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        Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I will also say, like I had shared with DG and others that have used the LL- it may have cost me a bit of money and time- it saved me from injecting joints that did not need injecting. For example- my horse was off behind but when we blocked the front foot- he went sound behind so it was compenstion for the front if that makes sense. However, he had issues in the past behind and I would totally have injected him because I believe in injecting but not if it is not necessary. So I loved the LL for that reason alone. I found it very helpful. And I thought all along my horse was off in the front even though he xrayd and ultrasounded clean-and seemed sound on the pad. The LL sees 20 frames per second that the eye may miss. Pin pointing the foot we did an MRI since we did do an injection and got relief but it did not last. |
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| Read through most of the replies. Nobody means to attack you, but it's really hard to not come across really strong, because we've all been there and done that to our nice horses too, before capitulating and heading to a good vet, or in my case, A&M.
The truth is, that when you add the time off work, hauling money spent going vetting, wear and tear on vehicles, your time, your frustration, your wasted entry fees, your wasted hauling fees, the horses pain, your time practicing and training an unsound horse, shoeing for said unsound horse, maintenance, feed, vaccines, etc, etc, etc, it is cheaper to just spend the money up front and haul somewhere that knows what they're doing.
True 1D horses are using their bodies to bits. I know it, you know it, and very one else here does too. It's our responsibility to recompense those animals with the least pain, most comfortable existence we can buy. It's not fair to them to keep asking that they work when it hurts for our pleasure. Believe me, if somebody is chasing me out across the desert looking to murder me, those mules of mine better antey up !!!! But for my obsession, not so much. If I can't afford to figure out what's wrong, they hit the road or are retired to a new profession, like hay eating or pasture growth maintenance, depending on how much they owe me.
The board has recommended at the least, new vets. I agree whole heartedly. If you can't afford treatment, consider spending the dough on genuine diagnostics, that way you'll at least know if Chance taking 2014 off will be beneficial, maintain, or exacerbate the problem.
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      Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | classicpotatochip - 2014-04-22 3:09 PM Read through most of the replies. Nobody means to attack you, but it's really hard to not come across really strong, because we've all been there and done that to our nice horses too, before capitulating and heading to a good vet, or in my case, A&M. The truth is, that when you add the time off work, hauling money spent going vetting, wear and tear on vehicles, your time, your frustration, your wasted entry fees, your wasted hauling fees, the horses pain, your time practicing and training an unsound horse, shoeing for said unsound horse, maintenance, feed, vaccines, etc, etc, etc, it is cheaper to just spend the money up front and haul somewhere that knows what they're doing. True 1D horses are using their bodies to bits. I know it, you know it, and very one else here does too. It's our responsibility to recompense those animals with the least pain, most comfortable existence we can buy. It's not fair to them to keep asking that they work when it hurts for our pleasure. Believe me, if somebody is chasing me out across the desert looking to murder me, those mules of mine better antey up !!!! But for my obsession, not so much. If I can't afford to figure out what's wrong, they hit the road or are retired to a new profession, like hay eating or pasture growth maintenance, depending on how much they owe me. The board has recommended at the least, new vets. I agree whole heartedly. If you can't afford treatment, consider spending the dough on genuine diagnostics, that way you'll at least know if Chance taking 2014 off will be beneficial, maintain, or exacerbate the problem. I don't see a sound horse in your videos, I really hope you get answers soon!
I agree.
I've spent the last two years trying to figure out my good horse's issues & as of right now they aren't figured out so he's not running. It won't be fun for me to watch everyone else but it's even less fun for him to hurt trying to please me. |
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| I would say it's stifles. He is hopping around the barrels. If you don't get it fixed he is going to have more issues. Take him to a good lameness vet. Have them block the stifle and then flex him and watch him in circles. If it's a stifle they will usually be short strided when the effected leg is on the outside of the circle. |
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| Isn't this the crux of the problem for all of us? I don't come close to running at the OP's level but even my "mutt" horses have problems and we dump all this time, money and worry into them. It's expensive and when you don't get the results you need/want it is disheartening too. Op, I don't think you are a terrible person, you had hope, you tried. But now you have some cold hard facts and probably should face them. Maybe retire the horse. I love barrel racing and then for these reasons I hate it too. It sucks to see a "team/dream" die. Sometimes its just time to move forward-on another horse. Good luck OP...xoxoxo |
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     Location: Texas | I wouldn't give up. I would get a lameness locator on him or at least a fresh set of eyesβ¦
Honestly, a lot of times those big referral hospitals end up being cheaper because they can a lot of times get to the bottom of an issue in one visit, can give discounts on rads, they have more technology at their disposal, and theres always payment plans. |
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       Location: Kansas | Sorry if anyone thought I disappeared. Had to finish the weekly newspaper and hustle to a middle school track meet so I just now got home and turned a computer on. I've got the number to the vet in Pryor that you guys have recommended and I'll call first thing in the morning. Meant to do it this afternoon but got buried in work and by the time I looked up, it was 5:30.
