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| rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM
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Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Â Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.Â
OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
My dad was a truck driver for years, yes it is regulated for safety sake, and for the time down required, there are ways around it, such as the down time being at on site jobs.
I did the billing for my dad, when he hauled, prices were increasing drastically, not dropping.
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-02 1:21 PM
rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders.  Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has. OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
I'm sure there's lots more.Â
You are talking apples and oranges here.
By regulating how many horses are produced each year, is like saying a doctor, accountant, lawyer, can only see 20/people a year.
I don't know about your medical system but what you are saying is a form of communism, and if the government gets involved in the horse industry you will see even more. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 3:24 PM
Fairweather - 2015-03-02 1:21 PM
rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders.  Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has. OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
I'm sure there's lots more.Â
You are talking apples and oranges here.
By regulating how many horses are produced each year, is like saying a doctor, accountant, lawyer, can only see 20/people a year.
I don't know about your medical system but what you are saying is a form of communism, and if the government gets involved in the horse industry you will see even more.
Now in my opinion that is apples to oranges. You are comparing medical needs to horse breeding....? I find those to be very different industries.
I also dont think it is reducing their income... it could potentially increase it. If you have a worthy stud with a lot of interest, not only could you increase your stud fee because of high demand, you could also be very selective to which mares you choose to cover. The perfect crosses would be worth big bucks typically and spotlight your stud. I just think so many big names are becoming a dime a dozen. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 3:19 PM
rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM
SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM
Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Â Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.Â
OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
My dad was a truck driver for years, yes it is regulated for safety sake, and for the time down required, there are ways around it, such as the down time being at on site jobs.
I did the billing for my dad, when he hauled, prices were increasing drastically, not dropping.
I've personally been in the business for more years than I care to admit, as a driver and more. Hubby has been in it for almost (crap!) 50 years and his dad drove back in the day before interstates. 20 years ago we were hauling for cheaper per mile rates than he did in the 50s. Granted rates are higher than they were 20 years ago, but by no means has the increase in rates kept up with the astronomic raises in fuel, insurance and truck payments.
As an example. in the 80's we were hauling for maybe $1..50 per mile, today I am getting offered freight for LESS THAN $1.00 per mile! (we won't haul for that). In the 80's fuel was maybe 50 cents per gallon, look at today's prices. Our brand new 1981 freightliner was under 40K, today it's closer to 100K for a new truck. Insurance rates, well I can't give you exact figures, but for sure, liability and collision are much higher than the 80s. Then you have the costs for plates, highway use tax, ton mile taxes etc., all which have gone up. If you have drivers, instead of paying them 10 cents a mile it's closer to 40/50 cents per mile. This is NOT considering the things going on in booming oil field areas where everyone is (or was) making money, I am talking OTR stuff here. There is batter paying freight, but when you find it there is always someone willing to cut that rate just to get their foot in the door. Right now, we consider ourselves doing fairly well if we get anything over $2 per mile for all miles traveled, loaded and empty. We have no truck payments, no mortgage and no kids to support. I have no idea how the guys with a new truck and a house payment are making it!
As far as hours of service, it's like the speed limit. Ostensibly it is in place for "safety" but when you don't hold ALL DRIVERS to the same standards, just how much safer does it make our roads? Study after study show that the highest percentages of accidents involving semis are caused by a 4 wheeler.
They are in the process of FORCING trucks to have electronic logs. While I am sure there will be those who will find their way around them, it is going to force the truckers who actually know how to get a load to it's destination in a timely fashion will be forced out of business and the price of everything will go up even more as they will have to hire 3 drivers to compensate for the loss of 2 of the old school drivers. Hours of service AND reduced speed limits do indeed cut the paycheck of a self employed driver.
All of this does have some bearing on the subject at hand. The more regulation, the more it is going to cost the individual to participate in the regulated activity. ANd then the regulation does not necessarily solve the original problem.
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| rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 3:54 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 3:19 PM
rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM
SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM
Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Â Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.Â
OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
My dad was a truck driver for years, yes it is regulated for safety sake, and for the time down required, there are ways around it, such as the down time being at on site jobs.
I did the billing for my dad, when he hauled, prices were increasing drastically, not dropping.
