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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself and he is still alive! I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!! Triple Crown has Nutrena mixing a lot of their feed. I was getting a lot of inconsistency since they started this so I quit feeding it.
Don't give them all of your evidence as it will disappear.
This just makes me sick for everyone.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself with no other options left and he is still alive. I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!!
Those symptoms sounds very suspicious. I would definitely have some blood drawn and check his cardiac troponin. Its an enzyme that will elevate when the heart has been damaged, but it's very short lived and will go back down.
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Location: East Texas | Oh Forgot to add. They did a blood panel. It was strange because he had extremely low White blood cell count and his red blood cell count was very high. I will try and post a picture of the blood work results CRUD some of the picture is cut off, I will try and get a better one tonight
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Location: Texas | Well, so much for me continuing to feed pellets. I always rationalize that it is simpler for me to feed. But the mill that makes it, also makes cattle feed - so no more.
I called the local mill where I always bought my bulk oats to see if they make any medicated feed, and they don't. So I'm going to transition all of mine back to oats.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 1:42 PM In the case of trace amounts it's due to residue in the mixer or a mixing issue itself. That means that any feed whether it's pellets or not would be possibly contaminated if proper procedures are not followed.
Knowing that processes and procedures are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to follow them....I would prefer to remove the risk completely. Medicated cattle feed should not be produced in a facility that produces horse feed.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 1:50 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself with no other options left and he is still alive. I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!! Those symptoms sounds very suspicious. I would definitely have some blood drawn and check his cardiac troponin. Its an enzyme that will elevate when the heart has been damaged, but it's very short lived and will go back down.
Have the feed tested for sure. OADDL only charges $100
Thank you for sharing this info
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Location: Florida.. | Here is another link news magazine that had andrews story..
http://eventingnation.com/home/32-horses-in-andrew-palmers-barn-exposed-to-monensin/
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
Thats scary. I WAS feeding safechoice. had a lot of corn start showing up, one older mare started to not do well so we changed last week to Patriot. she perked right up. Infact all the horses are acting better. And then this news about ADM. 
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Location: East Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds. I was feeding the triple crown senior. I just noticed it being a little dry, but nothing to bad and no corn.
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Location: Kentucky | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 3:06 PM
I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
What mill was your TC out of? I've never had problems with my TC... only from the actual feed store because they weren't rotating their supply. |
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Location: Willows, CA | No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made. |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2015-02-03 2:18 PM No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM
I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
I've been noticing a good bit of whole corn in my tc sr lately. I'm not too happy with all this. Thinking I might just get whole oats again from my FIL. He gets them straight from the field.. sure they are a little dusty but clean otherwise. Feed those along with the Renew Gold and call it a day! |
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Location: Oklahoma | winwillows - 2015-02-03 2:18 PM No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made.
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Location: Here | Anyone know about Total Equine |
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Location: Here | http://www.southernstates.com/articles/eliminating-the-risk-of-ionophore-toxicity-in-horses.aspx
Eliminating the Risk of Ionophore Toxicity in Horses
by Dr. Martin W. Adams, PAS – Equine Nutritionist for Southern States
Ionophores are a class of drugs that can be particularly toxic to horses. The potential toxicity varies depending upon which ionophore is considered. For instance, the ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). At low levels, some ionophores have been experimentally fed to horses without adverse consequences. However, high levels of any ionophore must be considered a risk to horses, and all needed steps must be taken to ensure that horse feeds remain free of ionophores, or any other drug. Some feed companies may miss the mark in attempting to assure horse safety by banning ionophores from their feed mills that manufacture horse feeds. The reality is that there are other non-ionophore drugs, for example lincomycin, that may be used in feed mills which are extremely toxic to horses. These too must be addressed.
Southern States Horse Feed Quality Control
Southern States has a quality control program designed to assure the correct use of all drugs, including ionophores. Some of these procedures include: - Training of employees in correct drug handling procedures.
- Annual retraining to assure familiarity with correct procedures remains current.
- Weighing of drugs to a hundredth of a pound for inclusion into feeds.
- Daily inventory of all drugs to assure that the correct drugs have been used, at the correct level, and only in the right feeds.
- Daily review and sign off by plant management of all production records involving drugs to ensure that there have been no errors in production efficacy in accordance with federal regulations.
- Laboratory analysis of feeds containing drugs to validate that use was appropriate.
- Drug residue carryover studies are conducted to assure that mill manufacturing systems remain capable of preventing unsafe drug residues.
- Sequencing procedures to assure that horse feeds only follow medication-free feeds through the manufacturing system. Non-medicated batches of feed must be run after a medicated feed is manufactured or the computer will not allow a horse feed to be mixed and produced.
Additionally, Southern States has developed designated drug handling procedures, abbreviated as DDH. DDH specifically targets the need to keep the particularly dangerous drugs well away from horse feeds. Those drugs include all ionophores. DDH includes: - Feed components that include DDH drugs are put in distinctive bags used only for that purpose.
- DDH drugs are stored in dedicated locations to ensure they cannot be accidentally added to horse feeds.
- All manufacturing records are highlighted in red when DDH drugs are involved.
- Extra separation is built into sequencing requirements between making feeds containing DDH drugs and feeds intended for horses.
- Red seals are used to lock out containers containing products with DDH drugs to assure they cannot be commingled with horse feeds.
The preceding information specifies some, but not all, of the extraordinary precautions that Southern States has taken to assure that there is no risk to horses from ionophores and other highly toxic drugs. Any Southern States horse feed product can be fed with the confidence that comes from knowing that the training and manufacturing procedures are in place to ensure that drug residues will not be a problem.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | SG. - 2015-02-03 2:47 PM
Anyone know about Total Equine
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Location: Here | Why Feed Mounds Horse Power?
Mounds Horse Power is made by Purina Mills, in an ionophore free* production plant. Purina Mills tests all of our ingredients and only the best quality ingredients are selected for use in Mounds Horse Power products. Our Horse Power 12 formula has constant nutrition, which means it is balanced from the first scoop to the last. Mounds Horse Power has a proper amino acid balance to build muscle tissue, as well as a combination of energy sources – grains and oils – to help maintain stamina and endurance. Our products are formulated with a proper calcium to phosphorus ratio for optimum bone development and strength, as well as the correct levels of trace minerals to ensure proper electrolyte balance. Mounds Horse Power also contains optimum levels of vitamins for overall health. |
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