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| I raise a few bucking Bulls. I can tell you any contestant wallering, or as most call "soaking" a bull is some Mickey Mouse stuff. Someone at that level with that ma y eyes on them should know better.
Also, I know you realize running at a rodeo poses some problems that you don't incur at a barrel race. The ground, and the alley being two. Not every arena is condusive to being set up for both a rodeo, and a barrel race. It's part of what is impressive about the ones that make it to the NFR. They have ran in some less than ideal conditions to get there. |
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Location: Louisiana | EqualRanch - 2015-03-02 12:21 PM hlynn - 2015-03-02 8:29 AM That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop. Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight! Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
I have to disagree about circling when there is an alley. I want my horse to never question IF we are going straight or turning. I have seen girls get injured when their horse decided to circle at the last second. My guy will circle if he is running at a wall, i.e no alley way. And it costs us time bc he starts slowing down before the timer no matter how much I drive him. I would much rather have him run to the gate and stop. I have seen horses slip and go down trying to circle at full speed. Just my 2 cents :) But it is also a rule at most rodeo associations around here that you must RUN in and out of the alley way, circle=no time. |
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Location: Louisiana | Bigfoot - 2015-03-03 3:40 PM I raise a few bucking Bulls. I can tell you any contestant wallering, or as most call "soaking" a bull is some Mickey Mouse stuff. Someone at that level with that ma y eyes on them should know better. Also, I know you realize running at a rodeo poses some problems that you don't incur at a barrel race. The ground, and the alley being two. Not every arena is condusive to being set up for both a rodeo, and a barrel race. It's part of what is impressive about the ones that make it to the NFR. They have ran in some less than ideal conditions to get there.
^^^THIS! I am by no means a pro LOL, but have still run in some crazy setups. Grass field behind a hotel with a portable arena anyone? |
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Location: Nebraska | on RFD-TV's The American fb page, Randy made a post about why he let Silvano in the short round. People are not happy. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-03-03 1:11 PM 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
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Location: MS | sodapop - 2015-03-03 7:52 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-03 1:11 PM 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
Her look of confusion was because her time wasn't displayed on the big screen like all the rest of the times were. If I remember correctly hers and the person that ran after her were not displayed. Then they started displaying again. Also makes me think something went wrong with the clock. |
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Location: Moving soon..... | The ground changed after each drag. It was really dry. We were sitting behind the second. I had a friend of mine text me about the ground also. The producers just don't think about what could happen and some horses can handle it better than others. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | EqualRanch - 2015-03-02 10:21 AM
hlynn - 2015-03-02 8:29 AM That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop. Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight!
Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
It's a football field for goodness sake! Use the whole thing! You don't need two arenas!! |
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
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Location: Louisiana | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
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Location: North Dakota | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I enjoyed watching the American and I agree it still has some kinks to work out but overall is very cool and VERY exciting. I really got into it and was cheering and yelling at my computer screen for Taylor Price! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2015-03-07 10:10 AM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
I agree with NJJ. It doesn't matter how much money was put up as I'm sure they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their heart. It's a business venture just like the NFR is and at anytime they aren't making a profit the plug would be pulled as I highly doubt anyone is doing this in order to give the cowboy and cowgirls a chance at running for big money because they are beyond generous. All of the ERA patches pretty much proves that point and is tied in with the American or is going to be tied in with the American. The Elite Rodeo Association is already standing with their hand out to get money from the MEFT of Texas that is a slush fund for big sporting events. I highly doubt us discussing what went wrong with this event isn't going to make the producers throw their hands up and walk away no more then the NFR organizers will throw their hands up after the criticism they get every year. The bottom line is everything will continue as long as their is a profit and once there is no longer a profit, the plug will be pulled.
I feel there is nothing wrong with holding the American to a higher standard. They have the best people available at their fingertips to make sure glitches don't happen. They need to use them, make solid good rules and abide by them.
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Location: Mansfield, TX | Nevertooold - 2015-03-07 10:40 AM NJJ - 2015-03-07 10:10 AM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
I feel there is nothing wrong with holding the American to a higher standard. They have the best people available at their fingertips to make sure glitches don't happen. They need to use them, make solid good rules and abide by them.
You know I agree with pretty much everything you said NevertoOld,,well except the profit part. They specifically told us they lost money last year but decided to go ahead and try to make it bigger and better this year. The place was almost packed so I hope they did alright finacially and will do another one next year. Guess we will see. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Destry, It's about building a business. It takes money to make money. The AT&T center has already been into the MEFT (Major Events Fund Trust). The money is used to defray costs of putting on a big event. The AT&T center had the American last weekend and the estimate is they are getting around $5 million to put on the Academy of Country Music Awards. What is next? Looks like the AT&T center is going to be getting more venues with the new Elite Rodeo Association. The idea of this fund is to bring revenue into Texas. I've already read about the Elite having a 5 day finals at the AT&T center. I'm not complaining about this at all. It's always about following the money and long as it doesn't cost the taxpayers to put on this event, I guess we could all say it's good. Like everything when it comes to politics, the fund has already been misused and our new Governor is looking into taking control of the fund.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building. |
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Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | WrapN3MN - 2015-03-08 7:11 AM
Nita - 2015-03-08 4:05 AM
Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building.
I'm guessing because lasers need to be mounted from the ceiling and uh....not sure that's really doable in the AT&T lol
Really? There are walkways up there, cameras suspended from the ceiling and a bunch more electrical, I just imagined putting three laser lights shining down would be no big deal in that set up. I was surprised to see them pulling out ropes at the AT&T stadium like it was a small pen somewhere when my local NBHA has lasers and that arena is certainly not the AT&T stadium. Ropes just seemed very low budget to me for a huge event like this. I know they would need higher quality lasers, but they do exist. Lasers would definitely keep the stakes from getting cut.
e.t.a. ...lol
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