Bear - 2018-10-08 3:14 PM

“My baby has never been vaccinated, eats dirt, and has been around lots of sick kids, yet he never gets colds, never gets ear infections, and never has had any vomiting or diarrhea.”

That useless anecdote is a hybrid example of one of the most common tools used by an anti vaxxer. First of all, there isn’t a vaccine against colds or otitis media. Secondly, most childhood illnesses that cause vomiting and diarrhea are not prevented by vaccines. Personal anecdotes are the primary ammunition used by those who deny science. Anecdotes are used more by antivaxxers than any other fringe cult. Anecdotes are worthless and if your argument is based on anecdote, it should be rejected. Yes, they are OK for use in casual conversation. A typical logical fallacy used by those intellectually vulnerable to cults like the antivaxxers goes something like this:
- X happened before Y
- Therefore X caused Y
The antivaxxers use it this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny, then little Johnny developed Autism, therefore vaccines cause Autism.”
Now, the right way to look at it would be this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny and he later developed Autism.....I wonder if his Autism is related to the vaccines?” There’s nothing wrong with that. In fact that kind of questioning leads to innovation and advances in medicine.
That’s where Andrew Wakefield’s sinister plot came into the picture and unleashed this tragic mess called the antivaxxer movement.
He published an article in the highly regarded British medical journal, Lancet, in which he tried to prove that the MMR vaccine was linked to Autism and Crohns Disease. At first, it was considered a landmark new development, but the truth is that his research was fraudulent and debunked many times over. He lost his license and the article was retracted. If you read about this ghoulish quack you will realize that only the Nazi surgeon, Joseph Mengele, used more diabolical methods, including the use of children with mental retardation to subject them needlessly to colonoscopies and lumbar punctures.
Nonetheless, he was eventually railroaded out of medicine and forced to leave England. Austin Texas can now proudly proclaim to be Wakefield’s home. The guy made tens of millions from his deadly cult and fraudulent research.

Oh....and the movie “Vaxxed”? Guess who directed it?
Andrew Wakefield, of course.

r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:12 AM

Curious SueRue. What type of animals do you have? Cats? Dogs?

So you do not give them a RABIES vaccination?
 

Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-09 10:15 AM

For the parents that dont have their children vacciated, how do you enroll your children in school, I know here in Texas you have to have proof of vaccinations so you're child can be enrolled in school. No vaccinations no enrollment into school.. Or is there a way around this rule? Both my boys had their vaccinations all threw child hood and never had a problem and both are healthy and have a family of their own. I never question their doctors I wanted my boys safe from any childhood disease, I would have not been able to live with myself if I did not follow doctors advice and one got a life ending disease because I thought I was smarter then their doctors. This is scary knowing that some parents wont vacciate their child.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 10:22 PM Unvaccinated kids go to public schools with exemptions all the time. The number of vaccines over the years has changed. in 1962, 5 doses recommended. In 1983, 24 doses recommended. And in 2018 there is 72 total doses on the recommended schedule. and the number is just going up. Our children now are facing more issues with things like asthma, childhood diabetes, food allergies, childhood leukemia, developmental delays, tics, ADHD, autism, lupus, arthritis, eczema, epilepsy, brain damage, etc.. Pediatricians get bonuses for having their kids vaccinated. Also not much is taught in medical school about vaccines at all. My previous pedi mentioned he does not know everything to know about vaccines. Its all about money for big pHARMa. The sicker we are the more we come to the doctor and the more money they make.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 9:02 PM


Actually ear infections (otitis media you are talking of) are listed on the inserts. Decline in disease happened when clean water, sanitation and nutrition came about. THEN vaccines came about. Have you ever watched The truth about vaccines? Several doctors speak out and not just Wakefield.

Bear - 2018-10-09 10:26 PM


Of course Wakefield isn’t the only charlatan. He’s just the one most infamously linked to deaths due to his fraudulent work. He made millions as a result of his cult movement. Many charlatan practitioners have followed him. Every vocation has members who fall outside the bell curve. He’s a quack and lost his license in Great Britain for his fraudulent research.
No, I haven’t watched the “Truth About Vaccines” for the same reason I haven’t read Mein Kampf.

Seriously, you really have to be incredibly delusional if you ascribe the decline in measles, mumps, whooping cough, and countless other diseases to soap and water and improved nutrition.
Before smallpox was eradicated with a vaccine, it killed an estimated 500 million people.
60 years ago, polio paralyzed 16,000 Americans every year, while rubella caused birth defects and mental retardation in as many as 20,000 newborns.
Measles infected 4 million children, killing 3,000 annually.
Years ago, the bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b caused Hib meningitis in more than 15,000 children, leaving many with permanent brain damage.
Infant mortality and shortened life spans — now regarded as a third world problem — were a first world reality.

1DSoon - 2018-10-09 10:09 PM


you're an idiot


 

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 11:03 PM


What about the billions payed out for vaccine injury so far and reported to VAERS? All most people seem to know about Wakefield is what the media says which is lies unfortunately.

Bear - 2018-10-09 11:39 PM


Have you ever downloaded an actual VAERS file?

Here is all you need to know about VAERS and compensation, but I will give you the Fischer-Price version:

-First, if you fart sideways after a vaccine, it is recorded as an adverse event. If you get pain or swelling after a vaccine, it is not verified. It’s simply recorded as an adverse event.

