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GLP Reg. Oct 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 10:32 AM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
I just read the headlines Posts: 4483	winwillows - 2016-10-28 10:26 AM I think everyone has choices of safe feed in their market area if they do a little homework. Ask the maker of your feed if there are any medicated ingredients on the mill property. That is about the best that you can do. As to the question of contaminated ingredients, that is a good reason not to feed mixes that include grain byproduct ingredients used in cattle feed. Unfortunately asking your local mill about medicated feeds isn't good enough. I called ours to ask about medicated feed and they bald faced lied to me. All I had to do was get on their website to look at their cattle feed ingredients. They made several medicated cattle feeds and some did list ionosphores in their label. The thing that ticks me off the most is that I knew they made medicated feed because we feed a feed to our show heifers that was medicated.
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kakbarrelracer Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2016-10-28 11:07 AM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Strong Willed Woman Posts: 6577 Location: Prosser, WA	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it.
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GLP Reg. Oct 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 11:14 AM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
I just read the headlines Posts: 4483	kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn.
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SKM Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2016-10-28 11:31 AM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Saint Stacey	GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified.
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LindsayJordan Reg. Jun 2010	Posted 2016-10-28 12:00 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Elite Veteran Posts: 1118 Location: The South	winwillows - 2016-10-28 10:26 AM I think everyone has choices of safe feed in their market area if they do a little homework. Ask the maker of your feed if there are any medicated ingredients on the mill property. That is about the best that you can do. As to the question of contaminated ingredients, that is a good reason not to feed mixes that include grain byproduct ingredients used in cattle feed. Please forgive my ignorance, but what would we look for on the tag? I thought I was safe with feeding Purina but apparently I need to do some more research. This is so stressful!
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OhMax Reg. Feb 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 12:20 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Married to a Louie Lover Posts: 3303	LindsayJordan84 - 2016-10-28 12:00 PM winwillows - 2016-10-28 10:26 AM I think everyone has choices of safe feed in their market area if they do a little homework. Ask the maker of your feed if there are any medicated ingredients on the mill property. That is about the best that you can do. As to the question of contaminated ingredients, that is a good reason not to feed mixes that include grain byproduct ingredients used in cattle feed. Please forgive my ignorance, but what would we look for on the tag? I thought I was safe with feeding Purina but apparently I need to do some more research. This is so stressful! Primarily soybean hulls/hull pellets, dried distillers grains (ddgs), gluten/gluten meal/gluten pellets. Soybean meal or canola meal will be used in diary rations. Buying our own bulk bin and buying oats direct from a farmer was the best move we've made I think. Oats and free choice mineral and free choice hay fed in a chix net - all of ours look and feel great. I'm considering renew gold for 2 who may be a touch harder to keep (realistically they're probably normal keepers and our other 2 are fat air ferns).
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Gunner11 Reg. Mar 2011	Posted 2016-10-28 12:36 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Cute Little Imp Posts: 2747 Location: N Texas	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 5:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. Well you still feed ADM, so there's that...
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LindsayJordan Reg. Jun 2010	Posted 2016-10-28 12:39 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Elite Veteran Posts: 1118 Location: The South	OhMax - 2016-10-28 12:20 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2016-10-28 12:00 PM winwillows - 2016-10-28 10:26 AM I think everyone has choices of safe feed in their market area if they do a little homework. Ask the maker of your feed if there are any medicated ingredients on the mill property. That is about the best that you can do. As to the question of contaminated ingredients, that is a good reason not to feed mixes that include grain byproduct ingredients used in cattle feed. Please forgive my ignorance, but what would we look for on the tag? I thought I was safe with feeding Purina but apparently I need to do some more research. This is so stressful! Primarily soybean hulls/hull pellets, dried distillers grains (ddgs), gluten/gluten meal/gluten pellets. Soybean meal or canola meal will be used in diary rations. Buying our own bulk bin and buying oats direct from a farmer was the best move we've made I think. Oats and free choice mineral and free choice hay fed in a chix net - all of ours look and feel great. I'm considering renew gold for 2 who may be a touch harder to keep (realistically they're probably normal keepers and our other 2 are fat air ferns). Thank you! I've switched to local whole oats and I'm thinking about stopping the Purina, it's just not worth the risk to me. Ours only get a small amount of it anyway except for my old gelding. I might look into Renew Gold for him, thanks for the suggestion. Our mares are 'fat air ferns' as well haha!
