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Location: Gainesville, TX | NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids. | |
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Location: Florida.. | oija - 2016-05-03 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
I am going to have to disagree with some of what you are saying. I have a family who have 30+ years at a well known college. They are a department head. He has enough "sick days" that he will not have to work the last 2-1/2 years AT ALL before he retires. Didn't use them during school so they roll over and now look what he has available to him. What a waste of money. Just because you are tenure doesn't mean you are worth a toot. In fact, it seems that the longer some teachers are on the payroll the worse they get.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-03 12:48 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted where did you copy and  paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful ..  and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons.
Thank you. I appreciate your note. It is very gracious of you. And I certainly did not intend to offend but just offer some answers to the OPs question. | |
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oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.Â
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in.  Administration in your school system is way out of hand. Â
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished.
Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now.
And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing.
We've gotten a bit off topic.
Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. 
I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe. | |
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Location: OH | oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
I agree with a lot of being said but does anyone else see a correlation between the huge tuition increase over the last 30 years and the government involvement by way of grants and student loans ???? | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
I see my family - another person that teaches with a Masters and one with a PHD, who have co-workers who aren't worth a toot. They show up. At the college and high school level. The teachers do the basics just to get them another year on the books. They do lesson plans, etc., give out tests, but basically just push papers and let kids pass because it is easier. But, I imagine that goes in every job market. But, they can't fire them even though their records stink.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
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oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.Â
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in.  Administration in your school system is way out of hand.Â
 So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaksÂ
I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government.
I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This should not be a responsibility of the federal government. Like so many things, it ought to be left up to the individual states to decide if or how college education should be funded. Making this a federal program only adds to the enormity of our skyrocketing national debt.
We should ignore the demagogues who use this idea to advance their own political agenda, and careers. It's a trap. Don't fall for it. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 3:57 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 2:02 PM oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government. I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester.
I am not dishing teachers - but the "system". It is screwing you who want to teach and expand people knowledge and the people who pay for an education. Like probably all of us agree, administrators at this point are the root of the problem. I would not want your job for anything. Too thanksless.
If, however, people got contracts when first employed that states their off days, how they can accrue them etc., that should be honored. But, if a college/schools are having such a hard time getting quality teachers because of low pay and the bad hours you work, something needs to change. I still have a hard time comprehending that some schools in rural OK where the principal is making over $125K and the school is still using books that are out dated by 10-15 years. And, I am sure this is in other states too.
I am not for free college because anything free, means someone else is paying for it and usually it is us, the people who work and pay taxes. And I mean free college the way Bernie wants it, not state sponsored by the lottery etc.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 3:12 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 3:57 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 2:02 PM oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.Â
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in.  Administration in your school system is way out of hand.Â
 So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
 I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government. I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester.
If, however, people got contracts when first employed that states their off days, how they can accrue them etc., that should be honored. But, if a college/schools are having such a hard time getting quality teachers because of low pay and the bad hours you work, something needs to change. I still have a hard time comprehending that some schools in rural OK where the principal is making over $125K and the school is still using books that are out dated by 10-15 years.  And, I am sure this is in other states too.Â
I am not for free college because anything free, means someone else is paying for it and usually it is us, the people who work and pay taxes. And I mean free college the way Bernie wants it, not state sponsored by the lottery etc. Â
I know we sign contracts talking about how we get days off etc. I have already pretty much said the same things about administration. We need the money to be directed at the teachers and teaching resources. And I am not for free college either which I think I already stated, just state sponsored (sponsor to me doesn't mean entirely paid for but supported by state funds). | |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM
Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. | |
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| Oija-I have been an adjunct. I do realize that good professors are worth their with in gold. Being a good teacher is WORK and didn't mean to attack you, but there are BIG problems with the college system.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM
LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM
Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president.
Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
That's kind of funny....... when he was all for Romney, he was God's gift to journalism.....My how things change ..... LOL | |
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Location: North Texas | oija - 2016-05-03 12:32 PM
NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Well if college ain't a 'racket' then explain this please.....................
A military veteran with a College Transcript of 104 Credit Hours attempts to complete a degree in mechanical/aeronautical engineering, already has twenty plus years of real world hands experience. Speaks with multiple 'military friendly' schools. All the responses are variations of the same answer............We only allow (accept) 40-50 of your college transcript hours. You will have to 80-100 of 'OUR' credit hours to finish out the degree plan. Please explain how this is not a 'racket' to enhance the 'military friendly' school's bank account? | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
I couldn't agree more. We listen to Beck and he has lost his mind. All he talks about is Trump and all the while his Cruz is proving to be just another typical politician and not this great saviour that many thought but he will never admit that.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
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| Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.Â
Sounds like Trump to me LOL
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Location: Kansas | jbhoot - 2016-05-03 7:13 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Sounds like Trump to me LOL
I was just going to say it sounds exactly like Barack Obama.
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Location: Ky | Why to not like Trump? Wouldn't it be a shorter list to ask why anyone would like him?
Of course he's the true face of the GOP, a bigot, a racist, a facist, anti-women, a liar. Everything the GOP's heart desires but most of them just won't come out and say it. This is what the tea baggers have begat.
Now the GOP is going to nominate someone that politically is more democrat than any democrat running. Gotta love that irony.  | |
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