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| I fed omnis for several months and loved it. Horses looked phenomenal and the quality of the cubes was 2nd to none. I haven't been able to feed them since I moved and no longer have a barn to keep horses seperated at feeding time. I own a choker and he's bad about bolting and being a pig, eating with the other horses. I do have a dealer close to me and as soon as I get my barn built I'm definitely going back to feeding them as my sole ration. | |
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| I found a small piece of twine in Standlee and the other brand they sell down here, can't remember the brand. I have not found any twine in my Omnis or Mustang Sally cubes so far in almost a year feeding it. But even in my baled hay I will find a small stray strand of twine in it. I prefer my hay baled with wire, but only one guy uses wire any more here and thankfully he bales like my dad did when he was making square bales- heavy and tightly packed. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer.
To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine. 
I'm feeding alfalfa cubes or pellets and stabilized rice bran in place of grain, not instead of hay/pasture. It's hard to get alfalfa hay here, I can't even get chaffhay anymore, so cubes and pellets it is. | |
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 8:48 AM I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer. To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
I was paying $13.50 for a 50 lb bag of Omnis. I paid the same for Hayrite, preferred the Omnis over Hayrite, MUCH softer, didn't have to water to soften. Cubes are more convenient if traveling, but I don't overnight much anymore. I can get 120 lb baled alfalfa for $23 and they don't waste any with the new hay feeders. | |
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-09 8:52 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
Using cubes instead of grain I can DEFINATELY buy into! 
But not to 100% replace long stem forage (hay and/or pasture). | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
My mare is on 100% cubes.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now | |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | You guys are lucky to have that much variety.....i would like to try the omnis....but i doubt we will ever see them up here....we feed strictly cubes alfalfa grass mix is all we can get.....the quality of hay up here is the ****s so cubes are the best option.....M | |
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Location: Texas | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-09 8:59 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now
Again, would love to find a study on this feeding protocol. 
http://www.equinews.com/article/long-stem-vs-short-stem-forages
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Location: West Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM
oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag.
Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis.
I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact.
Alfalfa and 10% oat hay (while a good forage cube), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Just keep on selling your goods, I'm sure there are enough sheeple to keep you in business.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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Location: West Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 7:02 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-06-09 7:57 AM
Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why??
because he doesn't sell hay
Thank you for again showing your ignorance of me, my situation, and motives. I do indeed use hay and sell hay in addition to cubes. I daily feed about 35 head solely Omnis cubes and about 15 head solely baled hay. My horses are top performance horses and look and feel second to none. My wife trains professionally and is an elite AQHA trainer.
I feed Omnis first and sell secondly. I have never lied about my product or anyone else's. The information I give is as unbiased and truthful as I can possibly be. I believe Omnis is the best feed there is. I believe there are a lot of good feeds and you should feed what you think is best for you. I promote and sell Omnis because I think it is the best. I have no interest in promoting or selling ANYTHING that I don't feel the same way about. Anyone that has ever dealt with me can tell you that (which you have not). I have even helped people find and feed competitors products when Omnis was not available to them.
You are only here to cause trouble. It is sad that you find that so exciting.
To classicpotato, I am glad you found a product that best meets your needs and feeding preferences. I am sorry that you found twine in the cubes. Hayrite does not use field cubers. This is just the truth. My dad used to run field cubers. They don't make them anymore and they were not very good machines. Just the fact that Hayrite uses bentonite as a binder proves they are not using a field cuber. Also, you cannot mix in 10% oat hay with a field cuber either. They are cutting and drying the hay and transporting it to the same stationary cubing machine and facility that all cubing manufacturers are using. Hayrite is a good cube. I used to feed them before we decided to start our own company. I was unhappy with them for various reasons, one of which I had a horse break a tooth off with handfuls of rocks in every cube feeding. I assume they fixed that issue, as we will do the same with any twine in our cubes. Thank you for trying them and I respect and value your feedback.
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 7:20 AM
What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
While I can't speak for these particular companies, I do live in an area with a lot of feedlots so they grind hay. The machines don't really have a way to take the twine or net off very easily. It tends to gum the grinding machines up. Because of this they end up running some twine and/or netting through the grinder and it gets in the feed. I'm assuming the same applies to some cubes when they are using baled hay. They try to get the twine but sometimes it can fall through the cracks. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Thank you tfor the constructive feedback. I guess at the end of the day, we now learned yet again that all horses are different and what works for some will not work for others. ?My horses looked great on Standly cubes and Renew Gold, when I finally found an Omnis dealer I thought they would look even better. They don't, but they don't look bad either. May be they have just reached their genetic potential of awsomeness. Now it just comes down to my personal preference of either dealing with Tractor Suppluywho is always out of everything, or meeting up with the Omins dealer and waiting forever till my horses eat their rations. Toss up. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SKM - 2016-06-09 9:49 AM
Bear - 2016-06-09 7:20 AM
What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
While I can't speak for these particular companies, I do live in an area with a lot of feedlots so they grind hay. The machines don't really have a way to take the twine or net off very easily. It tends to gum the grinding machines up. Because of this they end up running some twine and/or netting through the grinder and it gets in the feed. I'm assuming the same applies to some cubes when they are using baled hay. They try to get the twine but sometimes it can fall through the cracks.
Thanks. That's sorta what I gathered. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch. | |
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I just read the headlines
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| GoMistyGo - 2016-06-09 9:55 AM
Thank you tfor the constructive feedback. I guess at the end of the day, we now learned yet again that all horses are different and what works for some will not work for others. ?My horses looked great on Standly cubes and Renew Gold, when I finally found an Omnis dealer I thought they would look even better. They don't, but they don't look bad either. May be they have just reached their genetic potential of awsomeness. Now it just comes down to my personal preference of either dealing with Tractor Suppluywho is always out of everything, or meeting up with the Omins dealer and waiting forever till my horses eat their rations. Toss up.
I am like you, my horses looked good before using the Omni cubes, there wasn't much room for improvement there. But the Omni cubes are soooo much easier for me to deal with in the mornings before work. I was going to TS for the cubes/pellets, then to another feed store for the flax and the oats, then mixing everything every feeding. I do have to travel to get my cubes, but I just buy for the month and then save gas and time for the rest of the month. Convenience won out. | |
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 7:58 AM
I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch.
Oh yes, I remember popping open a bale with a huge dead snake in the middle of it.. I think I actually peed in my pants and I am a grown man. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-06-09 9:58 AM I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch.
I went to mark (with spray paint) a cotton module one day, and what I thought was a tarp strap hanging out came to life and struck at me. Pretty sure I peed my pants. Can't believe that sucker survived the cotton picker spindles, but it did. Fun times...  | |
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