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Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second. The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ?? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:21 AM
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Typical Democrat.... You ask them to support their views with policy issues and you get crickets!!!
I'm sorry and I appreciate the well thought out post you posted earlier.
Trying to post opinions or thoughts on this board and not being a Trump fan, is sort of like his debate. I see why you all like him so well. If is was a rainy day and I had nothing better to do I would give it a try. However it is beautiful here and I just have to enjoy this day.
That's a total cop out and you know it! You could have just as easily replied to each one of my points and given your opinion on it. It makes me wonder if you actually agree with me but don't want to admit it.
If people can't take the time to have intelligent conversations, you can't take the time to try a share a different view point, how do you expect change? Condemning those that don't agree with you but not providing alternative ideas, doesn't do anything but prove you are just as bad as them.
I have asked the Dems on here many times to tell us what is so special about Joe to tell us why hes their man, what will he do to make our country better then what Trump has done already, the Dems always seem to dissapear when asked this question except for one lady and thats TrackinBubba she answered in a very nice matter, and I truly respect her for her answer. I really think that the Dems on here really dont know why they love Biden, they hate Trump so much they dont care who or what they are voting for they just dont want Trump to win again. Trump has done so much for us in his 4 years and give him another 4 years and its going to be WOW look at what this man has done for us. Trump is a strong man and he dont take $hit off no body... Looking at Trump and then Joe up on that stage the other night of the debate it was WOW Joe looks so sick, weak, frail and lost againstTrump. How could the Dems want such a weak, frail and sicky man for their President? There is no way Joe can stand up for our rights against any other country that wants to destory us. I have asked the Dems to start a thread about Joe and tell us all the goods on him but they wont because they cant, they dont know why.  All they know how to do is Trash Talk About Trump!!!! | |
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Location: OH. IO | Southtxponygirl - 2020-10-01 2:40 PM
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FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:07 AM
Typical Democrat.... You ask them to support their views with policy issues and you get crickets!!!
I'm sorry and I appreciate the well thought out post you posted earlier.
Trying to post opinions or thoughts on this board and not being a Trump fan, is sort of like his debate. I see why you all like him so well. If is was a rainy day and I had nothing better to do I would give it a try. However it is beautiful here and I just have to enjoy this day.
That's a total cop out and you know it! You could have just as easily replied to each one of my points and given your opinion on it. It makes me wonder if you actually agree with me but don't want to admit it.
If people can't take the time to have intelligent conversations, you can't take the time to try a share a different view point, how do you expect change? Condemning those that don't agree with you but not providing alternative ideas, doesn't do anything but prove you are just as bad as them.
I have asked the Dems on here many times to tell us what is so special about Joe to tell us why hes their man, what will he do to make our country better then what Trump has done already, the Dems always seem to dissapear when asked this question except for one lady and thats TrackinBubba she answered in a very nice matter, and I truly respect her for her answer. I really think that the Dems on here really dont know why they love Biden, they hate Trump so much they dont care who or what they are voting for they just dont want Trump to win again. Trump has done so much for us in his 4 years and give him another 4 years and its going to be WOW look at what this man has done for us. Trump is a strong man and he dont take $hit off no body... Looking at Trump and then Joe up on that stage the other night of the debate it was WOW Joe looks so sick, weak, frail and lost againstTrump. How could the Dems want such a weak, frail and sicky man for their President? There is no way Joe can stand up for our rights against any other country that wants to destory us.
I have asked the Dems to start a thread about Joe and tell us all the goods on him but they wont because they cant, they dont know why. All they know how to do is Trash Talk About Trump!!!!
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Location: Nebraska | Southtxponygirl - 2020-10-01 12:40 PM
FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:21 AM
Palopony - 2020-10-01 10:28 AM
FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:07 AM
Typical Democrat.... You ask them to support their views with policy issues and you get crickets!!!
I'm sorry and I appreciate the well thought out post you posted earlier.
Trying to post opinions or thoughts on this board and not being a Trump fan, is sort of like his debate. I see why you all like him so well. If is was a rainy day and I had nothing better to do I would give it a try. However it is beautiful here and I just have to enjoy this day.
That's a total cop out and you know it! You could have just as easily replied to each one of my points and given your opinion on it. It makes me wonder if you actually agree with me but don't want to admit it.
If people can't take the time to have intelligent conversations, you can't take the time to try a share a different view point, how do you expect change? Condemning those that don't agree with you but not providing alternative ideas, doesn't do anything but prove you are just as bad as them.
I have asked the Dems on here many times to tell us what is so special about Joe to tell us why hes their man, what will he do to make our country better then what Trump has done already, the Dems always seem to dissapear when asked this question except for one lady and thats TrackinBubba she answered in a very nice matter, and I truly respect her for her answer. I really think that the Dems on here really dont know why they love Biden, they hate Trump so much they dont care who or what they are voting for they just dont want Trump to win again. Trump has done so much for us in his 4 years and give him another 4 years and its going to be WOW look at what this man has done for us. Trump is a strong man and he dont take $hit off no body... Looking at Trump and then Joe up on that stage the other night of the debate it was WOW Joe looks so sick, weak, frail and lost againstTrump. How could the Dems want such a weak, frail and sicky man for their President? There is no way Joe can stand up for our rights against any other country that wants to destory us.
I have asked the Dems to start a thread about Joe and tell us all the goods on him but they wont because they cant, they dont know why. All they know how to do is Trash Talk About Trump!!!!
