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| I dont think we can control how kids respond to this situation.... I think the common person isnt going to TRY and make that pose. I havent seen anyone saying its cool or good... theyre saying it happens. If kids, teens wants to take that as its the thing to do, we cant control that. But we can control the bullying and meme's being posted using people pictures and plastered all over the internet. |
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-08-05 8:42 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-05 8:30 AM Murphy - 2015-08-05 7:39 AM I was always under the impression it wasn't a good thing? I'm 150 pounds and know it wouldn't feel too great slamming back down on my horse like that. But I'm not riding an NFR horse and I can't imagine the torque they have coming off a barrel. It's not a good thing, but it happens. Sometimes habitually, sometimes just because you get popped up by a strong, hard-running horse in a bad moment. I do wish pics of winning riders doing it and being glorified for it would go away because it encourages kids to imitate it rather than learn to kick correctly from the knee down.
Someone posted a pic of Sherry on facebook doing it. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | dianeguinn - 2015-08-06 10:23 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-08-05 8:42 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-05 8:30 AM Murphy - 2015-08-05 7:39 AM I was always under the impression it wasn't a good thing? I'm 150 pounds and know it wouldn't feel too great slamming back down on my horse like that. But I'm not riding an NFR horse and I can't imagine the torque they have coming off a barrel. It's not a good thing, but it happens. Sometimes habitually, sometimes just because you get popped up by a strong, hard-running horse in a bad moment. I do wish pics of winning riders doing it and being glorified for it would go away because it encourages kids to imitate it rather than learn to kick correctly from the knee down. Someone posted a pic of Sherry on facebook doing it.
That picture isn't quite the same thing.... Comparing the two is ridiculous.
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Location: Oklahoma | cyount2009 - 2015-08-05 10:14 AM
I have to say, I love this forum. This morning when I checked my facebook it was blown up with "starfish" pictures. I have been running for 27 years, I have been down the road both rodeoing and to jackpots and this is a term I have never, ever heard of. So I came here to find out the heck was going on!
Any who, it isn't any body's business how a person rides. We all make mistakes, we all get out of position, if you claim you never have you're lying to yourself. We all have our opinions on how others ride BUT the adult thing to do is keep it to yourself unless your opinion is asked for. Cutting someone else down to make you feel better, pah-leese! Get a life.
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-08-06 10:26 AM
dianeguinn - 2015-08-06 10:23 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-08-05 8:42 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-05 8:30 AM Murphy - 2015-08-05 7:39 AM I was always under the impression it wasn't a good thing? I'm 150 pounds and know it wouldn't feel too great slamming back down on my horse like that. But I'm not riding an NFR horse and I can't imagine the torque they have coming off a barrel. It's not a good thing, but it happens. Sometimes habitually, sometimes just because you get popped up by a strong, hard-running horse in a bad moment. I do wish pics of winning riders doing it and being glorified for it would go away because it encourages kids to imitate it rather than learn to kick correctly from the knee down. Someone posted a pic of Sherry on facebook doing it.
The admin has already deleted a post with the picture on here.
Ok. I really don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care if you do it or you don't. If it gets Sarah to the pay window, I doubt she cares what the haters say. lol I sure don't. If it would get me to the paywindow, I'd do it, but I'm kinda like the one that said they're too old and fat to stay with their horse....that's me! lol I wonder what that group would have to say about my magic seat? ROFLMAO |
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Location: Beggs, OK | I know that this centered on Sarah, but that isn't what my concern is with this issue. What I stated previously in this thread is that posting those pictures and praising it as good riding or "hustle" is sending the wrong message to young riders. Very few people have the physical strength or timing it takes to ride a horse that fast, kick that efficiently, and not be completely out of position and hindering their horse.
Yes, we have all been out of position and could have a photo snapped just like that, but it doesn't mean that you're doing anything right. |
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| I agree with rachellyn. I can see why Sarah Rose does it. I've watched Bling enough to say that very few people could stay clean on that mare. That's why her and Sarah are a great team. Fallon was very little at her first NFR. like most small kids, she learned to "hustle hustle kick kick". She still rides like she did at the age of 8. It works for her. With that said, there are a few exceptions to every rule. Sarah and Fallon are exceptions. Starfishing, IMHO, is not something for the normal people to aspire to do. It's hard on an average horse. It's really hard on a horse with a 160+ pound rider. I go to jackpots and cringe at the poor horsemanship as people kick for all their worth while ripping on heads. Most of those horses look miserable. Same with parents screaming to kick and hustle when the horse is clearly giving them everything it has. To each their own though. While I personally HATE the starfish...I'm certainly not going to bash any NFR girl (or anyone else for that matter) for doing it. Especially when it's obviously working for them. "Not my circus, not my monkeys". |
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Location: Kentucky | rachellyn80 - 2015-08-06 11:42 AM I know that this centered on Sarah, but that isn't what my concern is with this issue. What I stated previously in this thread is that posting those pictures and praising it as good riding or "hustle" is sending the wrong message to young riders. Very few people have the physical strength or timing it takes to ride a horse that fast, kick that efficiently, and not be completely out of position and hindering their horse.
