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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OK so it looks like the flag is coming down. I feel so much better now.....this means we are less racist. This will save lives. |
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Location: So. California | cruise - 2015-06-22 9:36 AM I live in SC. Very proud of our state in the way they are handling a horrible, senseless, tragedy. There has been no hate rioting, destorying of police vehicles, or burning of businesses. Too much good for some to handle so grab the low hanging fruit - the flag and gun control. I am a direct desendant of SC Governor Gist's second wife. Long family line of family ties to that era in histroy. It was a very different time. The flag was not placed on our state capital right after the war - it was placed there when segregation began in the South in the early sixties. That is my issues with the flying - not the flag itself - but the time it was placed on our capital. It wa to have been flown for 1 year - apparently someone forgot to take it down. Take it down or leave it up - it will not change the hate in anyone's heart. There are also pictures of the individual that took 9 beautiful lives visiting a confederate museum in upstate SC. Will the museum be closed? Will those who make money off the confederate flag sold on clothing, patches. license plates, the flag, etc. be ordered to close down. I can go along with taking it down and putting it in a museum - but as I said earlier - I don't think it change the hatred in peoples hearts. Our Governonr is scheduled to hold a news conference this afternoon. It is anticipated it will be about the flag. Apparently there in a loophole that will allow for it to taken down within 10 days by tying it onto our state budget which has yet to a approved. Will be interesting to see what she has to say.
Thank you for the clarification of the flag...
I agree, the people of SC have handled this tragedy with dignity and grace. They have risen above the rhetoric and have shown TRUE southern pride. You should be proud of your state.  
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2015-06-22 3:29 PM
Governor Haley called for the removal of the Confederate Flag from the state house grounds. Will be up for vote. Pretty sure it is on its way down.
Ya know what? If they leave it to a popular vote I bet it stays. |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I hope the flag does stay. I see it as a symbol of the south. I don't see anything
racist about it. Mentally ill people will still get guns and kill people. It doesn't
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Location: Prosser, WA | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-22 2:09 PM
kakbarrelracer - 2015-06-22 4:04 PM I can see both sides of this. But really this can keep going. What if people from the south start saying that the USA flag is insulting. I mean the US army carried it when defeating the Confederates. People in the northern states also owned slaves. But I wouldn't want to have to change it.
The flag means what you think it means. Some people display it out of southern pride, some because they think it's badass, some use it to signify their hate. You could say the same about most symbols.
I see your point and you can make many of the same arguments to get rid of the USA flag. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Thank you Anniemae. Nevertoold - I"m not sure what will be next. Wal-Mart is pulling all Confederate items off its shelves. I didn't know they had any. Obama is coming to Charleston Friday to deliver the eulogy for Senator/Reverend Pinckney. It will take a two-thirds vote of the lawmakers in Columbia to remove the flag. It was a Dem. Governor that put the flag on the Capital building in the 60"s. I am sure the debate on the Senate floor will be lively. News is forgotten quickly. This is the same county in SC that very quickly arrested and charged a white police officer with the murder of a black man. People of both races supported this as it was clearly wrong. As for the 9 innocent people that sadly lost their lives at the hands of evil removing the flag will not stop the next evil person anymore than gun control will. Politicians are picking the low hanging fruit and running with it. Please pray for our state in the days ahead.Edited to add that the x-officer that shot the black man and the evil that murdered the 9 are in the same jail in cells that are side by side.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Bear - 2015-06-21 6:19 PM
OK so it looks like the flag is coming down. I feel so much better now.....this means we are less racist. This will save lives.
