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Location: Texas | SKM - 2016-03-21 10:51 AM rockette - 2016-03-21 9:40 AM SKM - 2016-03-21 10:28 AM horsiace1025 - 2016-03-21 8:39 AMA lot of people are missing the fact that scamper himself was not registered. His dam is listed as unknown. Therefore, if he was a stallion himself, he would not have been able to produce registered foals. Your info if false. Scamper was too registered as was his dam. His registered name is Gills Bay Boy. Drapers Jay is the name of his dam. Wasn't there some controversy once about his papers? I thought I remember that Drapers Jay was a colt stealer. The stallion is for sure, but at one point in time I thought the dam was in question. 1977 was long before DNA testing. In the 80's there were a lot of horses out there that weren't what was claimed. One of the richest race geldings for a long time wasn't by who they claimed his sire was. One of the owners towards the end of this horses life never believed what was claimed so he took a DNA sample and tested it. He was right. Nothing ever came out of it as he want wanting to cause a controversy. He was just wanting to know for himself. The only way to prove Scamper wasn't what was claimed was for Charmayne to test once DNA testing became available. It really wouldn't have served any purpose. Especially if they didn't have any idea who the dam was if he was stolen. In the case of my story, this gentleman gave the testing facility the name of the stallion he suspected as being the true sire. Charmayne would be better off not knowing if there wasn't a suspect mare.
I heard rumors that Easy Jet was actually sired by Good Bird - I assume parly because he and his brother, Jet Smooth, didn't look very much alike.
But I can attest to having full siblings that look nothing alike - one, a racy, solid, brown and the other a stocky, flashy sorrel. So I don't know if that was ever dis/proven in regard to Easy Jet's sire. |
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| cyount2009 - 2016-03-21 3:22 PM
COautumn - 2016-03-21 2:40 PM
SKM - 2016-03-21 6:51 PM rockette - 2016-03-21 9:40 AM SKM - 2016-03-21 10:28 AM horsiace1025 - 2016-03-21 8:39 AMA lot of people are missing the fact that scamper himself was not registered. His dam is listed as unknown. Therefore, if he was a stallion himself, he would not have been able to produce registered foals. Your info if false. Scamper was too registered as was his dam. His registered name is Gills Bay Boy. Drapers Jay is the name of his dam. Wasn't there some controversy once about his papers? I thought I remember that Drapers Jay was a colt stealer. The stallion is for sure, but at one point in time I thought the dam was in question. 1977 was long before DNA testing. In the 80's there were a lot of horses out there that weren't what was claimed. One of the richest race geldings for a long time wasn't by who they claimed his sire was. One of the owners towards the end of this horses life never believed what was claimed so he took a DNA sample and tested it. He was right. Nothing ever came out of it as he want wanting to cause a controversy. He was just wanting to know for himself. The only way to prove Scamper wasn't what was claimed was for Charmayne to test once DNA testing became available. It really wouldn't have served any purpose. Especially if they didn't have any idea who the dam was if he was stolen. In the case of my story, this gentleman gave the testing facility the name of the stallion he suspected as being the true sire. Charmayne would be better off not knowing if there wasn't a suspect mare.
That's what I am getting. It used to happen all the time. A stallion owner would have more than one stud, a credible, proven stud and an "up and coming" producer. To help the "up and comer" they would cover mares with the stud they knew produced winners and put the mare on the "up and comer's" breeding certificate instead. If those babies did well it made the young stud more desirable and increased the stud fee.
It happened the other way around also mostly with an aged stud with a good record but low sperm count. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag. |
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TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
Yea, That sucks! Especially for the few ppl who did believe in him and paid that high price. I bet they are kicking themselves now.
Didn't Shada and Trevor have one out of an outstanding mare? What happened to it? |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | horsiace1025 - 2016-03-22 4:37 PM COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo? The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag. Yea, That sucks! Especially for the few ppl who did believe in him and paid that high price. I bet they are kicking themselves now. Didn't Shada and Trevor have one out of an outstanding mare? What happened to it?
I heard it died in an accident at a young age. |
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| COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM
TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
$1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!! |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 9:17 AM
COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM
TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
$1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!!
Buffalo Ranch still has it at 2,500. |
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| rockette - 2016-03-22 7:23 AM
Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 9:17 AM
COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM
TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
$1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!!