Yes, we have all been out of position and could have a photo snapped just like that, but it doesn't mean that you're doing anything right.
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-08-06 10:42 AM
I know that this centered on Sarah, but that isn't what my concern is with this issue. What I stated previously in this thread is that posting those pictures and praising it as good riding or "hustle" is sending the wrong message to young riders. Very few people have the physical strength or timing it takes to ride a horse that fast, kick that efficiently, and not be completely out of position and hindering their horse.
Yes, we have all been out of position and could have a photo snapped just like that, but it doesn't mean that you're doing anything right.
This! I didn't know what in the world was going on until I searched the "hashtag" on Facebook. I see many young riders (and even quite a few experienced riders) saying it's a good thing and the only way you know you're really trying. Makes me worry for the future generations of barrel racing. There are already so many lacking in horsemanship and using nasty bits and shortcuts to win faster... |
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Location: Texas!! | I think the pictures are very deceptive. Most of the riders actually have their weight in their stirrups, they don't actually hit the saddle seat with their full weight. Lots of them ride with short stirrups, (picture a jockey) and use their saddle horn to get up and hustle the correct way. That's why you don't notice it in videos, they are not bouncing on the horses back. If you see a bareback starfish, that might be a little different, LOL!! |
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| lol i have seen a cuople of riders that do this all the time literally come off the horse and hit the ground as they were coming home they had already left the barrel and were half way home its the way they ride
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| rodeodelux - 2015-08-06 12:12 PM
I think the pictures are very deceptive. Most of the riders actually have their weight in their stirrups, they don't actually hit the saddle seat with their full weight. Lots of them ride with short stirrups, (picture a jockey) and use their saddle horn to get up and hustle the correct way. That's why you don't notice it in videos, they are not bouncing on the horses back. If you see a bareback starfish, that might be a little different, LOL!!
Nothing to add, except that the dog in your pic is ADORABLE!!! |
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| I had no idea what "starfishing" was, either. I thought it was falling off backwards and landing...SPLAT!!! All four limbs out like a starfish. Guess I was wrong!!!  |
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Location: Oregon | It's not like barrel racing is the epitomy of good horsemanship or great equitation, it's our sport but I don't expect people in other disciplines to admire our riding style. Especially since most people don't know a great barrel racing jockey from a backyard barrel racer, they all get judged as the same sport.
It's a timed event, the fastest rise to the top. Just like the best horses, they don't all have perfect style.
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-06 1:43 PM
I had no idea what "starfishing" was, either. I thought it was falling off backwards and landing...SPLAT!!! All four limbs out like a starfish. Guess I was wrong!!!
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Location: Kansas | I just googled what "starfishing" means......I do not ever want a mental picture of that EVER again. |
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| Like someone else said, barrel racing isn't a horsemanship competition. All that matters is keeping up the cans and hauling home. Fastest time wins. Why the hell do people care what they look like doing it? I don't see anyone judging winning championships.
This is coming from someone who can win horsemanship and equitation classes left and right, then goes and runs barrels and has plenty of 'starfishing' pictures. Who cares what you look like as long as you stop the clock? Why do people need to be such BULLIES?! No point to it.
ETA: Found a still from our last run on poles, my powerhouse of a mare can 'turn and burn', the results aren't always pretty when you PAUSE the video. haha
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-08-06 2:24 PM
Like someone else said, barrel racing isn't a horsemanship competition. All that matters is keeping up the cans and hauling home. Fastest time wins. Why the hell do people care what they look like doing it? I don't see anyone judging winning championships.
This is coming from someone who can win horsemanship and equitation classes left and right, then goes and runs barrels and has plenty of 'starfishing' pictures. Who cares what you look like as long as you stop the clock? Why do people need to be such BULLIES?! No point to it.
My barrel racing trainer says the same thing...no one is judging my equitation, I have plenty of medals from hunters back in the day. If I am so worried about my equitation and commenting on someone else's and they kick my behind...then I need to forget my equitation and do whatever it takes to stop the clock. Of course, appalling to me...but I agree that the less "movement" leaves less to be left behind when your horse really takes off. I guess my point is that when I get to the NFR I will judge other NFR qualifiers' equitation and riding styles. Until then I am gonna shut up. |
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Location: London Ontario | with that being said, if you truly are a good horsemanship rider, you should be able to somewhat maintain that level of riding regardless of what you are doing. Unfortunately I see way to many barrel racers who just plain cant ride....back to the OP, I think people should just mind their own business and we would all get along just fine! |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Either way, I don't go fast enough to starfish. |
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