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winwillows Reg. Jul 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 1:07 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Expert Posts: 1694 Location: Willows, CA	My post was not to move this to a RG thread. There are regional mills that do a great job. I might not agree with all their formulations, but I don't question the cleanliness. Buckeye in the North East, Bluebonnet in OK. Associated Feed and Bar Ale in California. Others are clean, I am sure. It's sad that we can't trust some of these mills to tell us the truth. Edited by winwillows 2016-10-28 1:10 PM
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BARRELHORSE USA Reg. Sep 2011	Posted 2016-10-28 2:24 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
	SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program ..
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GLP Reg. Oct 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 2:57 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
I just read the headlines Posts: 4483	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-28 2:24 PM SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program .. Well, I'm not young and me and mine have been in a the ranching and farming business since they came over on the ships back on the early 1800's. I wasn't attacking you just giving an explanation for why some of disagree with feeding corn. We all are just trying to do the best we can for our horses. It would a really sad and boring world if we all did and said the same thing.
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kakbarrelracer Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2016-10-28 3:09 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Strong Willed Woman Posts: 6577 Location: Prosser, WA	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-28 12:24 PM SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program .. Nice try. LOL. We fed Moorman's for many years to our cattle. I just don't want to support a company that openly lies to it's customers.
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JAG18 Reg. Jul 2008	Posted 2016-10-28 3:27 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Elite Veteran Posts: 612	We need to ask our Purina Rep's, but Purina has always said that they mix their Omolene and other horse specific feeds in a separate location specifically so that they do not have any contamination issues.
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brlracerchick Reg. Jun 2010	Posted 2016-10-28 3:32 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Thick and Wavy Posts: 6102 Location: Nebraska	JAG18 - 2016-10-28 3:27 PM We need to ask our Purina Rep's, but Purina has always said that they mix their Omolene and other horse specific feeds in a separate location specifically so that they do not have any contamination issues. st. joe is 100% ionophore free. I called a couple months ago.
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RockinGR Reg. Feb 2009	Posted 2016-10-28 3:42 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Hummer's Hero Posts: 3071 Location: Smack Dab in the Middle	brlracerchick - 2016-10-28 3:32 PM JAG18 - 2016-10-28 3:27 PM We need to ask our Purina Rep's, but Purina has always said that they mix their Omolene and other horse specific feeds in a separate location specifically so that they do not have any contamination issues. st. joe is 100% ionophore free. I called a couple months ago. All of their horse specific products are produced at horse only facilities. All are 100% ionophor free.