Buffalo Ranch still has it at 2,500.
They need to proof read
"Clayton is an exceptional choice for successfully breading healthy offspring passing on the characteristic traits of his bloodline"
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Location: Dubach, LA | I know assumptions are just that, but I would assume that the big name owners with big name mares didn't have the big stud fee to breed to Clayton. If those first mares didn't produce winners...
The whole thing disappoints me. I wanted him to be a success. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I've only been around 2 and have watched them run and I see them as late bloomers. Both are nice horses but nothing exceptional at this point but it will be interesting to see them when they have fully matured. They are what I would call being horses for the long haul. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-03-22 5:39 PM
rockette - 2016-03-22 7:23 AM
Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 9:17 AM
COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM
TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
$1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!!
Buffalo Ranch still has it at 2,500.
They need to proof read
"Clayton is an exceptional choice for successfully breading healthy offspring passing on the characteristic traits of his bloodline"
No, I'm actually going off what Charmayne had on her website in one of the question and answer sections. I'll see if I can find it, but haven't been on her website in a long time. Someone asked how much his breeding fee was and she responded with $1,000 since it wasn't listed anywhere on her website. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:48 PM
The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-03-22 5:39 PM
rockette - 2016-03-22 7:23 AM
Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 9:17 AM
COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM
TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo?
The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag.
$1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!!
Buffalo Ranch still has it at 2,500.
They need to proof read
"Clayton is an exceptional choice for successfully breading healthy offspring passing on the characteristic traits of his bloodline"
No, I'm actually going off what Charmayne had on her website in one of the question and answer sections. I'll see if I can find it, but haven't been on her website in a long time. Someone asked how much his breeding fee was and she responded with $1,000 since it wasn't listed anywhere on her website.
I am not attacking you. :). He stands at SPD Buffalo Ranch and their website stated 2500. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rockette - 2016-03-23 11:12 AM COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:48 PM The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-03-22 5:39 PM rockette - 2016-03-22 7:23 AM Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 9:17 AM COautumn - 2016-03-22 8:13 AM TyE - 2016-03-22 12:59 AM What about Clayton foals? I can't believe we are not hearing or seeing ANY? I thought CJ had one she called Halo? The only foal I have ever seen competing is Scamper To Dat Cash, who placed in the SuperStakes at BFA in 2013. He was owned by Jud and I believe he sold in their recent December sale. I wouldn't breed to him since his original stud fee was $5,000 and Charmayne dropped it down to $1,000 according to her website. That's a red flag. $1,000? That is it? I did not notice the price tag when I looked at his site last!!! Buffalo Ranch still has it at 2,500. They need to proof read "Clayton is an exceptional choice for successfully breading healthy offspring passing on the characteristic traits of his bloodline" No, I'm actually going off what Charmayne had on her website in one of the question and answer sections. I'll see if I can find it, but haven't been on her website in a long time. Someone asked how much his breeding fee was and she responded with $1,000 since it wasn't listed anywhere on her website. I am not attacking you. : ). He stands at SPD Buffalo Ranch and their website stated 2500.
It started off at $4,000. Most stud fees go up...not down. |
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| Maybe they thought originally that everyone would want to breed to him so they offered it at such a high price. But, when it was unsuccessful they reduced it? Idk but I would never (even if I had the money to spend) pay a high stud fee for a young sire no matter what his parents or in this case genetic twin did. I see lots of nice studs that I wish so bad I could breed to that start off with a high stud fee and it just makes me cry inside because its not feasable to me. If im spending 4k on a stud fee I would breed to something that is high up on the offspring earnings list. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Not Clayton - but did anyone else notice the ad for Guys Duplicate (Genetic Replica of Frenchman's Guy) in the Barrel Racing Report today?
http://www.barrelracingreport.com/issues/3_22_16_BarrelRacingReport_LowRes.pdf |
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| Yes, and I seen the Viagen (cloning company) ad with Mary walker in the Picture?? Whats up with that? Is she gonna clone Latte? |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I haven't heard anything about Another Shot either. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | MS2011 - 2016-03-23 1:18 PM
Not Clayton - but did anyone else notice the ad for Guys Duplicate (Genetic Replica of Frenchman's Guy) in the Barrel Racing Report today?
http://www.barrelracingreport.com/issues/3_22_16_BarrelRacingReport_LowRes.pdf
I wonder where the other two are? |
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