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Location: gone crazy! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse
Im not trying to nail you to the wall so to speak. Just curious why you still allow him to be ran? surely she isn't placing stopping like that on 2nd & sometimes 3rd. even if she was why still run him? Again, just curious. Or was this the only 3 times she ran him? |
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| I agree with most of the post here. There does seem to be a pain problem and a mental problem. The is also a lot of rider problem. It seems to be to much horse for the kid. He is just running all over the place and she is along for the ride. One thing that I noticed that has not been posted. He is coming into the barrel wide, His head in pointing away from the barrel and his shoulder is dropping. If you look at his turn he is stopping just before plowing over the barrel. It is either hit the barrel or stop because he is getting no help or guidence from the rider to get around the turn. Then it becomes mental because he is getting in trouble and does not understand why. It will a lot of guidence walking, trotting, and slow loping after all issues are taking care of the get him going right again. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse
Dad we feel for you, how experience are you with horses, if your a good horsemen you need to be riding this horse yourself and see what the problem is. The Jr cow horse bit is not alot of bit so thats good, I was worry that maybe you had a harsh bit on him, but you dont and thats good to know. Just hard to tell you why the horse is stopping at the barrel by a video, I think you need to find a good barrel horse trainer in your area if you have one and ask them for help. But you have gotton alot of good advice on here, but really you need to find a Horse vet that is into lameness and go from there. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 4:00 PM kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse Dad we feel for you, how experience are you with horses, if your a good horsemen you need to be riding this horse yourself and see what the problem is. The Jr cow horse bit is not alot of bit so thats good, I was worry that maybe you had a harsh bit on him, but you dont and thats good to know. Just hard to tell you why the horse is stopping at the barrel by a video, I think you need to find a good barrel horse trainer in your area if you have one and ask them for help. But you have gotton alot of good advice on here, but really you need to find a Horse vet that is into lameness and go from there.
Did your vet flex his hocks? What did he do to check him out?
I understand in the process of trying to figure this out having your daughter get a little agressive in case he is just buffaloing her but that is obvioulsy not working so encouraging her to "kick as hard as you can" is counter productive and not teaching your daugher good horsemanship. After trying this method and it not working, it was time to move on to plan B. If you keep doing the same thing, you are going to get the same results. I agree that if he is bleeding, it would effect him in all his events. Again, he looks like a very nice horse who is putting up with a lot and your daughter looks to have the ability to be a great rider- just needs a little more experience in how to handle things.
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| I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look . |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:16 PM I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look .
What did the vet do when checked out before? did he flex hocks etc? |
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Location: Nebraska | Did she ride with the people you bought him from? Maybe they will have suggestions on how to properly cue him, after he has been checked out. Did he do it with them at all? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:16 PM I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look .
You sound like a great dad and doing his best for his little girl, I wish you the best. Buttt you need a horse vet that specializes in lameness just to rule out any pain issues. And then you can go from there and sit her up with someone thats a great teacher that will give her riding lessons so that she can be helped out with this horse but I think she needs a older horse thats got the experience of a younger rider on its back  |
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| Here's a list of things I would ask the vet to check and rule out, I suspect hind end because of how the horse dumps on his front end, but they are frustrating animals so you never know: Sacrum, Stifles(a locking stifle, spur, or arthritis), Hocks, continue to work your way down.
In the mean time maybe check, saddle fit, teeth, Ulcers, head gear....
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| The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing ! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | FlyingJT - 2015-06-19 4:36 PM Here's a list of things I would ask the vet to check and rule out, I suspect hind end because of how the horse dumps on his front end, but they are frustrating animals so you never know: Sacrum, Stifles(a locking stifle, spur, or arthritis), Hocks, continue to work your way down. In the mean time maybe check, saddle fit, teeth, Ulcers, head gear....
Good list. I would add high suspensory to that. How is he shod? Has anything changed with that?
Let me add, there have been times I had a horse with its sacrum out and having nerve pain. I have a whole new appreciation for what they were feeling after the last 8 days of my life. LOL I twisted my sacrum and even after that part got better and quit hurting, the nerve pain has been migrating and lingering. Today it's in my butt cheek down the back of my leg to my knee. NSAIDs barely touch it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:43 PM The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing !