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RockinGR Reg. Feb 2009	Posted 2016-10-28 3:55 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Hummer's Hero Posts: 3071 Location: Smack Dab in the Middle	Chandler's Mom - 2016-10-27 9:58 PM RockinGR - 2016-10-27 12:53 PM 3canstorun - 2016-10-27 12:47 PM RockinGR - 2016-10-27 1:14 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-27 11:57 AM RockinGR - 2016-10-27 11:46 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-27 11:29 AM RockinGR - 2016-10-27 11:21 AM I'm prefacing my post, stating that I am not a Nutrena fan because of their history of problems. But I do feel that a few things need cleared up for those that are making assumptions about feed in general. Disclaimer: this is not a defense for any of the issues at hand, merely some education for those that do not know... In general, feeds that are labeled as "all stock" or "safe for all classes of livestock" including horses, merely means that they are formulated to be such. They are more than likely produced in facilities that also produce and bag medicated feeds. There are guidelines in place and regulations for flushing and cleaning the lines out. But that's all they are. There are limited testing regulations in place (mostly just generalized batch testing). Most facilities do not have the resources (equipment and staff) to test inbound ingredients from each and every truck, beyond the initial probe that is taken on the scale. There are no regulations for trucks that say they HAVE to wash out their trucks between loads--bulk haulers should do a "flush" with another feed after a medicated load, before hauling a horse feed, but it's not regulated or tested. There are no guarantees of zero presence of potential toxins. It's not possible. Even on different lines within the same facilities it's just not 100% possible. It takes less than 1 gram of monensin to kill a 1200# horse. The only way to safeguard yourself and your horses is to feed a product from a 100% horse safe facility that does not share staff with a non-horse facility. Period. Also, to those that claim you feed oats or your own mix or blah blah blah to keep this from happening...where are your oats or ingredients sourced from? Where were they bagged. I've worked for "all species" companies and we bagged single ingredients...on the same lines (after regulated flushes) that the medicated feeds were bagged on. There are safe products out there, don't mis-read me. But do you know where yours came from? The feed companies should not be labeling these feeds for horses if there's a chance for contamination. It is not against regulation to do so. It can be your opinion that they shouldn't, but they are well within regulation. If it was your way, no local feed mill would ever be able to make up a paying customers custom horse feed for them. Safety trumps convenience. You can regulate what comes in your barn by being educated about what are safe facilities. You cannot demand that the industry as a whole conform to your standards. You can petition your politicians to propose regulation standards requirements...but now we're getting government more involved and limiting choices. Is that really the direction you want to go rather than just regulating your own choices and patronizing companies that already fall into those lines? The direction any of them should go - the feed companies - is don't use monensin in the same plant. On the warning label for monensin it says it is unsafe for horses. It will kill them. So when we get an answer back from feed companies that there is no FDA requirements or levels on this product, it is being irresponsible. The feed companies are to blame because they are using the FDA as a scape goat. And, killing horses. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anyone here. I'm simply stating what the regulations are and how things can get contaminated. I'm not defending the companies, just telling why things are the way that they are. Personally, even with education and ability to formulate my own feeds... I buy all of my horse feed from a reputable company, that does have above industry standards and testing in place, and manufactured in a horse only facility. For all the reasons being stated here... What do you feed? You may have said and I missed it. . . . I was asked this in a private message, so I'm copying most of my answer to here... I am mostly a Purina program, and I also feed a little Renew Gold and Standlee Alfalfa pellets. I used to sell Purina, and had the opportunity a couple of times to go tour their facilities and even got to observe some feed and palatability trials at the research facility. My husband and I are both AnSci and nutritionists--we both have worked for small private mills as nutritionists and formulators, and the protocols Purina uses are second to none, and miles above USDA regulations. My vet has a Masters in Equine Nutrition (in addition to her DVM and a couple other degrees) and uses Purina programs as well, for the same reasons I do. They are a 100% horse only facility, and they do a battalion of tests throughout the entire process. Ingredients are all tested on the trucks before they are allowed to unload. And tested repeatedly throughout the manufacturing process for a multitude of things. Testing