I probably shouldn't have read anything on here this morning - I was stressed with work (Tuesday is the craziest day of the week) and it was pretty easy to get under my skin then. Please don't think I am going to run Chance without getting things figured out. I thought I was doing the right thing by following advice of 3 different vets and running at Lincoln - obviously I should have just stayed home and eaten my fees since absolutely nothing went right up there on any of my horses. Again - hindsight is 20/20. |
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     Location: Texas | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-22 9:35 PM
Sorry if anyone thought I disappeared. Had to finish the weekly newspaper and hustle to a middle school track meet so I just now got home and turned a computer on. I've got the number to the vet in Pryor that you guys have recommended and I'll call first thing in the morning. Meant to do it this afternoon but got buried in work and by the time I looked up, it was 5:30.
I probably shouldn't have read anything on here this morning - I was stressed with work (Tuesday is the craziest day of the week) and it was pretty easy to get under my skin then. Please don't think I am going to run Chance without getting things figured out. I thought I was doing the right thing by following advice of 3 different vets and running at Lincoln - obviously I should have just stayed home and eaten my fees since absolutely nothing went right up there on any of my horses. Again - hindsight is 20/20.
it always is⦠I've missed the mark several times on horses even though I was trying to find what was wrong with them. It happens to all of us. They can't talk, and we try our best! |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | casualdust07 - 2014-04-22 10:03 PM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-22 9:35 PM
Sorry if anyone thought I disappeared. Had to finish the weekly newspaper and hustle to a middle school track meet so I just now got home and turned a computer on. I've got the number to the vet in Pryor that you guys have recommended and I'll call first thing in the morning. Meant to do it this afternoon but got buried in work and by the time I looked up, it was 5:30.
I probably shouldn't have read anything on here this morning - I was stressed with work (Tuesday is the craziest day of the week) and it was pretty easy to get under my skin then. Please don't think I am going to run Chance without getting things figured out. I thought I was doing the right thing by following advice of 3 different vets and running at Lincoln - obviously I should have just stayed home and eaten my fees since absolutely nothing went right up there on any of my horses. Again - hindsight is 20/20.
it always is⦠I've missed the mark several times on horses even though I was trying to find what was wrong with them. It happens to all of us. They can't talk, and we try our best!
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         Location: Louisiana | bennie1 - 2014-04-22 8:56 AM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-21 6:56 PM dianeguinn - 2014-04-21 5:28 PM He's still sore. On the first barrel, he's striding really short with his back feet....more up and down instead of forward....almost stabbing them...and then runs across the pen with both back feet together instead of using them separately to push...in fact, he's not wanting to use his back end much at all...I'd guess now maybe hocks need injected or stifles blistered or maybe both. And maybe get a new vet.  I wish I had another close vet that worked on horses at all. It's going to be next Wednesday before I can take him anywhere else because all the other horse vets are 2+ hours away so I figured it was best to start with the vet 30 miles away and then do a bigger trip if needed. At the rate I'm going, I'm never going to be able to run Chance this year.  I am just going to add this.
Every single time I have thought my horse was sore, but chose to dink around with local vets instead of biting the bullet and driving the 200+ miles to a good vet, I have wasted hundreds of dollars and months of time when my horse could have been healing, instead of still trying the myriad of guesses on why they were sore.
THIS! I have several vets within a few miles from me. I call them for things like bloodwork, teeth, or meds. When I have a lameness problem, I go straight to the track vets which is about a 2 hour drive. That long day saves me a lot of time and guesswork. What I really love about them? They don't get ****y when I tell them my horse has seen a different vet since his last visit. They understand that I'm not hauling that far for "minor" things. But when I tell my at home vet that I took him and they injected his knee bc it had arthritis, he visibly got annoyed.
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        Location: ND | maybe there's nothing actually significantly wrong with the horse except too many 'diagnostic/treatment procedures' trying to find something......
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barrelracr131 - 2014-04-22 8:00 AM
I would be taking him to a university or hospital where they have the ability to utilize diagnostic imaging to confirm what is at the root of the soreness from a pathology standpoint.
I don't think going back to your local vet would be prudent at this point in timeΒ
^^^^^This.
