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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”.
Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice.
“Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication.
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The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice.
Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion:
71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important
5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion
2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% — Other
So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”.
The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed.
They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy.
She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern
Infanticidology.
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Location: Montana | Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2019-01-28 12:53 PM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. Bear... Thank you so much for breaking it down. This NY Law is horrific and barbaric. I do NOT know how they can justify this crap.
Thank you for putting it in prospective. They have lost all humanity and their collective minds. My God, actually kill a baby that is viable after an abortion?!?!?!? That is NOT an abortion, that is infantcide!!! Wake up!!! See what is being done. What is wrong with us, is that right?!?!? Wow, we really have become a horrific society worse than Romans or Hitler's Germany. My God.
HOWEVER, Trump is Hitler. Really?!?!?! Look at history people!!! Margaret Sanger... Hilliary's self proclaimed idol. Wow, what have we become? If we cannot protect the very weakest as babies, what are we?!?!?
I am so very, very disgusted. I am not an overly religious person, but ****... I do know what is right and what is very wrong ...Ten Commandments or not. Geez!!! What does is take? The disregard for basic human life and the hyprocricy is beyond pale.
May God help us.
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Location: Missouri | Bear, thanks for sharing all this info. I'm curious if you have a link of the study or something along those lines? I'd like to share it on my social media. I'll have to zip up my flame suit but nonetheless, it is worth sharing. | |
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| Bear - 2019-01-28 12:53 PM
Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”.
Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice.
“Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication.
L
The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice.
Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion:
71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important
5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion
2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% — Other
So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”.
The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed.
They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy.
She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern
Infanticidology.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MOGirl07 - 2019-01-28 2:39 PM
Bear, thanks for sharing all this info. I'm curious if you have a link of the study or something along those lines? I'd like to share it on my social media. I'll have to zip up my flame suit but nonetheless, it is worth sharing.
Google is your friend. Just start plugging in “reasons for late term abortion” and other similar search terms.
Here’s a good start:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy
Note the figures regarding survival of the baby at 24, 25, 26 weeks, etc... just something to note. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | MOGirl07 - 2019-01-28 2:39 PM Bear, thanks for sharing all this info. I'm curious if you have a link of the study or something along those lines? I'd like to share it on my social media. I'll have to zip up my flame suit but nonetheless, it is worth sharing. To me, in my opinion, you really do not have to go that far with a 'study' to argue your point. The Libs see a baby in the womb (they see it as a fetus) as tissue or a 'blot clot'...nothing more. The hyprocrisy runs amuck!!!
Like I said, I was pro-choice for decades, (and justified it as done early enough) and I am not a overly religious. This has way, way went too far. The Libs can't justify this when put to the test of justifying their actions/Laws. There is no logic or critical thinking in the Dem's position. They will just call you names and shut down the debate. Been there, done that.
However! We can take in Illegals and a 'Wall' is just so immoral and Trump is Hitler or a Facist. Really? Just exactly who is the racist or immoral?!?!?! When we can KILL babies in the womb beyond and kill babies that are viable, just how IMMORAL is that?!?!?!
Exactly why hasn't JD&EZ or Mecon been on this thread?!?!?' Really? They can't argue on principle/morals or they would be here. Guaranteed.
This is truly awful. And I have not been this 'fired' about things in a long time. But, I am way PO'd. This is Law is just so very wrong/not even justifiable; and so should NOT be celebrated.
Good God.
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Location: Arkansas | mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM
Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology.
That is so saddening. Â
I'll second that. And add "sickening."
Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . . | |
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Location: Montana | Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 7:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening. I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
That is what I was just thinking too, sickening...completely sickening. My dad was watching a commentary on second trimester abortion and the process (I know we're talking about third trimester abortions) in regards to this NY law, and I was in the other room listening. I could have about thrown up just listening to the whole process...it made me sick to listen to and still sick to think about it. | |
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Location: Arkansas | mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 9:03 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 7:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening.  I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
I can't watch the video that was posted because I'm sure I'll want to puke. I cannot even stomach the idea of it, let alone actually see it. . . . | |
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Location: Missouri | So I literally had a fb "friend" post today that if you're pro choice and feel the need to post about it constantly, please go ahead and delete yourself from my friends list.
My jaw dropped. 1. Learn how to delete or snooze or unfollow people yourself if their views offend you. I've done it many a time. 2. Can't handle the truth?
Bear, I had googled but your info was so clear and concise I figured it HAD to be from a study (okay okay, the fact that you're a doctor I thought well maybe he found this somewhere else. Anyway....) I hate to admit I never click on anything wikipedia related bc I'm not sure of it's accuracy but, I will read what you linked here!
Gator....oh I know that whether someone's info comes from a study or a reputable source doesnt matter to an entitled lib to wants the right to kill babies. It's completely irrational the way many of them think.....so why would facts work? It just makes me feel better if when I am posting something, I know it's from a reputable source. Then when they argue they just look stupid. ;)
I'm surprised some of our liberal bb friends haven't jumped on here just like you are.... | |
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Location: Missouri | Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 9:30 PM
mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 9:03 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 7:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening.  I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
I can't watch the video that was posted because I'm sure I'll want to puke. I cannot even stomach the idea of it, let alone actually see it. . . .