is done by PhD's and their staff with food grade equipment (not the standard milling equipment). I often hear mis-informed people bash them about having a "secret" formulation and that it is not a locked formula. This is true, but it doesn't make it bad. Their formulas are all copyright protected and to put them out to the public would be a terrible business decision. Companies, such as Nutrena, are already constantly trying to copy their products, why would they give them the recipe? And, no, they are not a locked formula because it's a fact that ingredients vary in their analysis. They are allowed "wiggle room" in their formulations to make sure that they meet the tag (which is law, enforced by the USDA through random inspection/bag probes). The actual formulations vary VERY little, but allows them to adjust the formula--say adding additional protein to raise a lowered protein of drought stressed oats, for example. Or to add additional mineral for other deficient ingredients. No company will ever be free of claims of tainted feed, Purina included. Purina does have the lowest percentage of incidents in the industry due to their standards. But the reason that feed companies do not step up and say it was their feed, here's the money for your horse...is because it would open them up to unlimited liability that is potentially misplaced. Often times tainted feed actually happens due to poor handling by either transport companies or the actual retailer. There are regulations that state there are supposed to be physical barriers or 25ft distance between all horse feed products and any and all medicated feeds. There is also supposed to be a physical barrier or 25ft distance between dog/cat food and cattle/pig feed. All to prevent cross contamination. Very few facilities can physically do that-and as a result, often times single ingredients--bagged oats, corn, etc.--are used that physical barrier, opening those products up to contamination. Most get a weekly route truck from their prospective suppliers that includes all classes of feeds. Or, many retailers get caught up in trying to buy more product than they can rotate because of "truck load discounts" or similar. Then they don't rotate properly, it gets left in a hot, humid warehouse ("but it stayed dry") and the feeds can get rancid or moldy before it gets to the end customer. That's why they insist on doing testing before they just jump up and "pay for someone's horse" like everyone is all up in arms about. I do believe that it's a real possibility that Nutrena is facing a contamination issue in this instance, but I'll wait until the testing is done. They have had problems in the past and they do not self impose the same regulations that Purina does. They also do not employ the same number of veterinarians and PhD researchers that Purina does. They do not conduct the same level of research--but are notorious for trying to piggy back onto Purina research and sell it off as their own. They and a few other companies have been in hot water for doing so. There are a number of other companies aside from Purina that self impose higher standards. My suggestion to those asking is to do your research and find out who those companies are, and patronize them. Money talks...
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2016-10-28 4:16 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-28 2:24 PM SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program .. I love The Walking Dead, LOL... (download (2).jpg) Attachments ---------------- download (2).jpg (41KB - 184 downloads)
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winwillows Reg. Jul 2013	Posted 2016-10-28 4:17 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Expert Posts: 1694 Location: Willows, CA	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-28 2:24 PM SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program .. Actually, ADM purchased Moormans almost 20 years ago. They really did not care about the feed division, they wanted a Moorman's asset, Quincy Soy Bean. They lumped the Moorman's business in with others that they already owned. That is where "Patriot" came in. In the 1990's I rewrote the formulation for Gro Strong minerals, still the same. I have not been to the Quincy IL mill for a while, but the last time I was, they did make mineral and feed in the same facility. I do not know if they make any medicated feed in the Quincy mill.
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Three 4 Luck Reg. Sep 2003	Posted 2016-10-28 8:26 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Accident Prone Posts: 22277 Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR	winwillows - 2016-10-28 4:17 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-28 2:24 PM SKM - 2016-10-28 11:31 AM GLP - 2016-10-28 10:14 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-10-28 11:07 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-27 3:36 PM READ the simple information on the sack ... and this does not show what ingredients are actually in the feed .. After all the feed posts on BHW I can't believe anyone with a horse would buy this stuff ... Then I get trashed for adding some chopped corn to my whole oats and alfalfa feeding program ... It is a sad situation is all I can say .. I think you mainly