Plus Walmart is now going to stop selling Confederate flags etc .....oh yea this is really going to fix America. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | What irks me is its racism of whites toward blacks only......really do we believe blacks are not racist....oh I forgot their entitled to racism since they were slaves. If one reads Roofs manifesto it appears he was driven a lot from what he saw starting with the Trevor Martin case remember and how it was a white on black crime....and how the media played that....white on black crime when in reality black on black and black on white crime exceeds that's not how it's spun from the media to the White House. Maybe a few need to look at what they are saying that fuels the hate......starting at the top. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So I wonder what will be next. What about the Mississippi state flag? What about the states with "Stars and Bars" flags like Texas and Georgia? Wasn't the Stars and Bars the real flag of the Confederacy? |
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| Bear - 2015-06-22 10:00 PM
So I wonder what will be next. What about the Mississippi state flag? What about the states with "Stars and Bars" flags like Texas and Georgia? Wasn't the Stars and Bars the real flag of the Confederacy?
Stars and Bars was the first flag of the Confederacy. There where two other national flags that followed. |
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Location: Florida.. | why does obama ignore when white gets killed yet he speaks at this.. ..and yes I believe now that this happened removing the confederate flag.. the american flag will be protested to be removed by muslims |
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Location: Arkansas | Nevertooold - 2015-06-22 3:55 PM
cruise - 2015-06-22 3:29 PM Governor Hailey called for the removal of the Confederate Flag from the state house grounds. Will be up for vote. Pretty sure it is on its way down.
I wonder what will be next?
Exactly----where does it all stop? What rights, what freedoms, what simple parts of being free Americans will go next? I am willing to bet if that flag goes down from the capitol, it won't save a single life next time somebody decides to go on a rampage like this. I know different people look at the flag differently, but I don't see how this will fix the much bigger problem our country is facing.
And I agree that the state deserves kudos for the way the people have handled things. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2015-06-22 10:00 PM
So I wonder what will be next. What about the Mississippi state flag? What about the states with "Stars and Bars" flags like Texas and Georgia? Wasn't the Stars and Bars the real flag of the Confederacy?
Yes it was and I wonder how many folks would recognize it if they saw it? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-22 10:44 PM
Bear - 2015-06-22 10:00 PM
So I wonder what will be next. What about the Mississippi state flag? What about the states with "Stars and Bars" flags like Texas and Georgia? Wasn't the Stars and Bars the real flag of the Confederacy?
Yes it was and I wonder how many folks would recognize it if they saw it?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Exactly.....anyone care to take a guess what the response by Texans will be the minute people start calling for a flag change? It's obviously a knockoff of the Confederate flag. I wouldn't be surprised to see these other flags become focal points. I highly doubt Texas would cave to any pressure under any circumstances.
We have to realize that there are powerful forces whose goal it is to race bait at every opportunity. Right now flags like the Texas state flag is not a "symbol" of racism......but that can be changed. |
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Location: Arkansas | kakbarrelracer - 2015-06-22 7:33 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-22 2:09 PM
kakbarrelracer - 2015-06-22 4:04 PM I can see both sides of this. But really this can keep going. What if people from the south start saying that the USA flag is insulting. I mean the US army carried it when defeating the Confederates. People in the northern states also owned slaves. But I wouldn't want to have to change it.
The flag means what you think it means. Some people display it out of southern pride, some because they think it's badass, some use it to signify their hate. You could say the same about most symbols. I see your point and you can make many of the same arguments to get rid of the USA flag.
Did the U.S. flag fly over the Japanese internment camps? I mean if we're talking oppression. . . . |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Not specific to the flag but the tragedy. Based on what the article says this is a knee jerk reaction that ruined a man's career. http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/29381345/former-mabank-firefighter... |
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| Racism in this world will never go away. Unfortunately it has been made worse by the current administration. We do however need to take steps everyday amongst ourselves to change what we can change. Any positive step in the right direction undermines the media and the powers that be to keep racism alive. Removing the confederate "battle" flag is a huge step in the right direction. Regardless of what most people believe, the battle flag is not a symbol of Southern Pride, unless of course you believe in segregation and stand with the KKK. If you don't, then support removing it. Take a minute to do some research into the battle flag.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-06-22 10:00 PM
So I wonder what will be next. What about the Mississippi state flag? What about the states with "Stars and Bars" flags like Texas and Georgia? Wasn't the Stars and Bars the real flag of the Confederacy?
Here are the top 5 state flags they are going after now...
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/flags-some-... |
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