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     Location: NOT at Wal Mart | bris2125 - 2014-11-19 11:20 AM
Lmao, I have come to believe you are the Doctor of Quackery. I didn't realize that a DVM came with a MD. Lucky you.
For those that actually have experience with this, thank you for your input.
DVM came with a MD, priceless..... |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I love this one....this says it all:
"Since ozone helps with the healing of any problem, it can be added to any treatment protocol."
So it helps in the healing of any problem. They just throw that out there as a definitive statement, yet they offer no proof....no study....just a blanket statement. |
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      Location: Beggs, OK | Did no one else see #12. it works on Equine Infectious Anemia??? |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-11-19 1:54 PM
I have to respond with my experience since it has been stated that those against ozone therapy have never used it. I had a very sick 400# steer- pneumonia. A vet gave him iv medical grade ozone gas via iv. Within 10 minutes steer was dead!
A very dear friend had hodgkins cancer. Friend wanted to try holistic therapy instead of traditional chemo. Friend underwent 6 months of ozone treatment which caused the cancer to increase exponentially. Doctors explained that while ozone may increase good cells and cell activity it also increases the bad cells and cell activity.
I currently have a horse being treated for epm. Vet who endorses ozone has repeatedly asked to treat my horse free of charge just to show me that ozone therapy works. The vet treating my horse for epm has instucted me not to treat with ozone since ozone may stimulate the protazoa to increase production as well.
This is called an "air embolism". I can't imagine any vet doing something like this. I wonder how many other animals he euthanized this way. |
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      Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | rachellyn80 - 2014-11-20 1:07 PM Did no one else see #12. it works on Equine Infectious Anemia???
  
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | bris2125 - 2014-11-19 12:52 PM
Again, I don't know. I wasn't there, nor do I know exactly how it works. This is the best info if have found that is short enough to post that is still detain in explaining the oxygen atoms and how to administer it.
Ozone and other oxygen therapies have been used for over 100 years around the world for human and animal healing. These therapies continue to gain popularity, as scientists learn about the health benefits of increased oxygen in the body. Currently, ozone therapy and hyperbaric treatments, which bring easily soluble oxygen to target tissues, are being proven effective for treating viruses, fungi and bacteria, and for general health improvement anytime there is inflammation and damaged tissue. In addition to medical uses, ozone is a great disinfectant used for livestock water tanks, cattle embryo transfer(tt), swimming pools, spas and the water treatment systems of over 2,000 municipalities around the world.
How it works
Ozone contains three oxygen atoms, which react in the tissue as it breaks down to ordinary oxygen (O2) and a reactive singlet oxygen molecule that can combine with chemicals and other molecules. Free from side effects, this is an extremely safe therapy that works in a number of ways by:
1. Decreasing inflammation. When you have inflammation, swelling, bruising, infection, cancer and trauma to the tissue, there are higher amounts of carbon dioxide within the tissue. This increase of carbon dioxide contributes to inflammation and pain. Increasing the amount of oxygen delivered to the tissue in the form of reactive ozone decreases inflammation, pain and swelling, and helps increase healing.
2. Activating the immune system. Ozone therapy has also been shown to activate the immune system by stimulating cytokine production. Cytokines are “messenger cells”, such as interferons and interleukins, which “set off a cascade reaction of positive changes throughout the immune system.”(t). Ozone also promotes the production of glutathione peroxidase, catalase, reductase and super-oxide dismutase, the enzymes forming the cell wall coating; thereby enhancing cellular immunity. 3. Inactivating bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast and protozoa. Healthy cells are surrounded by an enzyme coating, which ozone does not penetrate, but bacteria and viruses have no such coatings. Ozone therapy disrupts the integrity of the bacterial cell envelope through oxidation of the phospholipids and lipoproteins (peroxidation). In viruses, this peroxidation disrupts the reproductive cycle and damages the viral capsid. In fungi, ozone inhibits cell growth. Consider chronic otitis, which often has multiple organisms as primary or secondary invaders; this explains the efficacy of ozone treatment.
Administration options
Since ozone helps with the healing of any problem, it can be added to any treatment protocol.
1. Percolate into saline fluids to be used as a flush (decreases inflammation and pain) to wounds, bladder, rectum, ear, nose, mouth; enema; IV or SQ fluids to be absorbed through the capillaries of the subcutaneous tissue.
2. Percolate through olive oil with or without essential oils for the skin.
3. As a gas via a catheter, internally, or by sealing a wounded area in a bag (old fluid bags work well). It will be absorbed through the caudal rectal vein.
4. Injected as a gas into joints with a prolotherapy injection (prolozone). Human study1 showed efficacy in pain relief for many conditions.
