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cranky B4 10am
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I am not religious, but I can see how people get upset about this. And to be honest if there was a rodeo I was at had an imam do a prayer I would walk away. 
I know, not all of them are extremists, but like already said by someone, that religion promotes hatred against all other religions. And if the muslims would ever come to rule this country we would be in deep deep doodoo! And a foot or so shorter.
I was deployed in the middle east once, and my husband five times, to fight for freedom.... so even though every organization has the freedom to do what they please, I hope most people will take that freedom to walk away and not support that organization anymore.
Just my two cents.

 
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cranky B4 10am - 2015-01-28 7:31 PM I am not religious, but I can see how people get upset about this. And to be honest if there was a rodeo I was at had an imam do a prayer I would walk away. 
I know, not all of them are extremists, but like already said by someone, that religion promotes hatred against all other religions. And if the muslims would ever come to rule this country we would be in deep deep doodoo! And a foot or so shorter.
I was deployed in the middle east once, and my husband five times, to fight for freedom.... so even though every organization has the freedom to do what they please, I hope most people will take that freedom to walk away and not support that organization anymore.
Just my two cents.

 
      I agree and why now is all this taking over america? Our president shows them more respect then he does our troops .....and look at the world now.. ... this is not ok.. and Id have left to.

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Bibliafarm - 2015-01-27 8:23 PM

cranky B4 10am - 2015-01-28 7:31 PM I am not religious, but I can see how people get upset about this. And to be honest if there was a rodeo I was at had an imam do a prayer I would walk away. 
I know, not all of them are extremists, but like already said by someone, that religion promotes hatred against all other religions. And if the muslims would ever come to rule this country we would be in deep deep doodoo! And a foot or so shorter.
I was deployed in the middle east once, and my husband five times, to fight for freedom.... so even though every organization has the freedom to do what they please, I hope most people will take that freedom to walk away and not support that organization anymore.
Just my two cents.

 
      I agree and why now is all this taking over america? Our president shows them more respect then he does our troops .....and look at the world now.. ... this is not ok.. and Id have left to.

Agree
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Posted 2015-01-28 8:25 PM
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Blows my mind, some of the comments here. This country is heading for a fall. When people honestly defend, or just as bad, see nothing wrong with letting a Muslim pray before a rodeo, we got a problem.

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Posted 2015-01-28 8:39 PM
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Bigfoot - 2015-01-28 8:25 PM

Blows my mind, some of the comments here. This country is heading for a fall. When people honestly defend, or just as bad, see nothing wrong with letting a Muslim pray before a rodeo, we got a problem.


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yankeeredneck - 2015-01-28 9:08 AM

 http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/28/calf-ropers-angry-over-new-prca-regulation

PRCA released a statement saying that they had discussed changes to the tiedown roping but there was no voting involved and that it will be further discussed
http://prorodeo.com/news-display/2015/01/28/prca-board-of-directors...

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Posted 2015-01-29 6:03 AM
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FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it...

The below highlighted explains exactly why You don't understand and therefore 'don't have a problem' with this...............Read, comprehend and understand The Bible and then get back with me. In the event You do not change Your position..............Then there is nothing else for You and I to ever discuss again.
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:07 AM
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FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:21 AM
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FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it...
You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...

Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.

Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.


 
Allah is Arabic for God.... Allah in translation is God. Why wouldn't they be the same?

Obiviously You have not taken the time to study God's Word in The Bible vs Allah's Word in The Quran.............................
Elsewise, You would NOT be making this statement.


 
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foundation horse
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:09 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2015-01-28 10:46 AM Our country WAS FOUNDED on freedom of Religion. It WAS NOT FOUNDED on CHRISTIAN religion only. Yes the founding fathers were mostly Christian but we have no official religion in this country. WOuld you all of had issue with a CHRISTIAN prayer before the rodeo? Course not. Thats why I think there should be NO religious speaking before a rodeo. Fair is fair. If you want protection from God ( Whomever you believe in) say a prayer to yourself before you compete. Pray to the God you think will have the most influence on your performance and help you stay safe.

Study U.S. History, specifically early 1800s and President Thomas Jefferson dealings with Barbary (Islamist) Pirates in Tripoly Libya. Then get back to me on American/Islamic Relations.................................
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Murphy - 2015-01-28 11:02 AM

CrossDRanch - 2015-01-28 12:00 PM I have been watching "Sons of Liberty" this week......our government/country is not far from what lead to revolution.