I saw him jumping off his left hind in one of your videos. Show the vids to your vet. Sometimes things don't show up in a lameness exam because they don't hurt bad enough going slow, but watching a run will give them a place to start. |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:43 PM
The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing !
I would also X-ray his joints. My vet said chips in the ankle sometimes only bother them when running, What does your trainer say about continuing to run him? Edited to add, this has nothing to do with your daughters skill to ride a fast horse. She does look like she sits and rides well. My girls at her age could sit square in the saddle and win a 1D check but they would not have known how to fix an issue like this either, they needed to learn from an experienced horse person. I know eventually you have to make a run to see if what you are trying is fixing the issue, if he stalls again, have her get off and lead him out- this is not a battle of wills between your daughter and the horse.
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Have you had a chiro work on him? |
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| Yes chiro work was done but was told he was not too bad . |
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Location: Heart of Texas | He is a very nice horse in serious pain. What bothers me most is the fact the he seems to be starting to pop up in the front while she is trying to get him moving again. He could be just a few runs away from coming over. Please don't let her run him again until he has been gone over properly by qualified vet and you find a reputable trainer. There are 100 different things that could be causing this. I had a horse just like this as a kid in the 80's. This was before we knew anything about soundness. She got worse and worse, almost flipped at the first barrel, and my parents sold her as a brood mare. Probably only needed her hocks injected. |
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Location: Bad Mamajama From South Of Alabama! | Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 1:14 PM That horse needs to pulled off barrels untill you can find the problem, hes hurting and bad. He looks really confused and that to me is because he hurts, you can tell hes got heart and is trying but riding him in this matter and getting mad at him, I saw that in the first video is not going to make this horse want to run, theres no rate going into the first barrel and theres a reason for it. You need to take this horse to a lameness Vet and get him looked over with a fine tooth and comb, theres something going on the more you run him the worst its going to get for him. Not just any vet is going to find a problem you have got to take him to a Lameness Vet that will know what to be looking for. These videos just made me feel really bad for this horse. I completely agree with this opinion.....I watched the videos and cringed from how rude on the reins she is, and that horse is in major pain!
I don't want to come off as being mean, but I honestly felt bad for that horse, and no way I would let my child snatch and jerk on a horse like that. You need a Lameness Vet, not some local yocal vet. This horse needs to be pulled off barrels, poles, EVERYTHING, and fix his problem.
You're daughter isn't "riding" that horse, and she isn't rating him at a barrel at all. She's doing nothing more than slamming, banging, and spurring. She needs some seriously lessons on how to actually "ride" with leg ques, rate, and she needs to learn some horsemanship.
Horses WILL talk to us.....but we have to have the common sense to listen to them. This horse is screaming at you!!!, and you aren't listening.
Poor horse. :(
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Location: In a happy place | Not meaning this ugly and I apologize for not agreeing but a Jr. Cowhorse bit can be hard on a horses mouth and especially with how your daughter uses her hands.
This is such a nice horse and I hope someone can help you. I just wouldn't be hauling him and running him anymore until you can get the problem fixed. |
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Location: Bad Mamajama From South Of Alabama! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running .
You are doing nothing but making excuses for this child's behavior. If I caught my child snatching and banging on a horse like this is....you would just have to watch me go after my child and yes, I would come unglued right there in the arena before I would let her snatch, bang. jerk, and kick his guts out like that. It's embarrassing and it's also torture to the horse. He's trying to tell you he is in pain!, or that she is too rough on him.
A scope is a waste of money. It won't show the hind gut which is where alot of ulcers form. Just treat the horse with a very good ulcer med, and then keep him on a very good preventative.....Plus, find him a very good Lameness Vet. There's more than just ulcers going on here.
and put the kid back on those ponies if she can ride those so well....she isn't the rider you are making her out to be, and she is ruining a very good horse from what I see in videos. He knows his job, but he's in pain and he's got a rider with no control or clue of how to ride him. We can see that in the videos. She needs some serious training on light hands, and her attitude if this is how she reacts when she is mad at him. From what I have seen in videos and read in your replies, she sould like a spoiled little girl with an attitude. I know it sounds mean, but I"m only being honest. |
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