I'd be on my way to Oklahoma or College Station to A&M. Sometimes, one or two vets just won't cut it. I want the whole team that TEACHES the vets. I've had three now that I've dumped out at A&M and said, "Keep them until you figure it out." Sometimes it's six hours, one time it was three days, but I had an answer and a treatment plan, either way, they found the problem, and each time it had been totally overlooked locally. Not every teaching facility is equal, either. My big brown gelding was one that CSU totally bombed, and A&M nailed the problem in two hours.
I plan on keeping this habit. $600 in diesel and $1500 in vet bills is often a lot cheaper then hauling and trying to henpeck a sore horse one injection at a time. That's my thought, having been here and done that.
This is why I love being an Aggie. GIG EM (:
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       Location: Kansas | Lameness locator appointment has been made for May 7th. Going to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to those of you who have legitimately tried to help without getting crabby or talking about me behind my back. To the rest of you - have fun acting like 3rd graders. Glad I could give you something to talk about amongst yourselves. |
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        Location: ND | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-24 2:19 PM Lameness locator appointment has been made for May 7th. Going to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to those of you who have legitimately tried to help without getting crabby or talking about me behind my back. To the rest of you - have fun acting like 3rd graders. Glad I could give you something to talk about amongst yourselves.
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   Location: Outside of Larryville, KS | Have you thought about Heartland Equine Vet? They are amazing and have quite the credentials and they are close and can get you in faster then May 7th. They are working out of Mark Gratnys barn right now, as their shop gets finished in May, but they are state of the art and will be able to do eveyrthing a major equine hospital can do. You get to vets for the price of one with Eric and Kelly Carlson. let me know if you want their info. |
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| I may have asked you before, but have you had his spine xrayed? I had one that was sore all over and it turns out he was a kissing spine case. Might be worth it to check. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-24 2:19 PM Lameness locator appointment has been made for May 7th. Going to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to those of you who have legitimately tried to help without getting crabby or talking about me behind my back. To the rest of you - have fun acting like 3rd graders. Glad I could give you something to talk about amongst yourselves. Glad that you are taking Chance so hopefully you can find out what the heck is going on with him  , how far away is this Lameness Locator from you?
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    Location: Deep South | dashnlotti - 2014-04-23 10:29 AM bennie1 - 2014-04-22 8:56 AM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-21 6:56 PM dianeguinn - 2014-04-21 5:28 PM He's still sore. On the first barrel, he's striding really short with his back feet....more up and down instead of forward....almost stabbing them...and then runs across the pen with both back feet together instead of using them separately to push...in fact, he's not wanting to use his back end much at all...I'd guess now maybe hocks need injected or stifles blistered or maybe both. And maybe get a new vet.  I wish I had another close vet that worked on horses at all. It's going to be next Wednesday before I can take him anywhere else because all the other horse vets are 2+ hours away so I figured it was best to start with the vet 30 miles away and then do a bigger trip if needed. At the rate I'm going, I'm never going to be able to run Chance this year.  I am just going to add this.
Every single time I have thought my horse was sore, but chose to dink around with local vets instead of biting the bullet and driving the 200+ miles to a good vet, I have wasted hundreds of dollars and months of time when my horse could have been healing, instead of still trying the myriad of guesses on why they were sore. THIS!
I have several vets within a few miles from me. I call them for things like bloodwork, teeth, or meds. When I have a lameness problem, I go straight to the track vets which is about a 2 hour drive. That long day saves me a lot of time and guesswork. What I really love about them? They don't get ****y when I tell them my horse has seen a different vet since his last visit. They understand that I'm not hauling that far for "minor" things. But when I tell my at home vet that I took him and they injected his knee bc it had arthritis, he visibly got annoyed.
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       Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-04-24 2:57 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-24 2:19 PM Lameness locator appointment has been made for May 7th. Going to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to those of you who have legitimately tried to help without getting crabby or talking about me behind my back. To the rest of you - have fun acting like 3rd graders. Glad I could give you something to talk about amongst yourselves. Glad that you are taking Chance so hopefully you can find out what the heck is going on with him  , how far away is this Lameness Locator from you?
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       Location: Kansas | HDNAQHA - 2014-04-24 2:30 PM Have you thought about Heartland Equine Vet? They are amazing and have quite the credentials and they are close and can get you in faster then May 7th. They are working out of Mark Gratnys barn right now, as their shop gets finished in May, but they are state of the art and will be able to do eveyrthing a major equine hospital can do. You get to vets for the price of one with Eric and Kelly Carlson. let me know if you want their info.
Hmm.....I might be interested in that, if people are really having great luck finding lameness there, as they'd be a lot closer than Pryor OK, and I seem to spend a lot of time in that area already.......lol. Shoot me a FB message with their info as I'm not checking this nearly as often as I check my FB. |
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