lhighquality - 2016-01-28 9:47 AM

Some times it isn't about being right or wrong, it comes down to how the situation is handled that makes the difference!!!

VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM

Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.

Tdove - 2016-01-28 11:43 AM From a business side, it is always best to do what is morally right. I feel like my first obligation as a business is to be ethical and morally conscience. As a customer, I feel doing business with morally correct individuals and businesses, is at the very top of my priority list.

VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.

runnink - 2016-01-28 11:29 AM from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone

VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM

Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.

VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.

sourkiss378 - 2016-01-28 1:34 PM What you forgot to mention was that the stud owner is Dr. Leonards girlfriend... never mix business and pleasure they say.... 

VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:44 PM

Is there any relation between you and the people you do business with? Or do you only do business with people that you don't like?

TwistedK - 2016-01-28 1:48 PM Considering many of us on here breed horses, we do research. It is a very small community. When there is a situation like this, it raises all sorts of red flags. The vet in question along with his girlfriend sure won't be getting business because of this. Why would we as breeders want to chance the semen of a less than quality stud be used in our mare in lieu of what we paid for? We would love for you to have the vet come on here and give his side of the story. The sire of the foal is NOT a quality stallion in the eyes of many breeders. There are other vets out there that are stand up and practice integrity. That is who I would give my business too. You have a vested interest in the vet, which is why you are posting what you are.

bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.

bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM

Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?

And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.

TwistedK - 2016-01-28 1:13 PM Bless your heart. You're very special.

veintiocho - 2016-01-28 1:56 PM I don't think it was stolen either. I would guess, based on the information here, it was an honest mistake that has turned into something dishonest by the vet practice due to their unwillingness to rectify the situation.