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Location: Georgia | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-29 9:43 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-28 2:35 PM I made a collage so I would only have to upload one picture lol.
Edited to add: please excuse the black marks. We have been using sharpie to mark the swelling.
Thank you. Im inclined to agree and I will admit I got a tiny bit defensive earlier at the clinic. A full picture (which I will get one for you guys to see) would show a definite lack of muscle tone around his withers and point of hip. And I agree he could use a pick up in those areas. I guess I just attributed it to age and his overall comformation.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Runninbay - 2015-12-29 9:12 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-29 9:43 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-28 2:35 PM I made a collage so I would only have to upload one picture lol.
Edited to add: please excuse the black marks. We have been using sharpie to mark the swelling.
Well heck with a bit of age we all can get a little pot belly, lol
And another thing look at all those dapples, to me if he was lacking for good food he sure would not have those.. |
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Location: Arkansas | Totally agree with you Roxie---I was looking at those dapples!!! I think he looks good. Do we know how old be is? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-12-29 11:55 PM Totally agree with you Roxie---I was looking at those dapples!!! I think he looks good. Do we know how old be is?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Runninbay - 2015-12-29 9:03 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-29 9:34 PM he doesn't look thin to me.... I see the withers but my 6yo has a weak topline. Its the way some horses are built. I don't think I believe the "under weight" thing and I hope they aren't grasping at straws trying to give you an answer. I guess that means they didn't ultrasound :/ He is built differently and even as a 5 year old, he didn't have great topline. When I used to ride him during the week it definitely improved his overall appearance but anytime he has sat in the pasture for a few months, his topline gets saggy. That's why the vet suggested a Cushings test. But this horse sheds out beautifully every summer so I'm a little skeptical. But it can't hurt to test him at this point. Unfortunately, even the other vet didn't think an ultrasound was necessary. After inspecting the swelling she said its textbook edema. They did say if the antibiotic hasn't brought the swelling down in a week then we will most likely ultrasound. So now we just wait.
So does that mean you have to haul back and are charged an additional clinic fee?...
I am just curious. I've been following since day one but i'm not sure why the vet would inadvertently tell you no when you asked for an ultrasound without any evidence as to why it was not needed other than "I think it's textbook edema". If she is not charging you each time you go the office then I understand why no ultrasound, but if she IS charging you each time you haul up there then I begin to question their motives... I am in no way bashing your vet. I am not a vet and I have no idea what it could be it just rubs me the wrong way to think you will have to haul back for something you previously asked for. Does this make sense? .... I hope I'm making sense.
I also really hope your vet is correct in the diagnosis and that the swelling goes down for your boys sake. Hugs to you!  |
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Location: Georgia | IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-30 6:57 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-29 9:03 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-29 9:34 PM he doesn't look thin to me.... I see the withers but my 6yo has a weak topline. Its the way some horses are built. I don't think I believe the "under weight" thing and I hope they aren't grasping at straws trying to give you an answer. I guess that means they didn't ultrasound :/ He is built differently and even as a 5 year old, he didn't have great topline. When I used to ride him during the week it definitely improved his overall appearance but anytime he has sat in the pasture for a few months, his topline gets saggy. That's why the vet suggested a Cushings test. But this horse sheds out beautifully every summer so I'm a little skeptical. But it can't hurt to test him at this point. Unfortunately, even the other vet didn't think an ultrasound was necessary. After inspecting the swelling she said its textbook edema. They did say if the antibiotic hasn't brought the swelling down in a week then we will most likely ultrasound. So now we just wait.
I am just curious. I've been following since day one but i'm not sure why the vet would inadvertently tell you no when you asked for an ultrasound without any evidence as to why it was not needed other than "I think it's textbook edema". If she is not charging you each time you go the office then I understand why no ultrasound, but if she IS charging you each time you haul up there then I begin to question their motives... I am in no way bashing your vet. I am not a vet and I have no idea what it could be it just rubs me the wrong way to think you will have to haul back for something you previously asked for. Does this make sense? .... I hope I'm making sense.
I also really hope your vet is correct in the diagnosis and that the swelling goes down for your boys sake. Hugs to you!
Well short answer...yes we are still getting charged. However, we were really the ones pushing to bring him in. We wanted to other vet to look him over in person and didnt feel like paying a trip fee. Fortuntely, this clinic is located a short 15 minutes from our house. So its not a big deal to haul a horse in. But yes, it does make sense what you are saying. And I agree on some level. I was hoping since he was there, they might just go ahead and do the ultrasound. But at the same time, we didnt force the procedure. So we are at fault as well.