get "trashed" as you said because you still recommend ADM feeds after their feed was contaminated and they lied about it. You may get trashed for feeding corn because in high humidity myotoxins(?) have been found growing on corn. I don't remember in the articles I read if they said anything about how the corn was stored. This is a health hazard for horses. That is why many down in here in South Texas don't like feeding corn. He also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to a horse once. That's the only time I saw him get hung out to dry. I'd say that one was justified. AHHHHH THE WALKING DEAD ARE SHOWING UP .. Most of you are so young you have no history of actually doctoring your horses without phoning for help since dog and cat vets are a dime a dozen theses days. The rest of you just love to argue with no solution other than calling names or dissing a simple remedy that has been proven to work way before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye ... lol Sometimes I feel like Trump is my middle name on having to clarify exactly what was said rather than let those with lack of memory attempt to repeat something out of context ... while you get ripped off by companies marketing worthless crap and taking your hard earned money to the bank. Most of you have no idea who Moorman Feeds were and no inclination to find out that ADM purchased them several years ago and their mineral production is not associated with any of their pelletized feed mills ... Moorman feeds was one of the most respected mills in the country and if you had show animals and wanted to win .. Moorman feed was your way to a blue ribbon .. Politicians love the short memory span of American voters ... day by day or week by week they lead the American public on a trail that leads to disaster due to Americans short memory span .. Let's do a refresher course and a couple of links for those that can still read without clicking on an app ... ADM GROSTRONG MINERALS ... LOOSE FORM ... NOT PELLETED has a special procedure to chelate their minerals and the correct amount of certain catalytic vitamins to allow the horse to absorb the minerals into their digestive system and into their entire body. THIS IS WHAT I MIX IN MY WHOLE OATS, ALFALFA AND HIGH QUALITY HAY FEEDING PROGRAM .... BY THE HANDFUL EVERY OTHER DAY .. and also PROVIDE FREE CHOICE ... The 30% salt content keeps a horse from over ingesting while providing electrolytes to his well being .. ARE YOU READY ?? http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... I'LL DOUBLE LINK FOR THOSE WITH ARTHERITIS OF THE MIND .. http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20Vitamins%20and%20Minerals%20Ind... ... lol FYI: Long before most of you became horse food junkies the only source you could find bagged alfalfa pellets was RABBIT PELLETS ... many of the world rodeo champions carried bags of rabbit pellets as their sole source of hay from rodeo to rodeo to keep their horses heathy and not cross contaminating them with lots of lousy hay they might accidently buy from rodeo to rodeo .. AUREOMYCIN Like any other anti biotic works well on certain bacterial infections .. and due to higher profits from other forms has been taken off the list by most vets ... because it works!! Again, long ago the only way you could buy it was in medicated chicken feed ... which we all did if we had horses or mules with wheezing or dry coughing that would not go away. Today you can buy it in bags by its self .. vets are leaning on FDA to restrict to their prescription list so they can make more money ... HAVE FUN .. READING THIS ITEM FOR CHICKENS, SHEEP, GOATS AND COWS LOL http://livestockconcepts.com/en/cattle/7228-mannapro-aureomycin-cru... Let's see pictures of your horses and I will show you pictures of mine in comparison to my simple feeding program .. Actually, ADM purchased Moormans almost 20 years ago. They really did not care about the feed division, they wanted a Moorman's asset, Quincy Soy Bean. They lumped the Moorman's business in with others that they already owned. That is where "Patriot" came in. In the 1990's I rewrote the formulation for Gro Strong minerals, still the same. I have not been to the Quincy IL mill for a while, but the last time I was, they did make mineral and feed in the same facility. I do not know if they make any medicated feed in the Quincy mill. I was told that Quincy makes the entire Glo line and that it's a clean mill. The Patriot line is the one that has been contaminated and is still at risk of contamination. Regardless, I will no longer feed their products because of the sorryass way they refused to handle the contamination issue last year. ADM is so big, they probably wouldn't really care if the whole horse division shut down, much less that a few of us have boycotted, but all I can do is "vote" with my pocketbook.
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streaknpete Reg. Oct 2003	Posted 2016-10-28 8:40 PM Subject: RE: A Horse Dies From Feed Toxicity At NBHA Worlds
Official Butt Slapper Posts: 11055 Location: guthrie	I have not read the entire thread but apparently it may not have been the feed. In watching video m(as horrific as it was) it looks more like WNV.Be curious as to what autopsy shows.
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