. You can't put these suckers in a box.
I have another 3 year old at this same trainer and she is more animated. She has a mind of her own and has more fire to her.  Some days she rides like this gelding, other days she's still bucking. lol  She's doing the same maneuvers that this gelding is but it will take longer to get her riding consistent.....so she's staying there for a while longer!!!! Â
I agree with this. I like the colt in the video a lot, I'm a fan of a smoother more quiet horse myself. I don't have the nerve I used to.
What I've learned from all the horses that have come in to train is this- a lazy horse is usually the one you have to watch, not the horse who is "hotter" and craving to move. A truly lazy horse (not the one in the video) will seize up with you and not want to move. When they do this they have a much greater tendency to buck. Some of the nastiest horses I've been around were lazy S.O.B.s who didn't want to work and when you ask "too much" of them they come unglued.
We have a gelding who is much like yours (only ours is a mustang  ) and another who is more like the one in the first video. She is always "on" and it takes a lot more handling to make her look good. However, at 3 years old she cruises one of the nicest barrel and pole patterns I've seen. My gelding on the other hand is very user friendly and wants to work, just not fast.
I think anyone who can start colts and do it well deserves a pat on the back.It's tough and each horse is such an individual that they have to be able to adapt to many different styles. Not saying that barrel trainers don't but usually they find a style or bloodline they work well with and stick to that, colt starters don't have that luxury. |
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