I've personally been in the business for more years than I care to admit, as a driver and more. Hubby has been in it for almost (crap! ) 50 years and his dad drove back in the day before interstates. 20 years ago we were hauling for cheaper per mile rates than he did in the 50s. Granted rates are higher than they were 20 years ago, but by no means has the increase in rates kept up with the astronomic raises in fuel, insurance and truck payments.
As an example. in the 80's we were hauling for maybe $1..50 per mile, today I am getting offered freight for LESS THAN $1.00 per mile! (we won't haul for that ). In the 80's fuel was maybe 50 cents per gallon, look at today's prices. Our brand new 1981 freightliner was under 40K, today it's closer to 100K for a new truck. Insurance rates, well I can't give you exact figures, but for sure, liability and collision are much higher than the 80s. Then you have the costs for plates, highway use tax, ton mile taxes etc., all which have gone up. If you have drivers, instead of paying them 10 cents a mile it's closer to 40/50 cents per mile. This is NOT considering the things going on in booming oil field areas where everyone is (or was ) making money, I am talking OTR stuff here. There is batter paying freight, but when you find it there is always someone willing to cut that rate just to get their foot in the door. Right now, we consider ourselves doing fairly well if we get anything over $2 per mile for all miles traveled, loaded and empty. We have no truck payments, no mortgage and no kids to support. I have no idea how the guys with a new truck and a house payment are making it!
As far as hours of service, it's like the speed limit. Ostensibly it is in place for "safety" but when you don't hold ALL DRIVERS to the same standards, just how much safer does it make our roads? Study after study show that the highest percentages of accidents involving semis are caused by a 4 wheeler.
They are in the process of FORCING trucks to have electronic logs. While I am sure there will be those who will find their way around them, it is going to force the truckers who actually know how to get a load to it's destination in a timely fashion will be forced out of business and the price of everything will go up even more as they will have to hire 3 drivers to compensate for the loss of 2 of the old school drivers. Hours of service AND reduced speed limits do indeed cut the paycheck of a self employed driver.
All of this does have some bearing on the subject at hand. The more regulation, the more it is going to cost the individual to participate in the regulated activity. ANd then the regulation does not necessarily solve the original problem.
And there is your problem you are charging by the mile, my dad charged by the hour and was getting 200/hr for truck and driver with the company supplying fuel.
To comment on what one other person posted that capping the breeding will drive up horse prices, yes and no. Dash at fame, streak of fling, firewater on the rocks, slick by design all the big names who already cap won't really be affected.
The ones affected will be the smaller named stallions, and it could actually run some farms out of horses.
Also remember if there is a cap in place, the few years after the cap the markets will be flooded with culls, what will happen to these horses who are 15 yrs old not broke or only broodmare sound? Horse prices will continue to go down till the market stabilizes and this may take 15-20 yrs of limiting breeding.p
When the small breeders go belly up those horses will also flood the market
Also who is going to dictate what horses should be breeding material, you have so many disciplines, so many breeds,
where will this funding come from?
Also who will be the one to monitor this, will we have to fill out on the government census how any horses we have?
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Location: lone star state | Regulation - loss of freedom. Anytime you ask government to regulate you restrict freedom.
As horse owners each and everyone should be responsible. Are we no. All you can do is be responsible yourself and breed for horses that you feel will have value the lifetime of that animal. Illness and injury will occur and as horse owners you have to be good stewards and make good decisions when an animal in your care is no longer usable. Breed associations realize that there is a problem with unwanted horses. Encourage your association to have programs that benefit those unwanted horses. Jockey club has a program to train thorobreds for a life after their racing career. Others should follow suit. Maybe those who serve on boards can or will organize recognition for those efforts to allow an avenue to retrain horses for life after show or race career ends. | |
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Location: Whitney, NE | We are in the process of shipping our hay, large squares, and the LEAST anyone has paid their trucker that I know of is $4.25. If someone here is willing to haul for less than a $1 a mile, you are hired! | |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | whatadoll - 2015-03-02 7:01 PM We are in the process of shipping our hay, large squares, and the LEAST anyone has paid their trucker that I know of is $4.25. If someone here is willing to haul for less than a $1 a mile, you are hired!
Amen to that! I could actually get hay by the semi load and afford to keep more horses! Maybe even go back to doing rescue! | |
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| firewaterfuelsme - 2015-03-02 4:55 PM
Regulation - loss of freedom. Anytime you ask government to regulate you restrict freedom.
