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| Lil' D - 2015-02-19 8:26 PM
I have bred 4 different mares to BHR Frenchies Socks and every foal by him has been extremely well balanced, excellent conformation and very easy on the eyes. His colts want to work and they are getting the job done in the arena.
A good friend of mine has a BHR Frenchies Socks that is gorgeous. She will start her on barrels this year and is pretty excited about her. |
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| Leo - 2015-02-19 9:33 PM
Bennie1, your boy is a handsome fella himself ;)
Aw, thanks :). We sure like him! |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 10:41 AM
bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking.
I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned. Â
 Not true. I have a now 3 year old filly that has great bone and feet. She's a really pretty, good minded, athletic filly. Nothing small bonef about her. But she is also out of an exceptional Bully daughter. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-19 9:09 AM
SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Â Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... Â We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. Â He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. Â I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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 Well you did better than I did. I've seen Pappi in the flesh twice. Both times I was too star struck to even think about taking a picture. I was seriously like a little tween girl at a Justin Beiber concert. It was pathetic. I'm so glad you went and saw him! There really is no telling how good of a race horse he could have been had they not crippled him. They injected his coffin and it got infected. That's what ended his race career. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. |
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| oija - 2015-02-20 6:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
 You are correct. Bone size has nothing to do with density. You have to have a horse that is also structurally correct. I personally feel a lot of soundness issues come from the wrong feeding program when they are babies, lack of proper exercise as babies and poor farrier work. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
 I agree with what you are saying, I just am a little leery on him. Personally, I myself wouldn't shell out that stud fee for him, but then again I'm not sure I would breed to anyone except FG and DTF for more than that. Personal preference I guess? |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-19 11:09 AM
SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Â Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... Â We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. Â He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. Â I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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I chose to breed my mare that I LOVE, and am only breeding once for a foal to keep to him. Got a pretty little filly that I adore. She is smart, athletic, & curious, picks things up fast. If I was breeding my mare again, I would probably go back to him because I like her so much.
IF I chose to go a different route, I would probably go Fly the Red Eye. He is a good looking guy. |
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| oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles. |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 7:53 AM
SKM - 2015-02-20 7:48 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 10:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.  Not true. I have a now 3 year old filly that has great bone and feet. She's a really pretty, good minded, athletic filly. Nothing small bonef about her. But she is also out of an exceptional Bully daughter.
 We've had more than one. I simply have one in my possession that wasn't sold as a yearling. Yes...I can certainly see how a stallion that was Top 15 on Leading Sites of 2014, top 10 on Leading Sires Of 2 year Olds in 2014, a horse that has had 100+ yearlings sell the past 2 years in a row with an average of $15,000 or so over 2 years is siring fine boned horses that can't stay sound. It also isn't like he's sired horses that went to the track prior to winning barrel futurities. All with only 4 crops of racing age and $6.3 million in earnings. Oh..... lol. |
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Location: Arizona | Here you go. All Three are balanced and throwing straight legged, nice babies. Take your pic. They are all advertised here individually. We would love to hear from you. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE my ranch horses, but do you know what the longevity is of the average ranch horse? There's a very well known ranch that we get a lot of ours from that quits them by the time they are 10 or 11 years old. You don't want one of theirs after they are 6 or 7 because they are already so beat up that they will be a rehab project for the rest of their lives.
There's a huge difference in "holding up" and being forced to work through pain. Bone size has no more to do with performance longevity than muscle mass does. The most crippled horses I've ever ridden were the big boned "cool looking" heading horses that everyone loves. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-20 9:58 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
There's a huge difference in "holding up" and being forced to work through pain. Bone size has no more to do with performance longevity than muscle mass does. The most crippled horses I've ever ridden were the big boned "cool looking" heading horses that everyone loves.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM
oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
There's a reason up around Wyoming and Montana they particularly like Hancock lines and foundation breeding. The animals hold up well in rough country and are tough mentally (though they can be tough on the body too as that grittiness can occasionally be accompanied by a tendency to buck). But they are not the only horses who have done well in that kind of country. Arabian horses have dealt with rocky areas and mountains and been more sure footed for centuries than anything we currently have and if sure footedness and grit are the best measure than a mule is the way to go hands down. So in terms of rough country a number of mounts might work considering the same feeding, training, etc.
Roping is another matter. Just like in order to pull heavy loads a draft horse works well because of their size and muscle mass and just can pull more a roping horse with bulk is better to have generally.
I read an interesting point made by Temple Grandin: generally finer boned and smaller animals tend to have higher fear reactions but also be smarter. They are more likely to flee than to fight. Larger animals, especially with larger bones, tend to have lower fear drives; they will fight you more instead of trying to flee. I think you can see this in the spiritidness of an Arabian vs. some likeliness of Hancock lines to buck. Grandin uses the example of something like a Labrador Retriever as compared to a Chihuahua. There's a reason that a number of bucking horses are mixes of the larger breeds (even drafts) with smaller horses. That mid sized horse that's not too big to really buck has a lower fear drive and is likely to buck longer if trained that its effective. Old timey cowboys liked these kind of horses because they will take a lot of mental abuse a finer boned animal won't take without breaking its mind. You could 'cowboy' them and they would suffer it; they would buck but they would last. I think we mistook their mental fortitude to suffer because of a lower flight instinct as equating with a certain grittiness. Since they also tended to have larger bones we also associated this with their grittiness on rough terrain. Arabians are still the best choice for endurance riders even over many types of Terrain; they are plenty sure footed but don't take abuse well. |
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| Â Whiteboy I am curious....you say you'd like to have an IJ daughter for a broodmare. But then you question their ability to stay sound because you feel they have fine bones and look fragile. So why would you want one for a broodmare then? I'm not being snarky. I'm just trying to wrap my head around wanting a mare with those type of traits for breeding purposes is all. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal! Â
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I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | oija - 2015-02-20 11:20 AM
Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal! Â
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I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
Who wouldn't be in love?
The bottom picture is Jess Louisiana Blue. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | LRQHS - 2015-02-20 11:22 AM
oija - 2015-02-20 11:20 AM
Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal! Â
FurLSBrace
I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
Who wouldn't be in love?
The bottom picture is Jess Louisiana Blue.
Oh no!!! You are right. I saw the "Louisianna" and that's who I thought of. Lousiana Senator is great! But I really love Jess Louisiana Blue. Thank you Jennifer!!! |
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