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Location: Nebraska | streakysox - 2018-02-12 2:54 PM We have been testing at school and captured me. Ugh! Here is my vent about APHA. I have a list. The APHA just had their world Show in SEPT. Not one word was mentioned in BARREL HORSE NEWS. AQHA had their world show in NOV. There was coverage (although sketchy) in BARREL HORSE NEWS. The only place that I saw anything was in the PAINT HORSE JOURNAL. How many of you get the JOURNAL? If you want to promote your barrel horses, get them out where barrel people will see them. Personally, I like to see who is winning up on the East Coast or in California so I thoroughly check out BHN. There are a lot of people who would like to see some paints winning. At the APHA World Show there is a Sweepstakes Barrel Race which is advertised as 4D. Ad says $6500 added money. Sounds GOOD!!!!! This is how it works--not exactly 4D. Farnham gives $3000 which is awarded to the horse with the fastest time. (NOT SPLIT WITH THE 4D) Since APHA has to separate the regular registry horses from the solid paints, the remaining $3500 is split between between these two separate barrel races. so now we are talking $1750 added money in each barrel race. The entry fee is about $100 plus a mandatory stall fee of $60, office fee $40, and drug testing fee of about $25. You are looking at $225 entry fee to run for $1750. Around here we pay about $35 for that kind of added money. When I asked a representative of APHA I was told that Farnham wanted their money to go to the fastest time. They usually have about 40 entries. If they had it set up as a regular 4D with one race they would have over 200 entries. PBRIP is almost as bad. I was at a barrel race which had 450+ entries. There was a PBRIP sidepot. It had $500 added money, 4D This was divided between two days. Fastest horse got the added money. There were about 8 entries, EIGHT!!! I am not upset that I did not win, but if it was supposed to be a 4D, that is the way the money should be paid out. Don't advertise all this added money if it is not split between the 4D's Then there is the point system for the PBRIP. That goes by the number of barrel racers at a race. That is fine but when you have 8 entries it is a a little hard to get points. Also, 1D gets more points that 4D. So with 8 entries 4D gets maybe one point for first. You would have to see the "NEW" point system to understand. I understand that up North there are a lot of people who enter PBRIP but not around here. Obviously, barrel racers haven't had a lot of input on this.
I'm in Nebraska and we maybe have 1 PBRIP race around here a year. Not worth it for me to even get my membership for that because I won't show APHA. I can run cheaper, on bettter ground, and win more money at a jackpot. I have two paints and love them to death. It would be cool if something changes by the time my 2 yr old is ready to run but I doubt it. |
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| If APHA would learn what a 4D barrel race was it would help.
This is the org version of how PBRIP works. You pay an entry fee. A certain amount goes to APHA. ANYONE can decide to have a PBRIP sidepot. The person that is in charge can take out any amount they want per horse. The rest is put in a jackpot. So let's say you pay $20 to enter. APHA gets $5. Person in charge gets $5. That means $10 is put in the pot. If you only have 8 entries you can't win back your entry fee. The point system is a mess-to be politically correct. APHA membership is about $35 and PBRIP enrollment is $35. Might be a good program if managed a LOT differently. As it is, it is just another way for APHA to suck money out of you. |
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Location: mi | streakysox - 2018-02-13 7:24 AM If APHA would learn what a 4D barrel race was it would help. This is the org version of how PBRIP works. You pay an entry fee. A certain amount goes to APHA. ANYONE can decide to have a PBRIP sidepot. The person that is in charge can take out any amount they want per horse. The rest is put in a jackpot. So let's say you pay $20 to enter. APHA gets $5. Person in charge gets $5. That means $10 is put in the pot. If you only have 8 entries you can't win back your entry fee. The point system is a mess-to be politically correct. APHA membership is about $35 and PBRIP enrollment is $35. Might be a good program if managed a LOT differently. As it is, it is just another way for APHA to suck money out of you.
