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Location: Way up North | Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
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Location: So. California | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 12:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information.
If I remember correctly, it was at a cutting futurity in Utah where the 2011 cases originated from and started the spread to other events. Age was not a factor. |
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| Very Interesting Article on Shedding and Contracting.
http://www.aaep.org/custdocs/2012BurgessEHV1Saskatoon.pdf |
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| There likely is the option to vet out however I think the bigger issue is the welfare of the horses attending still and the other barrel racing events that are held in the following weeks. With a known outbreak still developing, to me it seems somewhat irresponsible as a producer to not cancel their event that is slated to occur in a known outbreak period. This is the domino effect right? This producer had their event and if other cases result because of it, other producers within the same region will ultimately have to pay for it as well. As others have said, if another case pops up, we will all have to wait even longer to get back to normal. Idk, the more I think about it the more it seems it should be postponed. They have a backup date, they should use it. IMO. |
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Location: North Dakota | I want to give a HUGE shoutout to the producers of the Triple Turn Classic in Bowman, ND! They made a very difficult decision but one that was good for the entire horse community and postponed their event that was suppose to be last weekend until October.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I wonder what is the possibility of moving the date of the R2R? I wonder if there are some open weekends at the RHRA later on this summer? I'm sure they have looked at this. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 1:01 PM Now after reading more about this, I'm having second thoughts about even going near the RHR even if I haul back and forth. They had an AQHA team penning at the RHR last weekend, and the turnout was pitiful. If we end up seeing a couple more cases up here in the aftermath of that, we can kiss barrel racing goodbye until the 4th of July, once the dust has settled, if we're lucky.
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Location: Minnesota | Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe
I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks.
I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses
So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 3:33 PM
I wonder what is the possibility of moving the date of the R2R? I wonder if there are some open weekends at the RHRA later on this summer? I'm sure they have looked at this.
Since I am not on FB and I couldn't find any updates on the R4R website I called the producer the beginning of April to find out if they were still having it since pre entries were due April 1st (prior to learning they had extended the deadline to mid April) and at that point they were still trying to decide if they were having it or not. I was told on the phone that they already had a backup date should they need to reschedule. So there is a backup date they already considered earlier this month prior to committing to go ahead w the race this weekend. |
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| Agreed I tried to Vet out saying my vet said it was unsafe for me to travel and could produce documents and I was told No. |
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Location: ND | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 3:42 PM Agreed I tried to Vet out saying my vet said it was unsafe for me to travel and could produce documents and I was told No.
i would say no to that request as well...... |
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Location: Way up North | SmokinGirlie - 2014-04-29 3:38 PM
AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today
What's on the website is a little misleading then. I certainly do not envy producers but it also puts us entered in a difficult position. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:46 PM
SmokinGirlie - 2014-04-29 3:38 PM
AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today
What's on the website is a little misleading then. I certainly do not envy producers but it also puts us entered in a difficult position.
Thats what I asked and I was told no because travel documents for being out of state are not required by them and having a vet say they will not give them is not a "vet out" |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Anniemae - 2014-04-29 2:14 PM
EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 12:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information.
If I remember correctly, it was at a cutting futurity in Utah where the 2011 cases originated from and started the spread to other events. Age was not a factor.
You are correct! It started in Ogden Utah (I lived not even 10 miles from the arena) and spread from there. They originally thought a draft horse had brought it in but I am still not sure if they ever traced it all back to one horse. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM
Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless.
Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse.
And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer. |
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Location: North Dakota | svincent - 2014-04-29 4:30 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all ). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse. And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer.
I do want to say that many people at this event coming up this weekend have well over $500 in fees invested. That is why it would be best for the producers to at least offer refunds! It would help those people make a decision that is best for them and their horse. I know it would be super hard for me to just kiss $500 out the window. I understand the health and life of my horse is much more important but that would be such a hard decision to make especially when you live paycheck to paycheck and you saved up for a long time for that entry fee. I find it very selfish to not cancel or offer refunds to those that are concerned. |
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Location: North Dakota | Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines?
ETA: The fact that they aren't requiring current health papers does not sit well with me either. I went to a run on Saturday that was a one day run without any stalling that required current health papers. If they feel the absolute need to have this weekend run during this current out-break at least require a VERY current health papers!
Edited by Just Bring It 2014-04-29 4:48 PM
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