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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA.
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start.
That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal. |
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Location: The South | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 4:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
Ditto! Thank you to everyone that helped inform us all about this. I no longer buy ADM products and I changed the whole oats I feed. I probably wouldn't know what an ionophore was today if it wasn't for BHW. Thank you thank you! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
I get that too from them. I stopped using their feed. I am back to just soaking alfalfa and beet pellets for some and Purina Active Senior to the others. Weanlings are going to get Ultium Growth. |
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Location: sunny california | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-05 6:05 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
that is what I am feeding my weanlings. I am just irritated that we are left with so few choices. If it doesn't make a difference to adm then that is just more of a reason to not buy from them |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:26 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-05 6:05 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Nevertooold - 2015-10-05 6:56 PM 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. What is a BA?
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Location: CTX | Wow, how is it that there are still people that feed this stuff. With all the media outlets we have it is not exactly a secret this has been happening!!
I know I learned a lot on this forum, and am very grateful for that!! I just hope more people will do what we have done and change their grain regimen.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-10-05 7:56 PM 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. What is a BA?
Witch spelled with a B.
I still see people who have numerous horses with "ulcers, unexplained colics, etc", feeding the same feed I fed and getting it from the same mill in GA who won't listen. I guess at this point, I can say they, the horse owners, are bringing this on themselves and hurting their horses intentionally. Why, I don't know. For attention? STOP FEEDING PATRIOT FEED FROM THE CORDELE GA FEED MILL!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 3canstorun - 2015-10-06 8:08 AM
NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up.
Which one in Florida? Is this a sweet feed or a pellet?
Does ADM still make the grostrong mineral? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | They do still make Gro-strong. There is also a medicated version of it, so I quit that too. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | RnRJack - 2015-10-06 9:17 AM 3canstorun - 2015-10-06 8:08 AM NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up. Which one in Florida? Is this a sweet feed or a pellet? Does ADM still make the grostrong mineral?
It was a farm in FL who fed the posioned feed.
What people are not getting is that ADM is using old reports and is saying that levels of monension is fine. IT IS NOT SAFE FOR HORSES AT ANY LEVEL.
Ask your vet, call FSU, Call GA, Call Auburn. Read on the internet.
If you trust ADM and the fact that monension is fine for your horse, then you deserve the outcome and loss.
Unfortunately, your horse does not and I think you are a bad horse owner.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Their sources are outdated...and their press release made no sense. If it takes as much of this poison to make a horse sick as they are saying that it does, then why even mention it? If a horse ate that much of anything they would die no matter what it was.
http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20PDFs/Monensin%20and%20Horses%20The%20Facts%20Final.pdf |
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Location: Oklahoma | It really blows my mind that people continue to feed their horses feed manufactured in unsafe mills. I wouldn't feed my daughter anything if I had the knowledge that it could potentially harm her... |
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Location: Deep South | NJJ - 2015-10-06 7:36 AM
Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
A client of mine had switched her horse to ADM feeds, 8 weeks later he "coliced" and died.
She did not have him or feed tested, but I don't think it was a coincidence. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | NJJ - 2015-10-06 7:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
How many people do you know that even consider their feed as being the source of a horses illness, lameness, or death? We are conditioned to think that concentrates are necessary and trust that they are safe to feed our horses.
This type of toxicity is extremely hard to recognize and nearly impossible to prove without a feed test, necropsy, and lots of documentation. Even the people that I have had contact me because of sick horses just switched feed and didn't test theirs, much less report it! This is the single most underreported issue in the horse industry today because it's expensive to have the feed tested and most people don't even know to look....Vets don't even think of it at first.
Can you imagine how many fewer colics we would have if people didn't feed concentrated feeds at all? |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Are their minerals bad too? I know a lot of people including myself who have fed the grostrong mineral, I have never had any colic but a local feed mill adds that mineral to their special blend feed with no fillers? |
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