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| Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding. |
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Location: mi | Me personally I would do the joint injection as necessary. Vet is right could be every couple months or once a year. possibly do an injectable joint supplement. Get the BOT quick wraps. and a bottle of Lameaway to spray on the joint on race or lesson day just for some extra feel good.
Its not the end of the world. Not knowing what you paid if he is a good and safe and fun horse to teach you how to run on then this little bit of maintenance is money well spent. |
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| I paid $5k for him. He is safe, LOVES to barrel race, loves pole bending, loves his job. Vet doesn't think he would be able to barrel race more than once a week, which is disappointing as I wanted to do a lot with him, and go a lot of places with him, but I guess we will see..
Vet had me lunge him yesterday, and he felt good, was bucking, having a good time!
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:17 AM Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding.
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| The barn he is at now, they are out pretty much from 8am-4pm. They would probably do 24/7 turnout, but there is no run in shelter, and I would lose a stall. |
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 10:32 AM The barn he is at now, they are out pretty much from 8am-4pm. They would probably do 24/7 turnout, but there is no run in shelter, and I would lose a stall.
I don't know if you are in a northern climate, but my mare stays out 24/7 with no shelter (other than a few trees), and they are all just fine. May be better for his arthritis than standing all night in the stall. |
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:31 AM I paid $5k for him. He is safe, LOVES to barrel race, loves pole bending, loves his job. Vet doesn't think he would be able to barrel race more than once a week, which is disappointing as I wanted to do a lot with him, and go a lot of places with him, but I guess we will see.. Vet had me lunge him yesterday, and he felt good, was bucking, having a good time! 5K sounds reasonable even with the maintenance required, most all of us do some type of maintenance and preventative. You never know how he will do, he may be able to go more than once a week once you find the right treatment for him. Exercise is great for keeping arthritis under control, if you can arrange for him to be out 24/7 that would benefit him
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:17 AM Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding.
When a horse has arthritis and is use to be turned out the way he was with the other people and then being sold and kept stalled up with limity time turn out I can see where the arthritis would start bothering him, I can bet my bottom dollar that they didnt know about the arthritis and didnt have him buted when you tryed him out. A friend of mine sold his old rope horse to some people that stalled him too and when they would go ride him he was sore and stiff in his back end off on one of his back legs, it was due to him being stalled up, he was not use to being kept in a stall and was on pasture all his life untill these people bought him once they started to keep in a pasture again he got better and no more problems.. If I were you I would board him in a place that he can stay turned out and have a run in shelter. |
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Location: mi | That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. |
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| ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM
That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy.
Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days? |
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Location: North Dakota | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days?
The injections should last, depending on the severity of it, 60-90 days, maybe longer like your vet said, however I think a year is being extremely optimistic, especially since the arthritis is moderate to severe. I'm not sure of the Adequan injections and how long they last. I honestly could never tell a difference and in my experiences I've not seen them stretch any injection to the point that it would substantiate the additional cost either.
Glad you finally found out what is causing the intermittent lameness. My only suggestion is to stay on top of the pain and see how it goes with regards to competition.
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM
ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM
That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy.
Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days?
I'm thinking she means the pastern injection. No, it will last longer than that - what she's saying is that you won't see continued improvement after 10 days. After day 10 should be a plateau if that makes sense. |
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Location: mi | k.maddocks24 - 2017-10-04 11:19 AM emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days? I'm thinking she means the pastern injection. No, it will last longer than that - what she's saying is that you won't see continued improvement after 10 days. After day 10 should be a plateau if that makes sense.
What she said ^^^^^^. Joint Injections themselves. Take between 3-10 days to see the top results you are going to see from the injection itself. At that point it is as good as it is going to get. That level of soundness will then last from 6 weeks to 6 months. Some say a year but I have yet to see that! Sorry for the confusion. I just didn't want you to walk out the day after and expect your horse to walk off sound. |
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| I didn't read back through the whole thing, but if you've had his feet done by your farrier since you got him, most farriers have their own way of doing feet and will drastically change the angles on a new horse! Changing the angles quickly can irritate the arthritis and cause soreness. Also, changing turnout, especially into heavy terrain, can cause flare ups. Glad you figured out the problem. Don't rule out OsPhos or Tildren, both are very good drugs for this kind of thing! |
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| The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout.
Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 12:33 PM The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout. Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
I have had pasterns injected and yes they are sore, I buted for pain. I have never heard to keep stalled though. |
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 1:33 PM The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout. Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
What privileges come with stall board that you would not qualify for with pasture board? Normally, every boarding barn I've seen, you get the exact same use of the facilities, your horse just doesn't come into a stall. |
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Location: Canada | I don't think the people buted him for you to try him. Especially since you're using the same trainer, and live in the same community. I think his problem has been intensified since he's been stalled. I agree with others he needs to be out 24/7 so he doesn't get so stiff and sore.
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Location: mi | I just had my horses pastern injected a month ago. My vets protocol is 24 hour stalled. then 2 days of free time. Basically can be turned out but not worked. Then I am free to start back to work after that. My horse at the trainer was stalled for like 3 days and week off for a hock injection. All vets have their own wants from what I have seen some are more conservative then others. But of the probably 8 or so different vets I have had inject different joints on different horses over the years all have asked for at least 24 hours stall rest after injection. |
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| I do worry a little bit about him being out 24/7, but agree that it sounds like the best for him. They do not fly spray at the barn I am at, and the flies are pretty bad (and let me tell you, he HATES the flies). But, I could always look into the topical/spot on treatments if he's going to be out 24/7. We are not allowed to use the cross ties, yeah, I know. Myself, I HATE tacking up in the stall! I love cross ties, and they don't allow you to use the cross ties, and her barn is completely full, so I would have to ask her about that. Also, there is no run in shed out in the pasture, so he would have no where to go in inclement weather..And I'm not sure how he would get his grain/supplements.. |
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