-Second, for every 1 million doses of vaccine, one person was compensated.

-Third, as is often the case in litigation, out of court settlement (“compensation”) does not necessarily imply guilt or wrongdoing.
It is simply decided, in a minority of reported adverse events, that it is easier and more prudent to arrive at a settlement. In fact, that was a main reason why this fund was established.

Now, as to Wakefield, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that he used fraudulent data. Just because you say it’s all lies doesn’t make it so. In fact, he even admitted it. Are you saying he lied about that?

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-10 11:06 AM I don't benefit anything from sharing truth. My children are well and healthy, I share to help other parents. The truth is there for those that want it. Others will remain sheep. Here's facts below for those wanting to expand their research. The following are NOT opinions, but actual verifiable facts. Research any of it if you have doubts or just want to expand your knowledge. 1) Combined doses of Vaccines have NEVER been tested for safety. The vaccines given to babies have never been tested on babies, or even children. 2) Vaccine manufacturers have been granted legal immunity from being sued when their products inflict damage. 3) DNA from aborted fetuses are used in several vaccines used today. 4) the CDC has been caught destroying and hiding evidence on more than one occasion because it would negatively impact the consumers stance on vaccinations. 5) outbreaks occur in populations that are up to 90-99% vaccinated, AND most, if not all of those diagnosed with the disease have already been vaccinated against it. (If herd immunity is real, how is this even possible?) 6) more people die from the MMR vaccine itself than die of the measles. If you're weighing risks here, it's riskier to get the vaccine than not to. This is also the case with other vaccines, such as the flu shot and the HPV vaccine. The risks outweigh the benefits. 7) Peanut allergies were almost unheard of prior to the use of peanut oil in vaccines. Since the introduction of vaccines containing peanut oil, the number of people being diagnosed with a peanut allergy has risen exponentially. In addition, vaccinated children have much higher rates of allergies (of any kind) than those who are not. ?? multiple independent studies have shown that 11% of vaccinated children are diagnosed with asthma as compared to only 1% in unvaccinated children. 9) full vaccine package inserts are 10's of pages long, not just the 1-2 page you are given at the doctors office. 10) listed in vaccine package inserts as possible reactions or side effects are allergies, asthma, autism, swelling of the brain, and even SIDS. Right on the package! Not only are these possible side effects, but it's proof that vaccines can cause all of these conditions and more. They wouldn't be listed if they weren't connected. 11) many doctors receive incentives or bonuses when a certain percentage of their patients are vaccinated, begging the questions "if vaccines work so well, why do they have to push them so hard," and "if my doctor is essentially getting paid to give me shots, how do I know his intentions aren't just self serving?" 12) the CDC and vaccine manufacturers conduct many of their own studies of their products and conduct their own investigations of themselves, which is like saying "I have investigated and studied myself, and come to the conclusion that I am not guilty of any wrong doing." 13) an overwhelming majority of doctors have never even bothered to read the full vaccine package inserts they receive from the vaccine manufacturers that lists all the ingredients and possible side effects 14) Prior to the introduction of vaccines, SIDS was so rare that it wasn't even mentioned in infant mortality statistics. (Meaning less than 1% of infant deaths were due to an unknown cause) Only after most infants in the US received several doses of DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), polio, and measles vaccines, there was an alarming epidemic of unexplained infant death. SIDS is the number one cause of death in infants in the US ages 28 days to 1 year. Most cases of SIDS occurs within two weeks of vaccination, usually within just days or even hours. The USA has both the highest rate of infant mortality of any other industrialized country, and also the most vaccines given to children. 15) diseases have been renamed after the introduction of a vaccine. What would have once been diagnosed as polio is now being diagnosed as many different diseases, all having the same symptoms once attributed to sufferers of polio. Only difference, it was only called polio prior to the introduction of the vaccine, and now is diagnosed as such diseases as viral or “aseptic” meningitis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), spinal meningitis, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, post-polio syndrome, and acute flaccid paralysis(AFP), just to name a few. 16) the anti-vaccine movement isn't new, and wasn't born from Jenny McCarthy. It began soon after vaccines were introduced and outbreaks in recently vaccinated populations raised questions as to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. 17) live virus vaccines shed the virus for up to 6 weeks after vaccination, thus have the potential to infect and spread disease to others even if the person vaccinated displays no symptoms. In fact, it's recommended that recently vaccinated individuals of live vaccines avoid public places, newborns, and anyone with a compromised immune system, yet we allow them in schools, but discriminate against the healthy, unvaccinated kids who aren't even carrying these diseases. 18) giving Tylenol right before or after a vaccination increases the risk of adverse reactions. Many children experience fever, redness, and generally may not feel well for a day or two following vaccines, and yet parents give them medicine to make them more comfortable, unknowingly increasing the risk of damaging their child's health. Please research as much as you can, your child's life could depend on it, especially if they have a MTHFR Gene mutation. by: Cathy Hall

TyE - 2018-10-10 11:07 AM

Bear,
Have you read the entire vaccine insert for every vaccine given in todays age?
Just answer her question on that one please.  I really want to hear your opinion on that and what the insert says.   I am on the fence about vaccines...... so truly interested. 

thank you.  

Bear - 2018-10-09 4:48 PM I’m guessing it has to do with the “MTHFR gene”. Can you ask your friend?