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Location: Dubach, LA | musikmaker - 2014-05-08 2:41 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-07 2:55 PM Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. Do you have links to document that this Parent has a 'history' of the nature you are describing?
btw...Did you know that a police officers 'peace' cannot be disturbed? Lol...try to explain that one, though...they don't get it.
I have a history of being opinionated & vocal...is this against the law? Do I need to reevaluate my personality & change so I don't offend anyone...less I be arrested?
Interesting...how we've come to this point of 'pretend niceness'. Fake sincerity.
I prefer honest emotion over phoniness, myself. And I guarantee that being nice gets you nowhere...well look around! This is what it's gotten us so far.
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Location: west of East Texas | To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
So where and when should he voice his concerns? His daughter is required to read the book right now.
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Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral?
Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do?
And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child!
I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right?
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Location: west of East Texas | Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn. |
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Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
In regards to the zero grade:
How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child.
Oh BTW, do You have Children?
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
I agree with you on this and apploud you for trying to help others understand that being proactive and WORK WITH the schools instead of critizing. We have a wonderful Board that will question the materials that are being adopted into the school district, however they are getting older and I don't know who will be willing to replace them when they are no longer able to participate on the Board. Most of our Board members are current & past educators. There are so many more issues that a School Board of Directors and you sure don't see any one standing in line to take over for them. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
There are times when a parent must stand up and say, "NO!!!"...loudly, aggressively...even to the point of violence against those who would violate his daughter...and that IS a violation. I refuse to be nice to someone messing with my family in that manner & I will not apologize for it.
This issue isn't one to be discussed or decided on by a school board...porn isn't an option in our schools.
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Location: west of East Texas | I never said I disagreed with the Dad. I just know from experience that his method was ineffective. My additional comments were to try and open the eyes of those that haven't ever been involved in this type of setting. Too many people sit back, don't get involved, don't understand the procedures, don't research the candidates, don't become a candidate, don't vote in the elections, then BAM.......... condemn anyone associated with the governance they forgot to participate in.
FH - I can tell from your other posts that you ARE more active than the average bear in many things. I don't always agree with your opinions but KUDOS to you for basing them on your own research and inquiries.
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | foundation horse - 2014-05-09 11:04 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
In regards to the zero grade:
How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child.
Oh BTW, do You have Children?
Do you if this father was given other options? Do you know if he was willing and open to work with the teacher on this situation? Was this father willing to communicate and work with the school BEFORE attending the Board Meeting and creating a chaotic atmosphere? Do you know any of this situation prior to the Board Meeting? |
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| From a teacher's standpoint: 99.9% of the time the school board ALWAYS take the parent's side because the school board is composed of elected officials. In our district you better just watch EVERYTHING you do as a teacher. I can give 100s of examples but the main point I want to make is this man went looking to make a show and he had been to numerous other meetings. We have crazy parents like this all the time who will drink, cuss, have boyfriend's and girlfriend's over for the night (oh and believe me teachers get to hear the lovely headboard banging on the wall stories), but these same parents will run to the school board to complain over suggestive literature that really isn't even as suggestive as the bible. Basically the educational system in general is as broken as our government and unless your down in the trenches you have NO idea.
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Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn. I agree with you on this and apploud you for trying to help others understand that being proactive and WORK WITH the schools instead of critizing. We have a wonderful Board that will question the materials that are being adopted into the school district, however they are getting older and I don't know who will be willing to replace them when they are no longer able to participate on the Board. Most of our Board members are current & past educators. There are so many more issues that a School Board of Directors and you sure don't see any one standing in line to take over for them.
Let me state this as straightforward as I can.
The School Board is an elected group by The Voters of Said School District.
Therefore said School Board is required to be accountable to Voters/Parents of said School District. Which means that this School Board in this Thread is accountable to the Dad that The School Board had arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct'.
This particular Dad's technique may seem or be alittle unoxthrodox and even offensive to some, however, The 1st Amendment guarantees that Right to Individuals.
I will have go back in this thread and c'n'p the School Board Policy that is absolutely Socialist/Communist in content and of orgin.
The School Board Policy is referenced in a later post.
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Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-09 11:04 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
In regards to the zero grade:
How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child.
Oh BTW, do You have Children?
No, I do not. I stated that this story was suspect in its completeness from the Dad's Side already. Do You know if the Dad attempted any other recourse prior to this? |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | One more thing...our school district always invites parents to participate in the school adoptions and to review the selected materials prior to the School Board adopting those materials. |
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Location: North Texas | foundation horse - 2014-05-06 9:27 PM The following is what The School Board has to say:
“The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website ) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.”
Note highlighted text.
Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board?
Later excerpt from article:
Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism.
“Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.”
I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this!
I would like to reaffirm or state what this School Board's stated Policy is that has publicized in the Highlighted Yellow.
This is for the benefits of those who are supporting this School Board. Have Ya'll read this piece? Or upon reading it, agree with it? |
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Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:25 PM One more thing...our school district always invites parents to participate in the school adoptions and to review the selected materials prior to the School Board adopting those materials.
Your School Board sounds pretty reasonalble and family oriented quite the opposite of the One depicted in this Thread.
Please review the complete Thread and it attached Articles. |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | foundation horse - 2014-05-09 10:39 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral?
Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do?
And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child!
I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right?
This is where I am questioning you in regards to whether or not the father has done anything to rectify the situation instead of blowing it up. |
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Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:30 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-09 10:39 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral?
Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do?
And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child!
I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right?
This is where I am questioning you in regards to whether or not the father has done anything to rectify the situation instead of blowing it up.
As I have previously stated Twice, I do not know if The Father attempted any other Recourse prior to this publicized event. I am not aware of any history prior to this event either negative or positive. |
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Location: west of East Texas | Yes, I have 5 children both in and out of school. He also could have protected his child by taking the book away from her. Just like I turn the TV off, pull the plug on the computer and scroll around on the cell phones at my house. I have a junior in high school right now looking at scholarship qualifications. I have already been through several rounds of scholarship applications with older children. I've run for and held office. I've attended years of school and county meetings simply to keep informed and realize that more action can be taken through committess and task force involvment than within the confines of a board seat. I volunteer for these. I am on a first name basis with the Superintendent, the Principals, the Counselors and most elected officials in my county.
I promise you, one zero will not impact my child's final GPA. His First Amendment right allows him to pull a publicity stunt in many places, just not then and there. I'm not disagreeing with his right to parent his child. |
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Location: North Texas | I found background reference for this event.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140507/NEWS0606/140509323/0/NEWS03
Excerpt
The superintendent said Baer did follow school policy and met with Gilford High School Principal Peter Sawyer about the issue Monday afternoon, before the meeting.
So per this report William Baer did follow protocol.
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