Are the points you earn at a PBRIP approved event, good for anything as far as APHA points on the horse. Like will they get you qualified for the World show? Or work towards earning any life time awards on the horse through APHA? |
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Location: Oklahoma | The horse in my avatar is (obviously) a paint. He had his share of quirks, definitely, but was all in all a really good horse that I won a bunch of money on, first paint I ever owned. The girl I got him from told me that people would remember my runs - good or bad - because of his color. He was a medicine hat. |
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Location: WYOMING | We dont have PBRIP or many sanctioned or incentive races around FL so Im not up on the goings on. Would love to have more paint based sidepots and would love to run APHA world but I dont see either happening. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | ajs2002 - 2018-02-13 8:20 AM streakysox - 2018-02-13 7:24 AM If APHA would learn what a 4D barrel race was it would help. This is the org version of how PBRIP works. You pay an entry fee. A certain amount goes to APHA. ANYONE can decide to have a PBRIP sidepot. The person that is in charge can take out any amount they want per horse. The rest is put in a jackpot. So let's say you pay $20 to enter. APHA gets $5. Person in charge gets $5. That means $10 is put in the pot. If you only have 8 entries you can't win back your entry fee. The point system is a mess-to be politically correct. APHA membership is about $35 and PBRIP enrollment is $35. Might be a good program if managed a LOT differently. As it is, it is just another way for APHA to suck money out of you. Are the points you earn at a PBRIP approved event, good for anything as far as APHA points on the horse. Like will they get you qualified for the World show? Or work towards earning any life time awards on the horse through APHA?
no points needed for world show
Show in 2 APHA shows and pay entry fee
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| IRunOnFaith - 2018-02-12 9:04 AM
Bought a solid paint and realized very quickly he was more quirky than the rest.
When presented with a stressful situation he would lose his mind.
Afraid of cattle. Afraid of ropes. He ran a good set of barrels and poles. Was a fantastic flag horse and parade horse but anything "stressful" and he would rear straight up and fall backwards. He was very dangerous when stressed.
He was my only solid. Only had him a few years.
Paints are quirky. And sometimes it's safe quirks. Others not so safe. I think I would give another paint a chance but I for sure would walk into the deal knowing that I couldn't resell for much more than I buy them for.
Wow, he sounds like a lot of AQHA barrel horses I have known/owned. In fact, the one I have now is cowbred on the bottom and he is scared of cows to the point I can't even gather any in the clear pastures on him. He is not dangerous when stressed, but we did have a black quarter horse (registered) that was like yours. You could do anything on the ground you wanted to and she was fine, you put a saddle on her, still fine. You get on and it was like riding a building supercell thunderstorm. You could feel it coming and the energy in the air was incredible - in a bad way. There are quirky horses in every breed. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2018-02-12 9:54 AM 1DSoon - 2018-02-12 5:34 AM They bought Hot Shot for $3.79 and a pack of double bubble.
BAHAHAHAHAHA I just spit out my coffee seeing this picture, it always makes me laugh |
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Location: Way up North | I cracks me up when you assign personality traits or poor training to an entire breed instead of just that particular horse or breeding line. I think people fail to actually look at a lot of paint horses papers because if they did they would see how much AQHA and TB tends to be on there. I have two full siblings right now, one is quirky and opinionated and the other is the biggest people pleaser you could ever find (guess which one is the gelding ), that's just horses for you. I have had just as many nice paints as I have AQHA and the same with the bad ones. Most of the paints I have had have been solid so I am sure most thought they were AQHA.
I can't say I have had any more trouble selling the paints in the past, a good broke horse usually can find a home regardless of the color. I will probably have to sell a solid paint gelding this spring to cover some medical bills so I guess I will see how hard it is now. |
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Location: United States | I always say paints are the barrel racing worlds best kept secret and I sure am thankful for mine. Sad thing is no one would judge or know she were a paint unless I said something. As massive as the horse industry is, one would think APHA would be competitive with AQHA. |
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Location: North Dakota | I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me? |
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Location: the other T-town, Oklahoma | streakysox - 2018-02-13 6:24 AM If APHA would learn what a 4D barrel race was it would help. This is the org version of how PBRIP works. You pay an entry fee. A certain amount goes to APHA. ANYONE can decide to have a PBRIP sidepot. The person that is in charge can take out any amount they want per horse. The rest is put in a jackpot. So let's say you pay $20 to enter. APHA gets $5. Person in charge gets $5. That means $10 is put in the pot. If you only have 8 entries you can't win back your entry fee. The point system is a mess-to be politically correct. APHA membership is about $35 and PBRIP enrollment is $35. Might be a good program if managed a LOT differently. As it is, it is just another way for APHA to suck money out of you.