As horse owners each and everyone should be responsible. Are we no. All you can do is be responsible yourself and breed for horses that you feel will have value the lifetime of that animal. Illness and injury will occur and as horse owners you have to be good stewards and make good decisions when an animal in your care is no longer usable. Breed associations realize that there is a problem with unwanted horses. Encourage your association to have programs that benefit those unwanted horses. Jockey club has a program to train thorobreds for a life after their racing career. Others should follow suit. Maybe those who serve on boards can or will organize recognition for those efforts to allow an avenue to retrain horses for life after show or race career ends.
Please read the proposed regulations... I havent seen anyone state they want the government to regulate.
With that said, the suggestions have been for breed registry's to regulate. I'm gonna tell you now, with as much attention the slaughter plants and starving horse stories are receiving... I wouldnt be surprised to see the government step in. Thats why I think those who are knowledgeable in this area come up with a solution before the government steps in. A group who knows nothing about horses making regulations is going to be a lot worse than if smart horse people brainstormed a few ideas.
Or we can bury our head in the sand, pretend we cant do anything and assume that this will always continue as is and settle for that. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | stayceem - 2015-03-03 9:20 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2015-03-02 4:55 PM Regulation - loss of freedom. Anytime you ask government to regulate you restrict freedom. As horse owners each and everyone should be responsible. Are we no. All you can do is be responsible yourself and breed for horses that you feel will have value the lifetime of that animal. Illness and injury will occur and as horse owners you have to be good stewards and make good decisions when an animal in your care is no longer usable. Breed associations realize that there is a problem with unwanted horses. Encourage your association to have programs that benefit those unwanted horses. Jockey club has a program to train thorobreds for a life after their racing career. Others should follow suit. Maybe those who serve on boards can or will organize recognition for those efforts to allow an avenue to retrain horses for life after show or race career ends. Please read the proposed regulations... I havent seen anyone state they want the government to regulate. With that said, the suggestions have been for breed registry's to regulate. I'm gonna tell you now, with as much attention the slaughter plants and starving horse stories are receiving... I wouldnt be surprised to see the government step in. Thats why I think those who are knowledgeable in this area come up with a solution before the government steps in. A group who knows nothing about horses making regulations is going to be a lot worse than if smart horse people brainstormed a few ideas. Or we can bury our head in the sand, pretend we cant do anything and assume that this will always continue as is and settle for that.
Yes someone did suggest the government regulate breeding. All I can say to that is "OH HELL NO!" I don't see how anyone could even suggest it. We need the government to get out of our lives, not get in deeper.
Breed registries don't have the power to regulate much. They do as much as the can. Just like the new 5 Panel disorder testing. People have to test their stallions to register the babies. Some see this as interference in their business. I see it as trying to protect the buyers. AQHA isn't saying they are going to do anything but require testing. The market is going to decide who florishes and who doesn't by BUYERs dictating what they will buy. If buyers won't buy an untested or positive horse, breeders will have to comply by testing or culling positive animals or not sell horses.
Just a little history. Everytime some group decides they don't like something AQHA regulates they sue them. The most recent is the regulation to not allow clones to be registered. AQHA LOSES every single time. The GOVERNMENT won't allow AQHA to govern itself according to the wishes of its membership and what is best for the breed (and horses in general). Their hands are tied. While AQHA had a small victory in appeals court, I'm not aware of a final decision. The people who want to force us to register clones may appeal the appeal, or whatever the courts call it.
So in summary. We need to re-open the slaughter plants or build new ones. One in every region. The real tragedy is the shipping of horses for 1000's of miles. There will always be unwanted horses. Think about all those postive horses we don't want. | |
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Location: Midwest | OregonBR - 2015-03-03 11:48 AM stayceem - 2015-03-03 9:20 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2015-03-02 4:55 PM Regulation - loss of freedom. Anytime you ask government to regulate you restrict freedom. As horse owners each and everyone should be responsible. Are we no. All you can do is be responsible yourself and breed for horses that you feel will have value the lifetime of that animal. Illness and injury will occur and as horse owners you have to be good stewards and make good decisions when an animal in your care is no longer usable. Breed associations realize that there is a problem with unwanted horses. Encourage your association to have programs that benefit those unwanted horses. Jockey club has a program to train thorobreds for a life after their racing career. Others should follow suit. Maybe those who serve on boards can or will organize recognition for those efforts to allow an avenue to retrain horses for life after show or race career ends. Please read the proposed regulations... I havent seen anyone state they want the government to regulate. With that said, the suggestions have been for breed registry's to regulate. I'm gonna tell you now, with as much attention the slaughter plants and starving horse stories are receiving... I wouldnt be surprised to see the government step in. Thats why I think those who are knowledgeable in this area come up with a solution before the government steps in. A group who knows nothing about horses making regulations is going to be a lot worse than if smart horse people brainstormed a few ideas. Or we can bury our head in the sand, pretend we cant do anything and assume that this will always continue as is and settle for that.
