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Location: Buffalo, TX | I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... | |
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| I think that many of the 'top' competitors ride horses owned by other people. Since the true owners never seem to get mentioned, most people assume the person doing the riding is the owner. I think that is a crying shame that these owners don't get more mention when these people are winning on their horses, and especially the owners that are paying some of the tab going down the road.
I don't have a problem with it, just wish some of the credit could spill over to the people in the background.
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| He has been listed as owner for a bit now. Riding someone else's horse will never last forever. Doesn't make sense when one thinks it will even with a verbal contract that it will. People and circumstances change all the time. I feel bad for her loss, but I can't imagine one thinking it would never end.
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL  MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
$700K
Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it.
As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
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Location: Missouri | The futurity horse owners always get mentioned and almost always have an outside rider. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM
miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
$700K
Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it.
As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
So, this is beginning to sound like a familiar MO. | |
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| I tried plugging in the case # and stuff listed by one of the other posters on here- I cant find anything. I must be doing something wrong.. :(
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| nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
It will be interesting to see the courts reaction to that claim. If I were Mr. J., I would argue that her winnings were more that equitable renumeration for the "training". | |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM
nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
Plus she got the D
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Location: Sperry, OK | arion - 2015-10-29 3:11 PM TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess. Plus she got the D
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Location: That part of Texas | nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
It probably will take a few days before the final order or judgment is approved by both parties (with them hammering out language details) and getting the judge's approval before it's officially signed and filed with the clerk. I know if I were drafting this one, I'd want to look it over a bit and make sure things read right before sending it to the other side for their consideration. There's also the possibility (at least in theory) that one side might wish to appeal a portion of the ruling itself so it's not a guaranteed end to it all. | |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM
nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
The judge did not rule on that. My understanding is all of that was hashed out in the settlement meeting before they actually went to court. The judge issued a bench ruling on motion by Mr J for immediate ownership and possession of Movin. The rest of the mess was settled pre-court via negotiation between parties and their attorneys.
There were actually 5 horses named in the suit. As far as I know, there was no exchange of cash.
She did get to keep 2 mares, the foals she posted pics of, and a pretty nice horse named "Flashy French Kirk". | |
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| nousername - 2015-10-29 3:38 PM TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess. The judge did not rule on that. My understanding is all of that was hashed out in the settlement meeting before they actually went to court. The judge issued a bench ruling on motion by Mr J for immediate ownership and possession of Movin. The rest of the mess was settled pre-court via negotiation between parties and their attorneys. There were actually 5 horses named in the suit. As far as I know, there was no exchange of cash. She did get to keep 2 mares, the foals she posted pics of, and a pretty nice horse named "Flashy French Kirk".
I hear the argument, "the horse is worth more because I rode it", all the time. What the courts think about that argument in different senarios would be interesting to read. | |
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| Cindy Hamilton - 2015-10-29 1:34 PM I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... | |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Easy Rider - 2015-10-29 4:25 PM
Cindy Hamilton - 2015-10-29 1:34 PM I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... Lol yeah you have been living under a rock and now that you are out... Google......
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | MO gal - 2015-10-29 11:44 AM
I think that many of the 'top' competitors ride horses owned by other people. Since the true owners never seem to get mentioned, most people assume the person doing the riding is the owner. I think that is a crying shame that these owners don't get more mention when these people are winning on their horses, and especially the owners that are paying some of the tab going down the road.
I don't have a problem with it, just wish some of the credit could spill over to the people in the background.
Yeah! I've noticed that even the calf horses get a mention if they are owned by someone else. But then again CBS has an analyst who is more in the loop. (no pun intended) | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I wonder what one of the TV judges would have said. | |
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| barrelracer1983 - 2015-10-29 5:06 PM
I wonder what one of the TV judges would have said.
Bahahaha!!! Judge Judy might have gone to town on BOTH of them!!  | |
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Location: Florida | All I know is in everything in my life I have lived by the CCR song "God bless the child who has his own." If you don't own it, you can't say what happens to it. | |
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