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      Location: The best kept secret in TX | moeandme2008 - 2015-11-10 12:27 PM Absolutely! I am in sales and would love to have a pay raise and travel less. Only way to do that is to get a different job.
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I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Â
Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter.
I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion.
I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person.
Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 6:44 AM
 It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.  Â
I agree if they are 100% into the era then don't go to the nfr this year. I find it funny they are saying how bad the prca is when the prca MADE them champions. If they leave there are lots of hungry cowboys and cowgirl ready to take their places.
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      Location: The edge of no where | TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them. | |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them.
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TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.  Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??  10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them.Â
I think they should step back and look at other people struggling financially with their jobs and families. Such as our Teachers, our Military, and those people who help you every day, when you are shopping, buying from the feed stores, drive thru at fast food places. Being involved in a sport is your choice. Rodeo is becoming more and more like baseball. After the strike, I don't pay attention to them. I will watch a games like the Royals in the series, but the last series was Boston after 84 years. I don't have to watch rodeo. | |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them.       
BINGO!!! The PRCA has brought this situation on themselves. They have failed at bringing the sport into the 21st centruy. They long ago quit caring about the thoughts, feelings, ideas of the general membership. Politics at it finest where the "self promotion" of the management trumps the working stiffs. | |
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where is all this money going to come from?
Where is it now?
I could be totally botching this, so forgive me.
It is reportedly coming from tax funds out of of Texas, with the intent that it will be paid back. Or something.
I honestly don't care enough to research it. I wish we could all find a different horse to beat. This is the same "PRCA is a bunch of puppy kickers! ERA farts glitter and craps gold! Nuh uh. Yes huh. Nuh uh. Yes huh." conversation. | |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | arion - 2015-11-11 9:54 AM where is all this money going to come from? Where is it now?
I agree...kind of like fast food servers demanding $15.00 an hour.
Rodeo has evolved and back in my day, I never thought I would see rodeo contestants running for the kind of money they are. They will never be equal with other sports because they don't have the fan base to support the big bucks that baseball, basketball and football have. It's reality and sometimes reality sucks. | |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | svincent - 2015-11-11 11:06 AM arion - 2015-11-11 7:54 AM where is all this money going to come from? Where is it now? I could be totally botching this, so forgive me. It is reportedly coming from tax funds out of of Texas, with the intent that it will be paid back. Or something. I honestly don't care enough to research it. I wish we could all find a different horse to beat. This is the same "PRCA is a bunch of puppy kickers! ERA farts glitter and craps gold! Nuh uh. Yes huh. Nuh uh. Yes huh." conversation. The money from Texas is a special account that is given for someone to put on a big event..Example a political convention or a big sports event. The idea is the state will give so much money to help put on the event and Texas hopes to get all that money back plus some through tax revenue from all the people coming in to watch the event.
You can google ETF/MTF if you want to read about it.
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| Sorry. Not sorry. The platform for the ERA was to travel less, make more money so they could be with family. I certainly appreciate the sentiment and most of us would LOVE to work less and make more money. I left an executive job making 3x the money I do now so I could have more time for my family, to be a better wife, mother and of course actually have time for my horses without feeling guilty. As has alreaeen pointed out their qualifying system isn't one in which THEY HOST OR SANCTION. They're not doing the work or paying the $. They've basically given the prca the middle finger, an organization in which made them champions. I'm not saying the prca is perfect but it was good enough for them for MANY years and titles. This years nfr round payout is 27k? Is that not evolvement?
For those of you arguing about breaking even and retirement etc. Seriously? Trevor, charmayne, Fallon and I'm sure others all have endorsement deals from multiple companies, not to mention being some of them being multimillion dollar winners over the duration of their career. I think MOST people worry about having enough for retirement, welcome to reality. I'm not sympathetic to their "plight" based off those arguments. Quite frankly these elite are coming across as arrogant and narcissistic much like the other sports celebrities. | |
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| iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 12:57 PM
Sorry. Not sorry. The platform for the ERA was to travel less, make more money so they could be with family. I certainly appreciate the sentiment and most of us would LOVE to work less and make more money. I left an executive job making 3x the money I do now so I could have more time for my family, to be a better wife, mother and of course actually have time for my horses without feeling guilty. As has alreaeen pointed out their qualifying system isn't one in which THEY HOST OR SANCTION. They're not doing the work or paying the $. They've basically given the prca the middle finger, an organization in which made them champions. I'm not saying the prca is perfect but it was good enough for them for MANY years and titles. This years nfr round payout is 27k? Is that not evolvement?
For those of you arguing about breaking even and retirement etc. Seriously? Trevor, charmayne, Fallon and I'm sure others all have endorsement deals from multiple companies, not to mention being some of them being multimillion dollar winners over the duration of their career. I think MOST people worry about having enough for retirement, welcome to reality. I'm not sympathetic to their "plight" based off those arguments. Quite frankly these elite are coming across as arrogant and narcissistic much like the other sports celebrities.
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them.        BINGO!!! The PRCA has brought this situation on themselves. They have failed at bringing the sport into the 21st centruy. They long ago quit caring about the thoughts, feelings, ideas of the general membership. Politics at it finest where the "self promotion" of the management trumps the working stiffs.
I am not a big fan of the PRCA or WPRA and how they treat contestants. BUT...that being said...their job as an organization is to put on rodeos...rodeos all over the country...circuit rodeos for people that dont want to go super far, as many rodeos as they can so that people have something to go to all year around if that is truly how they "make a living."......and that is what they do...they put on rodeos....they dont cater to cowboys or cowgirls...if you dont like the way they do stuff then dont enter....or do like the ERA and create your own association....and do your OWN things, with your OWN money, off your OWN rules and be done with it. It is NOT the PRCA's job to retire cowboys. No one is FORCING these guys down the road. Now, if they dont want to go as far then dont...if you cant make a living at your new associations 15 tour rodeos then go to some ammys, go to some jackpots....get a REAL job. No one said you had to rodeo, its a PRIVILEGE, no one owes you the chance to rodeo for the rest of your life and get rich off of it. I say LET THEM enter the PRCA rodeos as well.....we will see who REALLY wanted to rodeo less and stay home......I'd take bets on how many made just as many rodeos to get to both the NFR and ERA tour rodeos. You are going to tell me that someome SO concerned with rodeoing for a living and making money is going to take a chance at not making enough PRCA rodeos to run at 27k / Night at the NFR. YEAH RIGHT. They want the ERA to make them money AND they still will haul their butts off to get to the NFR. I dont care if PRCA lets them compete...I think they should...why not???!! But i think ERA is coming off of an arrogant, entitled, narcissistic and UNGRATEFUL association and needs a new PR manager STAT. | |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | And because you make money, it also doesn't guarantee that you are going to have any money left when you do retire. Look at all the football players making millions that end up dead broke.
For many people rodeo is never leaving your childhood playground and not having to grow up. You know this coming in and no one is blowing smoke that you are going to make tons of money and retire well. It sucks being a grownup and having to make grownup decisions.
The ERA, IMO, is already proving that it's not going to help the masses that want to rodeo. They are making the PRCA look pretty good instead of making them look bad. Like someone else said...The ERA is like a traveling Disney on Ice show.
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | kwanatha - 2015-11-11 3:14 PM i know a lot of people that have worked over 60 hours a week for over 30 years and are very good at what they do. they are worried about retirement. I really don't forsee me being able to keep my place or lifestyle when I retire. When you quit working most of us will have to down grade it is part of life
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