I've been watching some of this too. However, there is A LOT of inaccurate information in the show. History posted a disclaimer saying the show is based primarely on fiction.  

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Posted 2015-01-29 6:12 AM
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komet. - 2015-01-28 11:15 AM
GLP - 2015-01-28 10:55 AM This country was founded on christian principles not muslim principles. We would be just as backward as they are now if it were. I don't want them to get a strong foothold over here. I love being a woman but if I had to live by their principles and rules I would absolutely hate it.
This country was founded by people that believed in freedom to follow a religion of their choice. Just because there were more Christians does not mean it is the only belief allowed. Based on what you have said so far we might as well throw out all the Baptists because of the Phelps family.. Oh, and all the Mormons because of Joseph Smith. Who else do you want to evict from this "free" country?

Again, I refer to U.S. American circa 1803 and President Thomas Jefferson's dealing with Barbary(Islamist) Pirates in Tripoly Libya........................
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:13 AM
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-01-28 11:18 AM
ridejg - 2015-01-28 10:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it...
You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...

Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.

Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.


 
This is the problem I have with religion...  How are to say your "GOD" is the one and only??? There are so many forms of religions in this world... Who is to say one is right over the other? How do we know one is correct over the other? We can't. We pick which one we choose to believe in and have faith in what we believe. The whole world is obviously NOT Christian.... so does that make everyone else in the world that isnt Christian, ignorant or just flat out going to hell?   We must be tolerant to other people's beliefs... that is the only way we will stop all the hate going on in the world towards one an other.

'Man' does not. God DOES! Read The Bible. Don't trust Man, trust God!

 
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:17 AM
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Fairweather - 2015-01-28 12:36 PM I am a Christian Methodist. 



People like to point at the Muslim faith and say they're violent......but yet in the Old Testement God ordered every living breathing thing including children killed. The Old Testement states a witch shouldn't be allowed to live and Christians burned people alive for suspecting they were a witch. Look at the crusades as well. Today Christians kill blacks still for their skin color or gays for their preference. Many churches don't allow women to speak in church and the wives still walk three steps behind, not to mention the child marriages and molestation that goes on in certain Christian denominations. 



Are terrorists Muslim? Yes. But I don't think it's the religion that is the problem because Christians have been just as violent and our Bible is just as violent in the Old Testement. 



I think the problem is the CULTURE of the middle east. Muslim or not, they stone their own daughters for certain things and women are no better than livestock. That thinking again is in non-muslim households. 



We hate Muslims because they hate Christians and yet we Christians do the exact same thing by hating them. Where does it stop? 



Yes, rodeo is an American Christian tradition. Times are changing and more than traditional Christians are attending. So I don't have a problem with non-denominational prayer regardless of who gives it-- God listens to my heart and what I am praying at that moment. 



Besides, a lot of our Holidays that we enjoy originated from the exact same thing that everyone is fussing about. It was Christians trying to find a way to common ground and not offend because when you offend you definitely don't win any souls over. 



I just think there's more than one side. 

I would challenge Ya'll to review this presenatation and then comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&sns=fb

There is a specific reference to The Crusades.


 
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:18 AM
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Phoenix98 - 2015-01-28 1:20 PM I've read the (english translations of) the Bible (NIV and KJV) and Quran. Allah *****IS***** the exact same GOD as Yahweh. He is Abraham's God. In Islam, Abraham is a prophet, the father of both the Arabs and the Jews, through his sons. Some of the stories are nearly identical to Old Testament tales. There are more similarities between Islam and Christianity than most self-proclaimed Christians are willing to accept. Keep religion (all of them) out of government and we're all safer.

Then why does Allah condone to the point of calling for the killing of Infidels or die?
 
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LP22654 - 2015-01-28 12:53 PM I have been to 4 different denominations of Christian faith churches. I'm proud to say I have never experienced any of the things your having reference to. They all believed in God! No one ever killed blacks or hurt gays in any way or children! That is Satan at work! I'm sorry but I would like to know the denomination that you are talking about. This the way I see it: We are all going to the same heaven or hell!
Look at Westboro Baptist. To say all Baptists are like Westboro Baptist is like saying all Muslims are all terrorists.  
How many people have the Baptists killed in the last 20 years?
 The KKK in its heyday was primarily Baptist. There are still many, many closet KKK members that are Baptist. A lot of extremist groups in the U.S. consider themselves of a Christian faith.