There isn't a set price on a PBRIP side pot, and you don't have to have a pay out. It costs $25 to get one PBRIP approved, sent into APHA 30 days in advance, pretty simple. For every set of points you turn into PBRIP it is $2. Takes a minimum of 5 horses to count if you are chasing year end PBRIP points, no set number if you are trying to qualify for world by competing/entering in 2 shows. We have lots of local producers that are on board with PBRIP approved shows. They send in their $25, we enter, we each pay $7 on top of the jackpot entry fee. If 5 horses enter that covers the $25 the producer paid and the other $2 per horse gets turned in for points for each entered horse. I am already at the race to enter a jackpot, so what is $7 on top of it? So for a show I was already going to it cost me a few bucks more, we pay extra fees/office charges and all that good stuff anyways. An extra $7 a show enabled my horse and I to win one of the PBRIP saddles so all I can say is APHA has been great to me and my horse. He accomplished so many things within the registry this year, above and beyond my highest expectations. But again, I don't need a piece of paper in the mail or my name on the list of results to know what he is and what he isn't, humans making mistakes happens, especially when typing on a keyboard. The people in the APHA office have been amazing, and trust me I have thrown every question at them since horse shows are very new to me. I am not sure where he ends up since he was a AQHA the entire 18 years of his life, and only an APHA for the last 3 or so years and registered Pinto for about 6 months. He is exactly what he is no matter what his papers say as far as his breeding goes. We have never sent one away from our barn without giving them a fair shot no matter what the papers say, or even if they didn't have papers. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them? |
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Location: East Texas | So I looked at the for sale ads on BHW and could only find a few paints listed within 250 miles of here and they were priced about the same as the rest of the horses.
As far APHA and PBRIP, they have answered and taken care of whatever I asked in a timely manner. I am not breeding/training/selling/trying to make $ off of others so I can not speak to what they do or do not sell for, but see 1st sentence above.
PBRIP is just a sidepot for us, and sidepots are sidepots. Some will have a lot of entries and some will not. We have done pretty good in them so we will keep entering if one is available. We are not going to a race just because it is a PBRIP race. The PBRIP race this weekend has $2500 added and 32 of the 50 dollar pot fee is going to the payout (which is about normal $10 OF and 80% payout).
We went to the youth world show a couple of years ago and the sweepstakes paid way better than the show did, and if we go again we will prob just enter the sweepstakes race. Again, we are not looking to have something to put on a resume and try to sell one.
So, ya'll would pay less for a paint than a QH running the same or better times?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 12:02 PM I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
I think using the {cheap} word is the wrong way of saying it, I would have used reasonably price. Using cheap just makes them sound worthless and I know that they are not worthless horses, I myself like paints and if I ever come across another one that I like I will snatch it up in a heart beat.  |
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Location: mi | So you can use qualified PBRIP races to count as your 2 shows required to go to the world show? Do the points stay on the horses life time record the same as points accumulated at regular APHA shows? And I see 5 is the minimum to start earning points..... Is that the same as an APHA show?
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Location: the other T-town, Oklahoma | ajs2002 - 2018-02-13 1:05 PM So you can use qualified PBRIP races to count as your 2 shows required to go to the world show? Do the points stay on the horses life time record the same as points accumulated at regular APHA shows? And I see 5 is the minimum to start earning points..... Is that the same as an APHA show?
If you enter two PBRIP shows you are qualified for world, not just in barrels. My horse placed in the Honor Roll this year based only on the PBRIP shows that I attended. He is a bay overo, so there had to be 3 colored paint entries and him be the fastest spotted PBRIP horse entered and he got a point for APHA. That is the only way I know how to explain it since I don't fully undertand the horseshow lingo. Those are on his record with APHA, too. |
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Location: mi | punkypower - 2018-02-13 2:21 PM ajs2002 - 2018-02-13 1:05 PM So you can use qualified PBRIP races to count as your 2 shows required to go to the world show? Do the points stay on the horses life time record the same as points accumulated at regular APHA shows? And I see 5 is the minimum to start earning points..... Is that the same as an APHA show?
If you enter two PBRIP shows you are qualified for world, not just in barrels. My horse placed in the Honor Roll this year based only on the PBRIP shows that I attended. He is a bay overo, so there had to be 3 colored paint entries and him be the fastest spotted PBRIP horse entered and he got a point for APHA. That is the only way I know how to explain it since I don't fully undertand the horseshow lingo. Those are on his record with APHA, too.
Thanks that explains it perfectly. So basically at a PBRIP show you have to have the same requirements to earn lifetime recorded points as you do at a APHA show. The PBRIP points are separate and a tad easier to earn but you can get regular points that stay with the horses record. ... cool......That is what I was looking for. Thanks!
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| OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me.
I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint. |
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