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| oija - 2015-09-24 9:41 AM
Okay this is silly. But I get to be at the top of page 4.
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Location: where the wind blows | In reference to my NFR TV coverage post. If the ERA airs on a tv channel that I can actually get in Canada I will start following it.
My loyalties will switch, as following the PRCA and then not being able to watch the finals is pointless to me. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | oija - 2015-09-24 9:41 AM Okay this is silly. But I get to be at the top of page 4.
I thought I attached a smiley face with a ribbon.... Why did it become a Santa?
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| This is going to come down to who gets the best legal council. So far, I haven't seen anything from either side that looks like they have gotten any great advice. | |
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| I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants. | |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 9:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants.
Calgary has done well with the no sanctioning.... besides barrel racing but that's a whole different can of worms. | |
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| jkrm - 2015-09-24 10:03 AM In reference to my NFR TV coverage post. If the ERA airs on a tv channel that I can actually get in Canada I will start following it.
My loyalties will switch, as following the PRCA and then not being able to watch the finals is pointless to me.
ERA will air on Fox Sports 1.
This channel is a fairly new venture to try and compete with ESPN. Right now they are looking for live sports to fill 24 hours of content. In the short run, poor ratings may be tolerated. Two years from now, it wont. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TXBO - 2015-09-24 10:33 AM This is going to come down to who gets the best legal council. So far, I haven't seen anything from either side that looks like they have gotten any great advice.
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| komet. - 2015-09-24 12:27 PM TXBO - 2015-09-24 10:33 AM This is going to come down to who gets the best legal council. So far, I haven't seen anything from either side that looks like they have gotten any great advice. Whoever tells the best story wins John Quincy Adams..
Darn.. You ARE Old School!!!
LOL. The new bylaws read like they were written by a prison GED sudent. | |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | TXBO - 2015-09-23 4:13 PM crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. It's certainly a difficult task. You're probably right ...... but they once said the same thing about NASCAR.
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| willrodeo4food - 2015-09-24 1:08 PM TXBO - 2015-09-23 4:13 PM crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. It's certainly a difficult task. You're probably right ...... but they once said the same thing about NASCAR.
NASCAR had some pretty shrewd promoters with big money behind it's popularity growth.
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| I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
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Location: 'Hawk Country | BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 11:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants.
As of last year, Cheyenne wasn't interested in going with the ERA. The committee asked why would they want only a few contestants to come to their town instead of the hundreds they get. Things can always change, but that is where they were last year. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ozcancrasher13 - 2015-09-24 8:30 PM BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 11:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants. As of last year, Cheyenne wasn't interested in going with the ERA. The committee asked why would they want only a few contestants to come to their town instead of the hundreds they get. Things can always change, but that is where they were last year.
And thats where alot of the rodeo committies stand. The rodeo's are a huge boost to the local economy. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
Everyone has really good points...I find myself 'liking' what everyone has to say. I don't agree with all of it...but everyone has good points. The PRCA hasn't put the cowboys first in a really really long time...if ever...I'm only 30 yo...lol...I have no idea. They have made things pretty difficult on the cowboys through the years...much like the WPRA has on its cowgirls. Of all the rule change propositions set out by the members and 'athletes' in both associations hardly any...if any...are approved. There may be valid reason for some of them...for instance...because of PETA, the "no jerk-down" rule in the PRCA for tie-down....I can see why they may have implemented that. At the same time we have guys trying to flank yearlings right now haha because they didn't then go to their contractors with any standards on the size of calves they can bring. So fans are now watching our top guys get mauled...and the cowboys aren't winning much. In the same regards, I went to a couple rodeos where I swear to GAWD the calves still had mother's milk on their breath they were so tiny....how in the world are you NOT going to jerk one down. I guess the ERA is trying to do things their way...different from how some guys around a board meeting think things need to be done. LETS NOT FORGET HOW MUCH MONEY THEY STAND TO MAKE AS OWNERS AND HOW MANY OF THEM WILL BE SET UP LOOOOONG AFTER THEY RETIRE OR STOP WINNING. SO NO...the PRCA doesn't care about the cowboys or cowgirls (our ground)........and the ERA was founded to make people rich. Period. Champions Challenges televise the best of the best throughout the year at that time....so that is not what this is about.."growing the sport". This is about the ERA athletes doing it their way and making a ton of money in the process. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 12:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I can't say, maybe when it started? (Just guessing cuz that was before my time). The way I see it, PRCA ways are PRCA ways, they aren't going to change. PRCA contestants in the past eventually retired from rodeo because they got tired of the travelling and having to live like a carny, (among lots of other things). But they all knew going into it what was required to play the sport, so why could they complain about it? It was their choice to participate in it even though they were well aware of all it's downfalls. It's kind of like, why try to take a run at the Triple Crown in racing when you know going into it that it is very hard to win all three races and then complain about how it has always been ran since the beginning of time? Like, why choose to be a PRCA member and enter PRCA rodeos when you know that it's not an easy lifestyle if your goal is to get to the NFR?
ERA is a new organization that is created to give cowboys a better quality of life while still being able to play the sport that they love- I think they have the right to do that, their only other option is to step away from professional rodeo because the travel and other PRCA pain in the arse issues are not worth the hassle anymore. Obviously, they don't want to retire like others have had to in the past when they no longer liked the rodeo road. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | trickster j - 2015-09-25 6:27 PM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 12:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
ERA is a new organization that is created to give cowboys a better quality of life while still being able to play the sport that they love- I think they have the right to do that, their only other option is to step away from professional rodeo because the travel and other PRCA pain in the arse issues are not worth the hassle anymore. Obviously, they don't want to retire like others have had to in the past when they no longer liked the rodeo road.
^^^^^ THIS.......I am old ..... and for years the PRCA has tried to keep the cowboys "under their thumb" and NEVER really listened to those who traveled up and down the road trying to making a living!  | |
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