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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-12 8:40 PM
SloRide - 2016-10-12 8:04 PM kwanatha - 2016-10-12 6:46 PM my take home income is the same as it was 10 yrs ago. got cuts then got a measly raise to go back to original salary but now i pay more for insurance. Thanks Obama. I also have huge deductables that I did not have before.
 before Obama I paid about $8 bale of hay now it is almost double
I REMEMBER A POST ON HERE BEFORE OBAMA GOT ELECTEDÂ
everyone was saying what they fed and tone was very matter of fact... everyone posted how they used the best feed, best supplements and best tack; just would not sacrifice quality! I remember chuckling that would end soon and then i saw posts about cutting costs and saving money later, getting more jobs and having gardens.
there were tons of posts of board buddies going to sales and buying prospects or just buying prospects, then we had posts about people cutting their numbers, selling off, and not breeding as much. Also not as many posts about new saddles...
I know people that are not going to races anymore some are just selling out. i see starving animals that i never saw before. i mean really who can not afford to feed a dog. So manmy people are on foodstamps these days. There are so many homeless people I really do not know how some live in a bubble and think nothing is different.
GEEZE LOOK AROUND THE CARS ARE GETTING REALLY OLD! i used to see so many new cars i have the same truck and car as I did before obama they are both 12 yrs old. i always had them replaced at 6-8 yr intervals
 I see this too, but I do not think it is the current Presidents fault. This stuff was going on before he ever got elected. We have major economic issues and they have not gotten any better under Obama. Wages have stalled since the 70's. Trickle down economics is not working and we are heading for a future where there will simply be fewer jobs to go around. Even if we do bring back more manufacturing, there will still not be enough to go around because so much of manufacturing is automated now. I think in the future, having a job will be a privilege. Â
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2016-10-12 9:49 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-12 8:40 PM SloRide - 2016-10-12 8:04 PM kwanatha - 2016-10-12 6:46 PM my take home income is the same as it was 10 yrs ago. got cuts then got a measly raise to go back to original salary but now i pay more for insurance. Thanks Obama. I also have huge deductables that I did not have before.
before Obama I paid about $8 bale of hay now it is almost double
I REMEMBER A POST ON HERE BEFORE OBAMA GOT ELECTED
everyone was saying what they fed and tone was very matter of fact... everyone posted how they used the best feed, best supplements and best tack; just would not sacrifice quality! I remember chuckling that would end soon and then i saw posts about cutting costs and saving money later, getting more jobs and having gardens.
there were tons of posts of board buddies going to sales and buying prospects or just buying prospects, then we had posts about people cutting their numbers, selling off, and not breeding as much. Also not as many posts about new saddles...
I know people that are not going to races anymore some are just selling out. i see starving animals that i never saw before. i mean really who can not afford to feed a dog. So manmy people are on foodstamps these days. There are so many homeless people I really do not know how some live in a bubble and think nothing is different.
GEEZE LOOK AROUND THE CARS ARE GETTING REALLY OLD! i used to see so many new cars i have the same truck and car as I did before obama they are both 12 yrs old. i always had them replaced at 6-8 yr intervals
I see this too, but I do not think it is the current Presidents fault. This stuff was going on before he ever got elected. We have major economic issues and they have not gotten any better under Obama. Wages have stalled since the 70's. Trickle down economics is not working and we are heading for a future where there will simply be fewer jobs to go around. Even if we do bring back more manufacturing, there will still not be enough to go around because so much of manufacturing is automated now. I think in the future, having a job will be a privilege. Bill Gates
I don't know exacly what he said, but if your paraphrase was accurate you're both as wrong as any two people can be
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I would like to hear a few people explain how "trickle down economics" does not work. In fact, I'd like to hear them explain what trickle down economics actually is.
Everyone on the left keeps parroting how "trickle down" didn't work.
Maybe my idea of trickle down is too simplistic, so someone please teach me. | |
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Location: Montana | Turner1 - 2016-10-12 2:25 PM SloRide - 2016-10-12 8:48 AM outrundaizy - 2016-10-12 9:40 AM Just throwing it out there, but do people really think Trump is a GOOD option? Or just the better option?
Im truly worried about what will happen if either of them.. To me it seems like this might all be a set up I have always thought this was a set up from the start. Trump and the Clinton have been mingling for some time. He has donated to their shady foundation as well.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Bear - 2016-10-12 8:03 PM
I would like to hear a few people explain how "trickle down economics" does not work. In fact, I'd like to hear them explain what trickle down economics actually is.
Everyone on the left keeps parroting how "trickle down" didn't work.
Maybe my idea of trickle down is too simplistic, so someone please teach me.
I'm not going to explain how it doesn't work because it does.
Here's the way it works in the horse industry. Just one segment. Person gets good job. Always wanted a racehorse. Person has enough expendable income to buy a racehorse. ETA: Breeder or pinhook (person who buys weanlings or yearlings to resell) gets money for their horse and invests it back into their operation. Stud fees get paid, mares are purchased, re-bred and fed, vets are used. Handlers, stall cleaners, farm help are all hired and paid, etc....