Breed registries don't have the power to regulate much. They do as much as the can. Just like the new 5 Panel disorder testing. People have to test their stallions to register the babies. Some see this as interference in their business. I see it as trying to protect the buyers. AQHA isn't saying they are going to do anything but require testing. The market is going to decide who florishes and who doesn't by BUYERs dictating what they will buy. If buyers won't buy an untested or positive horse, breeders will have to comply by testing or culling positive animals or not sell horses.
Just a little history. Everytime some group decides they don't like something AQHA regulates they sue them. The most recent is the regulation to not allow clones to be registered. AQHA LOSES every single time. The GOVERNMENT won't allow AQHA to govern itself according to the wishes of its membership and what is best for the breed (and horses in general). Their hands are tied. While AQHA had a small victory in appeals court, I'm not aware of a final decision. The people who want to force us to register clones may appeal the appeal, or whatever the courts call it.
So in summary. We need to re-open the slaughter plants or build new ones. One in every region. The real tragedy is the shipping of horses for 1000's of miles. There will always be unwanted horses. Think about all those postive horses we don't want.
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-03-03 11:55 AM
OregonBR - 2015-03-03 11:48 AM stayceem - 2015-03-03 9:20 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2015-03-02 4:55 PM Regulation - loss of freedom. Anytime you ask government to regulate you restrict freedom. As horse owners each and everyone should be responsible. Are we no. All you can do is be responsible yourself and breed for horses that you feel will have value the lifetime of that animal. Illness and injury will occur and as horse owners you have to be good stewards and make good decisions when an animal in your care is no longer usable. Breed associations realize that there is a problem with unwanted horses. Encourage your association to have programs that benefit those unwanted horses. Jockey club has a program to train thorobreds for a life after their racing career. Others should follow suit. Maybe those who serve on boards can or will organize recognition for those efforts to allow an avenue to retrain horses for life after show or race career ends. Please read the proposed regulations... I havent seen anyone state they want the government to regulate. With that said, the suggestions have been for breed registry's to regulate. I'm gonna tell you now, with as much attention the slaughter plants and starving horse stories are receiving... I wouldnt be surprised to see the government step in. Thats why I think those who are knowledgeable in this area come up with a solution before the government steps in. A group who knows nothing about horses making regulations is going to be a lot worse than if smart horse people brainstormed a few ideas. Or we can bury our head in the sand, pretend we cant do anything and assume that this will always continue as is and settle for that.
Breed registries don't have the power to regulate much. Â They do as much as the can. Just like the new 5 Panel disorder testing. People have to test their stallions to register the babies. Â Some see this as interference in their business. I see it as trying to protect the buyers. AQHA isn't saying they are going to do anything but require testing. The market is going to decide who florishes and who doesn't by BUYERs dictating what they will buy. If buyers won't buy an untested or positive horse, breeders will have to comply by testing or culling positive animals or not sell horses.Â
Just a little history. Everytime some group decides they don't like something AQHA regulates they sue them. Â The most recent is the regulation to not allow clones to be registered. Â AQHA LOSES every single time. Â The GOVERNMENT won't allow AQHA to govern itself according to the wishes of its membership and what is best for the breed (and horses in general). Â Their hands are tied. Â Â While AQHA had a small victory in appeals court, I'm not aware of a final decision. The people who want to force us to register clones may appeal the appeal, or whatever the courts call it.
So in summary. We need to re-open the slaughter plants or build new ones. One in every region. The real tragedy is the shipping of horses for 1000's of miles. Â There will always be unwanted horses. Â Think about all those postive horses we don't want. Â
What I am saying it with all the attention this issue brings... I wont be surprised if one day the government tries to regulate it... when that day comes do we want to be close minded or do we want to have a valid and realistic proposal or maybe beat them to the punch?