An added technique using ozone is Biophotonic Blood Therapy (BBT), in which blood is infused with ozone, exposed to ultraviolet light in a crystal cuvette, and then given back to the patient. Also called Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, it has been used worldwide for over 50 years for an array of medical conditions. It may be more effective than mere ozone for stimulating cytokines and activating the mitochondria in each cell to strengthen an animal’s immune system.
Ozone preparation
Oxygen as a single molecule is highly unstable and exists for only microseconds in nature. However, when two oxygen atoms unite to share electrons, they form an oxygen molecule, referred to as O2. This molecule is very stable, and comprises the form of oxygen found in the atmosphere. To create ozone, pure surgical oxygen (ordinary air cannot be used as it has 20% nitrogen which would be converted to nitrous oxide and nitric oxide, both highly toxic) is flowed through a glass tube (do not use models with plastic tubing). A low voltage electrical spark is then applied through the outside of the tube. This briefly splits the paired oxygen atoms, most of which reform into pairs within microseconds. A small percentage of the individual oxygen atoms form triplets – ozone (O3). The ozone produced exists in a very active form for about 30 minutes before breaking down (dismutating) into two atoms of oxygen, which are very easily absorbed into the cells, by giving up one atom of singlet oxygen. Ozone will dismutate at a rate of 50% every 45 minutes in glass, and every 30 minutes in plastic. Therefore the ozone cannot be stored and used later.
Uses are many and varied
Any time there are infections or inflammation, tissue damage or abnormal cellular proliferation, ozone can be use to support treatments, conventional or holistic. A few examples are:
1. Skin – wounds, especially degloving ones and deep abrasions; hot spots; pyodermas; allergic dermatitis; abscesses
2. Pain relief
3. Head trauma, spinal cord inflammation–ozone and oxygen go through the blood/brain barrier so it is an excellent way to aid treatment of any neurological issue
4. Chronic and acute Lyme disease
5. Mouth–stomatitis, gingivitis, abscesses; ozone therapy is ADA-approved for dental abscesses
6. Cancer and autoimmune problems
7. Ears – chronic and acute otitis from bacteria or yeast; aural hematomas
8. Eyes – infections and allergic reactions
9. Upper respiratory ailments
10. Potentiates acupuncture, homeopathy and chiropractic treatments as it brings more needed oxygen to the body
11. GI tract – constipation, diarrhea, IBS (decreases inflammation)
12. Equine infectious anemia
Integrating ozone into your veterinary clinic protocols gives you a wonderful opportunity to use something very natural and sustainable that can reduce and possibly prevent the overuse of antibiotics and drugs. Technicians can administer ozone in most of its applications. As a holistic integrative veterinarian, I think it potentiates some of the other natural modalities I use, such as acupuncture, homeopathy, herbs and chiropractic. Antibiotics are also more effective with ozone as an adjunct. It is also a practice builder, since clients are searching for supportive ways to help their pets. With training, pet owners can get an ozone unit and administer it in a variety of ways themselves. Because ozone is antiviral, it should be a must for any animal shelter that deals with a lot of infectious viruses.
A veterinary certification course is now offered by the American Academy of Ozonotherapy AAOT (aaot.us).You can also contact veterinarians using ozone therapy for their own experiences and case reports at the AHVMA (ahvma.org).
I'll ask again, please identify the source of the C&P. Is that asking too much? |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2014-11-19 1:49 PM I love alternative therapies deemed quakery as they always seem to help me more the modern medicine.
Seriously. I'm not prejudiced about evidence based or anecdotal, I just want it to work. And I've seen some freaky chit work wonders as well as snake oil BS.
I had someone the other day ask for a citation (or it didn't happen) after I said Monsanto had been sued for violating anti-trust laws with glyphosate production and pricing schemes. I knew about it because I signed onto the class action lawsuit, but it was dismissed by a federal judge. Citation my butt--it's a long fall off that high horse.
I struggle with science tho, truly I do, because OTOH you have people saying things like "my brother got hepatitis B after eating GMOs." Say huh? So I don't know if I'm hypocritical or discerning. LOL |
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        Location: ND | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-19 2:17 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-11-19 1:49 PM I love alternative therapies deemed quakery as they always seem to help me more the modern medicine. Â
 Seriously.  I'm not prejudiced about evidence based or anecdotal, I just want it to work.  And I've seen some freaky chit work wonders as well as snake oil BS.Â
I had someone the other day ask for a citation (or it didn't happen) after I said Monsanto had been sued for violating anti-trust laws with glyphosate production and pricing schemes. Â I knew about it because I signed onto the class action lawsuit, but it was dismissed by a federal judge. Â Citation my butt--it's a long fall off that high horse.