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The two brain surgerys that Biden has had, does anybody think that this could be the reason he loses his train of thought and his slower speech and why hes so frail looking? Everytime I see him on tv he just keeps getting sick and frail looking more and more. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works? | |
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:14 PM
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they? | |
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Bear - 2020-10-01 1:08 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:38 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 1:37 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:14 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 1:08 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned.
And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push. How many examined President Trump? | |
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Bear - 2020-10-01 1:08 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned.
And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push.
How many examined President Trump?
That’s my point. They don’t have evidence if they never examined him. But the mental health experts who have do have credibility. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:59 PM Bear - 2020-10-01 1:44 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:38 PM Bear - 2020-10-01 1:37 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 2:14 PM Bear - 2020-10-01 1:08 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM Bear - 2020-10-01 12:28 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second. The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ?? Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind. I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do. Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works? Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story. Who are they? The 300 mental health experts you mentioned. And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push. How many examined President Trump? That’s my point. They don’t have evidence if they never examined him. But the mental health experts who have do have credibility. You didn't answer my question. How many of those experts actually examine him in person? It's obviously a rhetorical question. We all know none of them did. No matter how credible they are, they cannot diagnose or treat a psychiatric patient without actually evaluating them in a clinical setting. If you have a kidney transplant and call me up with a list of symptoms and signs, I can guess if you are experiencing rejection, but no credible transplant surgeon would treat a patient for rejection without an in-person evaluation. If I did that, there's a significant chance of error, regardless of my credentials, and that would be malpractice.
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:48 PM
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned.
And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push.
How many examined President Trump?
That’s my point. They don’t have evidence if they never examined him. But the mental health experts who have do have credibility.
You didn't answer my question. How many of those experts actually examine him in person?
It's obviously a rhetorical question. We all know none of them did. No matter how credible they are, they cannot diagnose or treat a psychiatric patient without actually evaluating them in a clinical setting. If you have a kidney transplant and call me up with a list of symptoms and signs, I can guess if you are experiencing rejection, but no credible transplant surgeon would treat a patient for rejection without an in-person evaluation. If I did that, there's a significant chance of error, regardless of my credentials, and that would be malpractice.
I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but hopefully you understand that you are regurgitating what I just told you. | |
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RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:21 PM
Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned.
And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push.
How many examined President Trump?
That’s my point. They don’t have evidence if they never examined him. But the mental health experts who have do have credibility.
You didn't answer my question. How many of those experts actually examine him in person?
It's obviously a rhetorical question. We all know none of them did. No matter how credible they are, they cannot diagnose or treat a psychiatric patient without actually evaluating them in a clinical setting. If you have a kidney transplant and call me up with a list of symptoms and signs, I can guess if you are experiencing rejection, but no credible transplant surgeon would treat a patient for rejection without an in-person evaluation. If I did that, there's a significant chance of error, regardless of my credentials, and that would be malpractice.
I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but hopefully you understand that you are regurgitating what I just told you.
Nice try. I'm not going to take the bait. I'm not going to flatter you by suggesting you actually believe what you say. | |
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Thank you for these. I found this study interesting- I can see why a president would have depression and/or anxiety, it’s a tough job! It does not substantiate your claim as I think you believe it does, but I’m very intrigued. The Psychology Today article is actually citing the study that you listed second.
The first source is from a right-wing opinions outlet, and is not reputable. But the second two, even though they are linked, are very good. ??
Those were randomly chosen. I'm not writing a treatise just to debate. I think I've made my point. Tell me about your experience and/or expertise in the field of mental health, if you don't mind.
I have none. That’s why I cite sources from experts, who do.
Fair enough. I'm not a mental health expert either, to be honest, but I do have a fair amount of experience treating people with mental illness. And here's the deal. A real professional practitioner who is an expert in the field will not make a diagnosis of a psychiatric condition based on snippets, tweets, and videos. They require an in-person real-time evaluation to make a real diagnosis. Oh they can speculate and guess, just like the rest of us, but the notion of someone making a diagnosis without seeing someone in person is not ethical. A few months ago there was some article where some 300 mental health professionals claimed Trump was mentally unfit. That got a lot of attention, but people don't realize there are over 30,000 psychiatrists in the US and another 160,000 psychologists.
See how that works?
Then they’re making an unsubstantiated claim because they hold the burden of proof, and they lack concrete evidence. The mental health experts close to Trump are another story.
Who are they?
The 300 mental health experts you mentioned.
And how are they "close to Trump?" By the way that letter was from 2019 during the impeachment push.
How many examined President Trump?
That’s my point. They don’t have evidence if they never examined him. But the mental health experts who have do have credibility.
You didn't answer my question. How many of those experts actually examine him in person?
It's obviously a rhetorical question. We all know none of them did. No matter how credible they are, they cannot diagnose or treat a psychiatric patient without actually evaluating them in a clinical setting. If you have a kidney transplant and call me up with a list of symptoms and signs, I can guess if you are experiencing rejection, but no credible transplant surgeon would treat a patient for rejection without an in-person evaluation. If I did that, there's a significant chance of error, regardless of my credentials, and that would be malpractice.
I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but hopefully you understand that you are regurgitating what I just told you.
Nice try. I'm not going to take the bait. I'm not going to flatter you by suggesting you actually believe what you say.
Would you rather I be more candid? Any health expert is not going to get anywhere if they mingle politics into their careers. But higher education does correlate with more left-wing viewpoints, you are correct about that. | |
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