Person pays trainer to train racehorse. Trainer pays people to care for the horse, grooms, riders to gallop and work the horse, pony people escort the horse to and from the gate or the track for work. At least 3 people have their hands on the horse on any given day. Maybe more.
There are always at least 2 if not more retail tack stores that supply the horsemen with all the OTC meds and goods they need specific to the racetrack. Bridles, wraps, buckets, etc... ETA: Feed suppliers. Racetrack Vets supply services and prescription drugs.
Trainer enters the horse in races. The racing facility pays their office staff to co-ordinate race conditions, take entries and the bookkeepers to keep the horsemen's accounts correctly. Gate staff and clocker take care of the morning workout records. those records are compiled and transferred to the Daily Racing Form to publish. There are many office staff to support the main staff.
Race day staff check the lip for the tattoo all racehorses have (which was applied at the track by someone), make sure the right horse is being run. The horse is saddled usually requiring 3 people for each horse. Pony people lead the horse on a groomed track (tractor drivers- at least 2) to the gate where the starter and the gate crew (10 people on hand at least) load them. The track vet oversees the process to make sure all horses and people appear healthy. The ambulance and crew stand by in case someone is hurt during the on-track process.
Jockeys get paid to ride horse. Betters bet on the horse. There are several windows open to take bets. Some are automated, many are staffed by people. The IT staff make sure everything behind the scenes is working correctly along with janitors and maintenance people who fix anything that isn't working.
ETA: Congratulations your horse won. So you get to have your picture taken by the track photographer who then sells you as many copies of you and your horse as you need to brag with. lol The money you won in the race is added to your horseman's account by the bookkeeper. You could decide this is fun and buy a second racehorse with it or just let it ride. You have to pay taxes on that money to the state and federal gov. Oops more money to your tax accountant too.
When the race is over, the winner and one other horse is usually taken to the test barn where other staff wait for the horse to be bathed and cooled out to collect urine and sometimes blood for testing, it's sent to the test lab. Where other people test it for known drugs.
Track staff take the race results and send that to the DRF for publishing and to the breed associations for their use. Still other people send the state who is overseeing the correct reporting of winnings. The state gets a cut of the "handle" (the dollars the bettors bet on the races).
I may have left something out, but you can see how many jobs can be created by a good economy or eliminated by a depressed economy, where people are just trying to get by. The amount of money that is trickled down is enormous. The money isn't spend once and gone. It's spent several times before it's out of the system. It's as hard to understand how people can think it doesn't work. It's especially easy to see how it works in an industry like horses that is a luxury.
My own experience is that material goods have at least doubled in price in the last 8 years. From $5/bag of grain to $10+ now. At one point grain was $12/50#. I've paid $300/ton for alfalfa. It used to be half that.
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Location: Windoming | yep, I have a 15 year old pickup and 14 year old trailer. I think if Trump wins, I will buy a new pickup to celebrate and stimulate the economy. I'll be able to afford the payment, because I'll have an extra $1000 a month when I lose my health insurance next year. | |
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| If we had saved the amount we pay in insurance, we would not have had to make payments on my husband's recent medical procedure. Since our deductible is high, we are out the money for insurance AND the money for the procedure. We are rarely sick, and don't go into the doctor except for yearly physicals, if that even. If we put our money in a savings account instead of health insurance, we might be a little ahead. Of course, we have to make sure we put the money in the savings and not spend it - that is were so many of us screw up. | |
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Location: Windoming | GLP - 2016-10-13 11:20 AM If we had saved the amount we pay in insurance, we would not have had to make payments on my husband's recent medical procedure. Since our deductible is high, we are out the money for insurance AND the money for the procedure. We are rarely sick, and don't go into the doctor except for yearly physicals, if that even. If we put our money in a savings account instead of health insurance, we might be a little ahead. Of course, we have to make sure we put the money in the savings and not spend it - that is were so many of us screw up.
That's pretty much what I plan to do, in the event we lose our current insurance. My company is considering dropping it next year. | |
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| I fully support Trump, people have to realized, if he becomes President he will have very intelligent people with him to help advise, like Pence. We all know about the women issues, (hmmmm they're just bringing this up?) does this change my vote? NO. I want this country to be great again, not only for me, but my grand children, scare me that if Hillary wins, what kind of world will they grow up in. Wake up people this is scary. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I can't believe people actually feel nothing has changed much in the last 8 years. It's been the opposite. Obama has followed the Saul Alinky's rules for radicals to destroy the America we know. I think he has accomplised everything on the list except for taking our guns and that is the only reason we are still standing. If Hillary gets in the first thing she is going to do is to attack the 2nd Amendment and do whatever she can to outlaw guns. Whether it be through a ridiculous cost of ammo through taxation or making the gun makers libel for someone shooting someone with their gun...her goal is to put the gun makers out of business. It's a very low and sad point in America today.
If you are not familiar with the rules of radicalism...you need to read them and then come back and tell me how it's not happening.
Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for RadicalsHere is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | GLP - 2016-10-13 1:20 PM If we had saved the amount we pay in insurance, we would not have had to make payments on my husband's recent medical procedure. Since our deductible is high, we are out the money for insurance AND the money for the procedure. We are rarely sick, and don't go into the doctor except for yearly physicals, if that even. If we put our money in a savings account instead of health insurance, we might be a little ahead. Of course, we have to make sure we put the money in the savings and not spend it - that is were so many of us screw up.
Back before we were forced to buy health insurance, one of my family members did this. He had a boat load of money from it. Then, when they reached 58 he bought health insurance. Of course at that point you could choose not to buy a pregnancy clause for woman nor birthcontrol.
That way they didn't waste their money because they didn't go but once a year, but were wise to have "as they got older".
Much like a HSA would work now if we could have them. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-10-13 2:09 PM GLP - 2016-10-13 1:20 PM If we had saved the amount we pay in insurance, we would not have had to make payments on my husband's recent medical procedure. Since our deductible is high, we are out the money for insurance AND the money for the procedure. We are rarely sick, and don't go into the doctor except for yearly physicals, if that even. If we put our money in a savings account instead of health insurance, we might be a little ahead. Of course, we have to make sure we put the money in the savings and not spend it - that is were so many of us screw up. Back before we were forced to buy health insurance, one of my family members did this. He had a boat load of money from it. Then, when they reached 58 he bought health insurance. Of course at that point you could choose not to buy a pregnancy clause for woman nor birthcontrol.
That way they didn't waste their money because they didn't go but once a year, but were wise to have "as they got older".
Much like a HSA would work now if we could have them.
We no longer have health insurance. It has become catastrophic insurance for health reasons. It's ridiculous. Anyone that thinks the majority of people on food stamps and welfare wants a job, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can sell you. | |
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2016-10-13 3:19 PM 3canstorun - 2016-10-13 2:09 PM GLP - 2016-10-13 1:20 PM If we had saved the amount we pay in insurance, we would not have had to make payments on my husband's recent medical procedure. Since our deductible is high, we are out the money for insurance AND the money for the procedure. We are rarely sick, and don't go into the doctor except for yearly physicals, if that even. If we put our money in a savings account instead of health insurance, we might be a little ahead. Of course, we have to make sure we put the money in the savings and not spend it - that is were so many of us screw up. Back before we were forced to buy health insurance, one of my family members did this. He had a boat load of money from it. Then, when they reached 58 he bought health insurance. Of course at that point you could choose not to buy a pregnancy clause for woman nor birthcontrol.
That way they didn't waste their money because they didn't go but once a year, but were wise to have "as they got older".
Much like a HSA would work now if we could have them.
They don't.....and what ticks me off, is that the people who actually do need the help (single working parents without any help from the other parent) aren't able to get the assistance because of the others who decide they want to stay at home and pop out 10 kids and live off the state.
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Location: TEXAS | Â I think I'll quit my job...why should I work to pay for others. So sick of the handouts ! | |
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| My deal is this election is a joke. Regardless if there were a decent candidate at this point other countries are making fun of us. We were the head of the world and now were turning into the Jerry Springer show. I don't like either candidate and can't support either one. I support one more than the other though. | |
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Location: Ky | Well, if the OP is right, good riddance to the D system of barrel racing. All it does is reward mediocrity. But wait!! Isn't that something the OP rails against?? The rewarding of meiocrity?
I sense some hippocrisy. Oh my, a rhyme!! I could be a rapper? The sky is fallin, gimme some mediocrity to go with my hippocrisy, then come callin! We be ballin, don't miss yo callin!! Uh!!
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Location: The Great Northwest | shubug007 - 2016-10-13 5:14 PM
My deal is this election is a joke. Regardless if there were a decent candidate at this point other countries are making fun of us. We were the head of the world and now were turning into the Jerry Springer show. I don't like either candidate and can't support either one. I support one more than the other though.
American hasn't been looked up to for decades. American with the current government is on a decline to comparable to middle east countries. American owes most countries. | |
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Location: TEXAS | jd&ez - 2016-10-13 8:21 PM Well, if the OP is right, good riddance to the D system of barrel racing. All it does is reward mediocrity. But wait!! Isn't that something the OP rails against?? The rewarding of meiocrity?
I sense some hippocrisy. Oh my, a rhyme!! I could be a rapper? The sky is fallin, gimme some mediocrity to go with my hippocrisy, then come callin! We be ballin, don't miss yo callin!! Uh!!
Ummmm please show me where I said anything about mediocrity?? What does that have to do with the decline of our country? I truly pity you, I am preparing while you will be caught with your head in the sand as our country and world unravel around you! | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-11 1:15 PM
 Are any of y'all familiar with some of the regulatory laws that have been passed in liberal California this year, specifically the ones that affect agriculture?  There is a real chance that production Ag will cease to exist there in the future in any meaningful form, with the way things are going.  They are sending a clear message that Ag isn't welcome in their backyard.  As goes California, so goes the country if we don't switch directions. The EPA has already been up our butts with WOTUS and other ridiculous things, and too many of our lawmakers aren't looking out for domestic producers in regard to trade deals.  Rural life as we know it can't exist without Ag. That includes the horse industry. Â
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