Komet good point - I think the IRA is a primarily Catholic.....of course according to many of the small churches here the Catholics aren't Christian-- that is a whole other discussion.



You have to look much further than a religion label.  

The KKK were also primiarly Democrats too...................
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Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:08 PM What a disgrace to America and all Americans.
I wonder what the native Americans would have to say. Technically they're the original American. 
Thats right, we raped and pillaged, but have evolved past that while the muslims are just catching their stride it seems...
 Again, being Muslim is not the issue.



The culture in that part of the world is the problem.



Not all people in the middle east are Muslim. 

No, but the overwhelming majority are, due to Islam's "Convert or die" concept.
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Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:08 PM What a disgrace to America and all Americans.
I wonder what the native Americans would have to say. Technically they're the original American. 
Thats right, we raped and pillaged, but have evolved past that while the muslims are just catching their stride it seems...
 Again, being Muslim is not the issue.



The culture in that part of the world is the problem.



Not all people in the middle east are Muslim. 
No, but the overwhelming majority are, due to Islam's "Convert or die" concept.

And that is exaclty how it was in Europe during the crusades and in the dark ages. That is where these muslims are at right now, woman have no vote, they are just there to please men. And if you dare to believe in any other religion you will be an outcast. Is that really where we want to go again. I think not.....
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Posted 2015-01-29 6:49 AM
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cranky B4 10am - 2015-01-29 6:47 AM
foundation horse - 2015-01-29 6:27 AM
Fairweather - 2015-01-28 3:45 PM
Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:37 PM
Fairweather - 2015-01-28 3:12 PM
Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:08 PM What a disgrace to America and all Americans.
I wonder what the native Americans would have to say. Technically they're the original American. 
Thats right, we raped and pillaged, but have evolved past that while the muslims are just catching their stride it seems...
 Again, being Muslim is not the issue.



The culture in that part of the world is the problem.



Not all people in the middle east are Muslim. 
No, but the overwhelming majority are, due to Islam's "Convert or die" concept.
And that is exaclty how it was in Europe during the crusades and in the dark ages. That is where these muslims are at right now, woman have no vote, they are just there to please men. And if you dare to believe in any other religion you will be an outcast. Is that really where we want to go again. I think not.....


Please watch the Youtube link I posted. It validates everything I am posting on this thread!

 
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cranky B4 10am
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Posted 2015-01-29 8:44 AM
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Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:37 PM
Fairweather - 2015-01-28 3:12 PM
Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:08 PM What a disgrace to America and all Americans.
I wonder what the native Americans would have to say. Technically they're the original American. 
Thats right, we raped and pillaged, but have evolved past that while the muslims are just catching their stride it seems...
 Again, being Muslim is not the issue.



The culture in that part of the world is the problem.



Not all people in the middle east are Muslim. 
No, but the overwhelming majority are, due to Islam's "Convert or die" concept.
And that is exaclty how it was in Europe during the crusades and in the dark ages. That is where these muslims are at right now, woman have no vote, they are just there to please men. And if you dare to believe in any other religion you will be an outcast. Is that really where we want to go again. I think not.....


Please watch the Youtube link I posted. It validates everything I am posting on this thread!



 

I sure will when I get home tonight. Youtube is blocked at work...
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Posted 2015-01-29 8:53 AM
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cranky B4 10am - 2015-01-29 8:44 AM
foundation horse - 2015-01-29 6:49 AM
cranky B4 10am - 2015-01-29 6:47 AM
foundation horse - 2015-01-29 6:27 AM
Fairweather - 2015-01-28 3:45 PM
Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:37 PM
Fairweather - 2015-01-28 3:12 PM
Itsme - 2015-01-28 3:08 PM What a disgrace to America and all Americans.
I wonder what the native Americans would have to say. Technically they're the original American. 
Thats right, we raped and pillaged, but have evolved past that while the muslims are just catching their stride it seems...
 Again, being Muslim is not the issue.



The culture in that part of the world is the problem.



Not all people in the middle east are Muslim. 
No, but the overwhelming majority are, due to Islam's "Convert or die" concept.
And that is exaclty how it was in Europe during the crusades and in the dark ages. That is where these muslims are at right now, woman have no vote, they are just there to please men. And if you dare to believe in any other religion you will be an outcast. Is that really where we want to go again. I think not.....


Please watch the Youtube link I posted. It validates everything I am posting on this thread!



 
I sure will when I get home tonight. Youtube is blocked at work...

Gotcha.
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