I struggle with science tho, truly I do, because OTOH you have people saying things like "my brother got hepatitis B after eating GMOs." Â Say huh? Â So I don't know if I'm hypocritical or discerning. Â LOL
holy!!!! i don't want to get hepatitis.....damn farmers.... |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-19 2:17 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-11-19 1:49 PM I love alternative therapies deemed quakery as they always seem to help me more the modern medicine. Â
 Seriously.  I'm not prejudiced about evidence based or anecdotal, I just want it to work.  And I've seen some freaky chit work wonders as well as snake oil BS.Â
I had someone the other day ask for a citation (or it didn't happen) after I said Monsanto had been sued for violating anti-trust laws with glyphosate production and pricing schemes. Â I knew about it because I signed onto the class action lawsuit, but it was dismissed by a federal judge. Â Citation my butt--it's a long fall off that high horse.
I struggle with science tho, truly I do, because OTOH you have people saying things like "my brother got hepatitis B after eating GMOs." Â Say huh? Â So I don't know if I'm hypocritical or discerning. Â LOL
Unfortunately you cannot argue with statements like this. There's no real way of proving it one way or another. We all see this regularly. Someone can say, "I know someone who had (this or that) happen...." That's how testimonials get their appeal. This is an important tool for people who promote things that have no scientific basis. We all succumb to things that probably don't have a perfectly scientific basis from time to time. Hopefully those things do not pose a risk to life. I like magnetic blankets for my horses, for example.
But when you promote a remedy that has been soundly refuted time and again, and that remedy has the potential of being deadly to humans or animals, that's another matter. People have gone to jail for their ozone remedies. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 2:30 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-19 2:17 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-19 1:49 PM I love alternative therapies deemed quakery as they always seem to help me more the modern medicine. Seriously. I'm not prejudiced about evidence based or anecdotal, I just want it to work. And I've seen some freaky chit work wonders as well as snake oil BS.
I had someone the other day ask for a citation (or it didn't happen) after I said Monsanto had been sued for violating anti-trust laws with glyphosate production and pricing schemes. I knew about it because I signed onto the class action lawsuit, but it was dismissed by a federal judge. Citation my butt--it's a long fall off that high horse.
I struggle with science tho, truly I do, because OTOH you have people saying things like "my brother got hepatitis B after eating GMOs." Say huh? So I don't know if I'm hypocritical or discerning. LOL holy!!!! i don't want to get hepatitis.....damn farmers....
Farmers: controlling the population one unsuspecting idiot at a time. |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | rachellyn80 - 2014-11-19 2:07 PM
Did no one else see #12. Â it works on Equine Infectious Anemia???Â
I missed that! Wow! This is revolutionary! |
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    Location: Midwest | http://issuu.com/redstonemediagroup/docs/ivc_v3i4_digital |
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        Location: ND | maybe we can finally be rid of the stupid coggins test for travelling.......seriously.....worthless...... esp when we can just pump medical grade ozone into our trailers ventilation system..... |
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This is her source for the above
Considering this is a magazine that is also promoting Horse Hair Analysis, I will just let this one sit here for a bit. |
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cytauxzoonsis.......that is an awesome word!!!! |
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        Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 2:39 PM This is her source for the above
Considering this is a magazine that is also promoting Horse Hair Analysis, I will just let this one sit here for a bit.
this is why 'medical journals' are so useful.........and why you can't blame people for being gullible...... |
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          Location: Washington | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 12:41 PM cytauxzoonsis.......that is an awesome word!!!!
Bless you...... |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 2:39 PM
This is her source for the above
Considering this is a magazine that is also promoting Horse Hair Analysis, I will just let this one sit here for a bit.
Well, there you have it, |
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        Location: ND | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-19 2:49 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 2:39 PM This is her source for the above
Considering this is a magazine that is also promoting Horse Hair Analysis, I will just let this one sit here for a bit. Well, there you have it,
Dr Oz would be proud as well....... |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 1:32 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 1:16 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 1:05 PM but i'm quite curious at this point....
how exactly do you give ozone IV????  I'm guessing the blood method... Blood is drawn, exposed to ozone mix, and dropped back in
i don't see how one could IV a gas
unless they are talking about IV peroxide???Â
You are right- I have no experience with this method, and that is because it sounds potentially dangerous. I asked for an explanation on the first page and was ignored.
i don't want an opinion from a damn scientist that doesn't know shit!!!!!!!!!
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My friend is a genius Scientist! So, sit on it Potsie! |
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