I know that everyone is sue happy... I get that but I also understand what may happen in the future if an adjustment isnt made. | |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Those that think govement regulation is the answer just google the new regulations on dog breeders! They affect small responsible breeders, more than the puppy mills.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Some things in life don't HAVE a solution that everyone is going to like and frankly there are LOT more important things to be concerned about than horse slaughter being stopped. | |
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| OregonBR - 2015-03-03 2:23 PM
Some things in life don't HAVE a solution that everyone is going to like and frankly there are LOT more important things to be concerned about than horse slaughter being stopped. Â Â
They have regulated dog breeders, why wouldnt the government regulate horse breeders? All im saying is think about it...... theres a chance that we wont get a say and the carefree attitudes about horse slaughter will effect many if someone who doesnt understand the industry steps in. | |
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| OregonBR - 2015-03-03 2:23 PM Some things in life don't HAVE a solution that everyone is going to like and frankly there are LOT more important things to be concerned about than horse slaughter being stopped.
This post was not created to find a way to "stop" horse slaughter, it was created to discuss (with others who share a concern) possible options to relieve such high numbers going to slaughter. To me producing thousands upon thousands of animals that there is no place for is a problem. People are being irresponsible, simple as that. Some of us here want to be proactive concerning this issue, and dont simply have an "oh well" attitude. | |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-02 3:05 PM Well said. I don't think slaughter is an option any more. That ship has sailed. There are a number of options to explore, but most won't consider them. How about we, as horse people, think of ideas and put them into motion? You know, before people who don't know squat about horses and the government do it for us?
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| equussynergy - 2015-03-02 8:07 PM
whatadoll - 2015-03-02 7:01 PM We are in the process of shipping our hay, large squares, and the LEAST anyone has paid their trucker that I know of is $4.25. If someone here is willing to haul for less than a $1 a mile, you are hired!
Amen to that! I could actually get hay by the semi load and afford to keep more horses! Maybe even go back to doing rescue!
Keep in mind that most freight is run through brokers and the brokers put as much of that $4.25 a mile in their own pocket. They will offer the load out as cheaply as possible (yes, $1 a mile) then grudgingly offer to throw in a few cents more per mile, until they can get someone desperate to either get home or make a payment to take it. Youcan find several different owner operators hauling the same loads for radically different rates. And there is ALWAYS someone willing to cut any givem rate.
We have tried to find customers willing to contract trucks directly but for some reason most want to go through a broker. I don't know if that is to keep one more link in the liability chain, so as to protect themselves if something goes wrong? | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | scwebster - 2015-03-03 1:08 PM OregonBR - 2015-03-03 2:23 PM Some things in life don't HAVE a solution that everyone is going to like and frankly there are LOT more important things to be concerned about than horse slaughter being stopped. This post was not created to find a way to "stop" horse slaughter, it was created to discuss (with others who share a concern) possible options to relieve such high numbers going to slaughter. To me producing thousands upon thousands of animals that there is no place for is a problem. People are being irresponsible, simple as that. Some of us here want to be proactive concerning this issue, and dont simply have an "oh well" attitude.
There is no acceptable solution is what I said. Some people want everyone else to carry the burden no matter how impossible it is. There hasn't been ONE SINGLE advancement made toward stopping or slowing the unneccessary breeding of dogs and cats either. You might be able to legislate that in a town or city but the rest of the country is out of control. Dog & cats are being slaughtered on a daily basis as well. There is NO solution other that what is being done. Stoopid people need to be spayed or neutered as well. | |
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| As far as the horse slaughter issue...I am a realist enough to know that horse are livestock and people raise livestock for slaughter (I knew of a man around here that raise draft horses for the express purpose of export to Japan for slaughter). The only REAL thing I can do is be responsible with and for my horses and will do everything within my power to keep MY horses from going to the slaughterhouse. On the other hand, I am not in the position to judge anyone else for their decision to either raise, eat or feed their animals ....livestock.
I will do my best to educate anyone I meet on the care and responsibilities that come with owning a horse. I do wish that they we would reopen a slaughter plant here in the US where unwanted, unusable horses can be slaughtered under more humane circumstances than what is going on in Mexico. | |
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