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Location: Arkansas | Runninbay - 2015-12-30 8:00 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-30 6:57 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-29 9:03 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-29 9:34 PM he doesn't look thin to me.... I see the withers but my 6yo has a weak topline. Its the way some horses are built. I don't think I believe the "under weight" thing and I hope they aren't grasping at straws trying to give you an answer. I guess that means they didn't ultrasound :/ He is built differently and even as a 5 year old, he didn't have great topline. When I used to ride him during the week it definitely improved his overall appearance but anytime he has sat in the pasture for a few months, his topline gets saggy. That's why the vet suggested a Cushings test. But this horse sheds out beautifully every summer so I'm a little skeptical. But it can't hurt to test him at this point. Unfortunately, even the other vet didn't think an ultrasound was necessary. After inspecting the swelling she said its textbook edema. They did say if the antibiotic hasn't brought the swelling down in a week then we will most likely ultrasound. So now we just wait.Â
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I am just curious. I've been following since day one but i'm not sure why the vet would inadvertently tell you no when you asked for an ultrasound without any evidence as to why it was not needed other than "I think it's textbook edema". If she is not charging you each time you go the office then I understand why no ultrasound, but if she IS charging you each time you haul up there then I begin to question their motives... I am in no way bashing your vet. I am not a vet and I have no idea what it could be it just rubs me the wrong way to think you will have to haul back for something you previously asked for. Does this make sense? .... I hope I'm making sense.Â
I also really hope your vet is correct in the diagnosis and that the swelling goes down for your boys sake. Hugs to you! Â
How is he today? I'd love to see a picture of his whole body. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-12-30 8:12 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-30 8:00 PM IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-30 6:57 PM Runninbay - 2015-12-29 9:03 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-29 9:34 PM he doesn't look thin to me.... I see the withers but my 6yo has a weak topline. Its the way some horses are built. I don't think I believe the "under weight" thing and I hope they aren't grasping at straws trying to give you an answer. I guess that means they didn't ultrasound :/ He is built differently and even as a 5 year old, he didn't have great topline. When I used to ride him during the week it definitely improved his overall appearance but anytime he has sat in the pasture for a few months, his topline gets saggy. That's why the vet suggested a Cushings test. But this horse sheds out beautifully every summer so I'm a little skeptical. But it can't hurt to test him at this point. Unfortunately, even the other vet didn't think an ultrasound was necessary. After inspecting the swelling she said its textbook edema. They did say if the antibiotic hasn't brought the swelling down in a week then we will most likely ultrasound. So now we just wait.
I am just curious. I've been following since day one but i'm not sure why the vet would inadvertently tell you no when you asked for an ultrasound without any evidence as to why it was not needed other than "I think it's textbook edema". If she is not charging you each time you go the office then I understand why no ultrasound, but if she IS charging you each time you haul up there then I begin to question their motives... I am in no way bashing your vet. I am not a vet and I have no idea what it could be it just rubs me the wrong way to think you will have to haul back for something you previously asked for. Does this make sense? .... I hope I'm making sense.
I also really hope your vet is correct in the diagnosis and that the swelling goes down for your boys sake. Hugs to you! How is he today? I'd love to see a picture of his whole body.
I was wondering the same thing, hows he doing today and what is the swelling doing, is it going down still? |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Glad to hear your boy is making progress.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Any updates for us today ? |
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| If your horse has had a laminitic episode, make sure before they test for cushings, you know the procedure.
Some vets still use the injecting IV dexamethasone waiting 8 hours (I think) then pulling blood. The dex will probably cause your horse to founder since he has had laminitis prior.
The new test tests the acth hormone level, I just read up on it in my vet text and you need to make sure they follow the procedure to a t. No glass, rapid separation from rbc and freezing of plasma before shipment is the quick version |
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Location: Arkansas | Praying for your boy and hoping for an update |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Just out of curiosity, what is this horses normal diet? ...and what was he on when he had the laminitic episode?
Loss of topline, ventral edema, anorexia, fever, intestinal inflammation, etc...all point to a digestive issue. Have they mentioned any kind of cardiac concern with the edema? |
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Location: Florida.. | rachellyn80 - 2015-12-31 11:41 PM Just out of curiosity, what is this horses normal diet? ...and what was he on when he had the laminitic episode?
Loss of topline, ventral edema, anorexia, fever, intestinal inflammation, etc...all point to a digestive issue. Have they mentioned any kind of cardiac concern with the edema?
Thats what I am wondering if they have checked heart. ventral edema is a symptom of heart issues |
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Location: Texas | We had an Appaloosa gelding with the same symptoms. He was diagnosed with Purpura Hemorrhagia. Had to keep your of the sunlight and give antibiotics. Definitely take your horse to the vet. Our gelding's swelling was his whole underbelly, from between his front legs all the way to between his back legs. The swelling hung down over 6 inches from his body. He was in performance shape. The vet could not explain why or how.
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| Dudette - 2016-01-01 8:14 PM
 We had an Appaloosa gelding with the same symptoms.  He was diagnosed with Purpura Hemorrhagia.  Had to keep your of the sunlight and give antibiotics.  Definitely take your horse to the vet.  Our gelding's swelling was his whole underbelly, from between his front legs all the way to between his back legs.  The swelling hung down over 6 inches from his body.  He was in performance shape.  The vet could not explain why or how.
Question, was your horse vaccinated for strangles? |
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Location: TExas | Bastard Strangles???? A lot of horses are getting strangles this year. Older ones, some that have been vaccinated and all. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cowgirlup012002 - 2016-01-02 1:28 PM Bastard Strangles???? A lot of horses are getting strangles this year. Older ones, some that have been vaccinated and all.
I went to go look at a horse a few years back and the horses that it was with were all sick looking, then the man comes out side to talk to his wife and was telling her that some of their horses have bastard strangels I almost came unglued because the horses had open sores on their legs and underbellys oozzing. I left in a hurry and striped all my clothes and boots and threw them all in the washer and disenfected my truck and myself, I was freaked. So with BS they can bust open anywhere on their bodys and drain, nasty stuff. |
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Location: TExas | Yep and sometimes they dont bust, or bust internaly. Bad thing. Some reason thisyear a lot of horses arebreaking out with it htat have never had problems in the past. This weather has really made it bad think |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cowgirlup012002 - 2016-01-02 2:33 PM Yep and sometimes they dont bust, or bust internaly. Bad thing. Some reason thisyear a lot of horses arebreaking out with it htat have never had problems in the past. This weather has really made it bad think
Think goodness I have never have dealt with BS are just strangles.. That place I went to was in Floresville that I came across the BS and I never went back to that place ever.. Scared me silly, lol.. |
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