I've watched a cartoon explaining abortion procedures and it was way more than enough for me. I imagine the video that was shared would make me lose my dinner. It's disgusting what is happening. I'd adopt half a dozen babies if it meant saving them....  | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 8:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening. I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
Yes, since this new NY Law removed ALL criminality/removed abortion from the penal code. Even Dr. Kermit Gosnell could not and would not be prosecuted under this new NY Law. He did actually kill babies that were born alive during a later term abortion. No assistance has to be rendered if a baby is actually born during an abortion under this Law. It is just sickening. The Libs will say that this won't happen. Un-Huh. If you have NP's, PA's and licensed midwives doing abortions now, it will happen. It happened with an actual doctor when criminality was attached. But, who will know? Nobody.
i just really do not understand why there should be so many abortions with all the birth control out there. Abortions should not be on the rise. And it is by Planned Parenthood stats from 2017-18. It is just irresponsible, laziness and complete no respect for life whatsoever. | |
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| Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 5:56 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 8:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening.  I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
i just really do not understand why there should be so many abortions with all the birth control out there. Abortions should not be on the rise. And it is by Planned Parenthood stats from 2017-18. It is just irresponsible, laziness and complete no respect for life whatsoever.
Won’t happen, yeah right. If they really believed it would not happen they would have no need for this law. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | rodeomom3 - 2019-01-29 7:24 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 5:56 AM Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 8:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening. I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
i just really do not understand why there should be so many abortions with all the birth control out there. Abortions should not be on the rise. And it is by Planned Parenthood stats from 2017-18. It is just irresponsible, laziness and complete no respect for life whatsoever. Won’t happen, yeah right. If they really believed it would not happen they would have no need for this law.
But, it is Trump that is a Nazi, fascist, and a racist. Un-huh. Yeh, right. What the Lefties have a 'Syndrome' over is that Trump plays their game. And they don't like it. All other past Repubicans played 'nice' and he doesn't. It is their game and he took the ball. They're PO'd. Lefties are nothing more than very patient Communists.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MOGirl07 - 2019-01-28 9:56 PM
So I literally had a fb "friend" post today that if you're pro choice and feel the need to post about it constantly, please go ahead and delete yourself from my friends list.
My jaw dropped. 1. Learn how to delete or snooze or unfollow people yourself if their views offend you. I've done it many a time. 2. Can't handle the truth?
Bear, I had googled but your info was so clear and concise I figured it HAD to be from a study (okay okay, the fact that you're a doctor I thought well maybe he found this somewhere else. Anyway....) I hate to admit I never click on anything wikipedia related bc I'm not sure of it's accuracy but, I will read what you linked here!
Gator....oh I know that whether someone's info comes from a study or a reputable source doesnt matter to an entitled lib to wants the right to kill babies. It's completely irrational the way many of them think.....so why would facts work? It just makes me feel better if when I am posting something, I know it's from a reputable source. Then when they argue they just look stupid. ;)
I'm surprised some of our liberal bb friends haven't jumped on here just like you are....
I actually think most of Wikipedia is pretty accurate, but you have to recognize their bias when you see it, and always bear in mind they sometimes are selective with facts. They clearly have a left wing bias.
The study I posted was from Wiki, but it was actually a survey conducted by the Guttmacher Institute, which is liberal biased. In fact, it was developed by Planned Parenthood. Knowing that, it’s pretty amazing that they admitted that over 90% of late term abortions were performed for reasons other than severe deformity of the baby or physical health of the mom. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 7:30 AM rodeomom3 - 2019-01-29 7:24 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 5:56 AM Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 8:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening. I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
i just really do not understand why there should be so many abortions with all the birth control out there. Abortions should not be on the rise. And it is by Planned Parenthood stats from 2017-18. It is just irresponsible, laziness and complete no respect for life whatsoever. Won’t happen, yeah right. If they really believed it would not happen they would have no need for this law.
But, it is Trump that is a Nazi, fascist, and a racist. Un-huh. Yeh, right. What the Lefties have a 'Syndrome' over is that Trump plays their game. And they don't like it. All other past Repubicans played 'nice' and he doesn't. It is their game and he took the ball. They're PO'd. Lefties are nothing more than very patient Communists.
Eugenics in the United States  Winning family of a Fitter Family contest stand outside of the Eugenics Building [1] (where contestants register ) at the Kansas Free Fair, in Topeka, KS. , the set of beliefs and practices which aims at improving the geneticquality of the human population, [2][3] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II. [4]Eugenics was practiced in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany, [5] which were largely inspired by the previous American work. [6][7][8] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands. [9]During the Progressive Era of the late 19th and early 20th century, eugenics was considered a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population; it is now generally associated with racist and nativist elements, as the movement was to some extent a reaction to a change in emigration from Europe, rather than scientific genetics. [10]
Can we say Woodrow Wilson? When Hillary speaks of being an early 20th Century Progressive, this is what she meant. Wilson and Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood ) were all about this. Read the back history on Wilson and Sanger. Sanger is Hillary's 'idol' and she accepted the Margaret Sanger Award proudly. We (Liberal early 20th Century Progressives ) actually gave Nazi Germany/Hitler the idea of Eugenics and they just 'perfected' it. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 7:30 AM rodeomom3 - 2019-01-29 7:24 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 5:56 AM Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-28 8:54 PM mtcanchazer - 2019-01-28 2:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-28 11:53 AM Apparently, the claim by the NY law is that abortions beyond 24 weeks gestation until birth can only be performed in cases of severe fetal defects or the “health of the mother”. Therein lies the secret to promoting this barbaric ghoulish practice. “Mental health” is the catch-all phrase that will justify aborting late term babies....stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc.... It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how abortionists can confabulated and craft a legally acceptable indication. L The Guttmacher Institute is a pro-choice organization that has studied this quite extensively.....again, they are pro choice. Here is the breakdown of reasons why women opt for a late term abortion: 71% — Woman didn’t recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation 48% — Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion 33% — Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents 24% — Woman took time to decide to have an abortion 8% — Woman waited for her relationship to change 8% — Someone pressured woman not to have abortion 6% — Something changed after woman became pregnant 6% — Woman didn’t know timing is important 5% — Woman didn’t know she could get an abortion 2% — A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy 11% — Other So in this study, it boils down to ignorance, stupidity, poor planning, and relationship issues. Maternal physical health and “fetal problems” make up a very small percentage. The abortionists will cleverly mold these into mental health indications, under the heading of “health of the mother”. The good news is that most of the bigger, more advanced babies won’t have to be ripped out piecemeal while they cry out in the womb and squirm in agony. Medicine has advanced so these medieval, brutal methods might only be occasionally performed. They can train a mid level provider to push a large-bore needle through the baby’s skull into the brain, where they can inject lethal doses of digoxin into the brain. Pretty painless for mommy. She can go home, go shopping, smoke some weed, or join her friends at the bar to celebrate the event. After a day of waiting for the baby to slowly die in his/her womb, the mommy can return to have the baby delivered/removed/extracted piecemeal. Usually it’s a much more streamlined extermination, thanks to the wonders of modern Infanticidology. That is so saddening. I'll second that. And add "sickening." Am I understanding that if the baby--cause that's what it is, a little human being---survives this attempted murder---cause that's what it is, an attempt to kill this little human being---they then have to "finish it off" somehow???? Please tell me I just am not real bright and misunderstood that. . . .
i just really do not understand why there should be so many abortions with all the birth control out there. Abortions should not be on the rise. And it is by Planned Parenthood stats from 2017-18. It is just irresponsible, laziness and complete no respect for life whatsoever. Won’t happen, yeah right. If they really believed it would not happen they would have no need for this law.
But, it is Trump that is a Nazi, fascist, and a racist. Un-huh. Yeh, right. What the Lefties have a 'Syndrome' over is that Trump plays their game. And they don't like it. All other past Repubicans played 'nice' and he doesn't. It is their game and he took the ball. They're PO'd. Lefties are nothing more than very patient Communists.
Eugenics in the United States Winning family of a Fitter Family contest stand outside of the Eugenics Building [1] (where contestants register ) at the Kansas Free Fair, in Topeka, KS. , the set of beliefs and practices which aims at improving the geneticquality of the human population, [2][3] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II. [4]Eugenics was practiced in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany, [5] which were largely inspired by the previous American work. [6][7][8] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands. [9]During the Progressive Era of the late 19th and early 20th century, eugenics was considered a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population; it is now generally associated with racist and nativist elements, as the movement was to some extent a reaction to a change in emigration from Europe, rather than scientific genetics. [10]
Can we say Woodrow Wilson? When Hillary speaks of being an early 20th Century Progressive, this is what she meant. Wilson and Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood ) were all about this. Read the back history on Wilson and Sanger. Sanger is Hillary's 'idol' and she accepted the Margaret Sanger Award proudly. We (Liberal early 20th Century Progressives ) actually gave Nazi Germany/Hitler the idea of Eugenics and they just 'perfected' it. | |
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I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal.
Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life.
And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal. Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life. And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother. Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either. Hear ya. No option is all 'unicorns and rainbows' when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be...at any age.
However, abortion should be rare with ALL the birth control options out there now. Libs want to say that we aren't in the 50/60's and abortion should be on demand and reproductive rights of women. By the same token, you can say we are not in the 50/60's and it is 2019 and we have numourous forms of birth control (something for everyone). So abortion SHOULD be on the decrease. But it is not, by just Planned Parenthood's own stats.
i am moved by your post, but also a little confused. I am not condeming your post at all; as no option is great at any age when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be. There are consequences for every option.
But, are you posting that an abortion is/should be favored over adoption based on your experience with your bio and adoptive Moms? Just asking and trying to understand your post thoroughly.
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