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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 2:15 PM
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Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



I did NOT say that.   I said most people on here...... You and 1dsoon, STXpony, are the ones who keep saying it's no big deal.  Seems like most on here know someone who has had it and was not big deal.  I know people who have gotten really sick and died.


 


Don't put words in my mouth.  I have begged people to take this seriously since they cancelled Houston all because of that Liberal Democrat mayor you all said not me.


Answer my question about Canada vs TX please?


ETA:  I am old people and I'm not ok with.   


I didn't put words in your mouth.  I quoted what you said, word for word.

You don't need to tell me about people who have gotten sick from Covid.  I know first hand, because I put my own health and well being on the line caring for them, even though I have my own comorbidities, just so you know.  Contrary to what you seem to be implying, I have always taken this seriously.  Furthermore, I have gone to great lengths trying to explain the facts about this disease to people on this forum from its inception.  

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
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Bear - 2020-11-12 1:41 PM

Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  

Oh, if you noticed the other day Palo said she had friends that were Republicans and Democrats, and then added that the Republicans were more selfish.  Pretty broad statement.



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 2:20 PM
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I realize that which is why I compared them to TX.  I find it amazing that Canada has less cases and deaths than either FL or TX over the last 2 days.  Makes me not want to go look at how other countries are doing compared to us.  IMO that really says something about our medical care and that Canada's is not as crappy as we are told.  I wish some Canadians would speak up.  I realize he usually won't let you.  I really don't hear many Canadians fuss about it or people on medicare.  


You are trying to shift the focus from Covid to healthcare in the US vs Canada.  Just so you know, I'll be the first one to say our healthcare system is extremely dysfunctional.  I just don't think the answer should be to adopt their system of healthcare.  I think there's a lot we can do to vastly improve the quality of care at a lower cost.  

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 2:21 PM
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Bear - 2020-11-12 1:41 PM


Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



Oh, if you noticed the other days Palo said she had friends that were Republicans and Democrats, and then added that the Republicans were more selfish.  Pretty broad statement.


Kinda like saying, "I'm not racist....I have black friends."

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Palopony
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 2:31 PM
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By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.

You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.

 

Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.

Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 2:36 PM
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By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.


You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.


 


Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.


Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.


I wasn't making this all about you.  I wasn't ignoring the fact that people get sick and die from this virus. I just finished telling you that I'm fully aware from firsthand experience. 

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-12 2:43 PM
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Bear - 2020-11-12 1:26 PM


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Bear - 2020-11-12 12:49 PM


SC Wrangler - 2020-11-12 12:32 PM


Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.



One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.



Bless your heart.  You need to have your memory refreshed as well, I see.  It was your party that seized on the political opportunities due to this pandemic.  


You really have no idea who my party is.  But you do seem to enjoy making assumptions based facts not in evidence.

 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 2:44 PM
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Bear - 2020-11-12 12:49 PM


SC Wrangler - 2020-11-12 12:32 PM


Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.



One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.



Bless your heart.  You need to have your memory refreshed as well, I see.  It was your party that seized on the political opportunities due to this pandemic.  



You really have no idea who my party is.  But you do seem to enjoy making assumptions based facts not in evidence.


 


Point taken.  I was assuming.  Was I wrong?

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 2:59 PM
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Bear - 2020-11-12 2:15 PM


Palopony - 2020-11-12 1:48 PM



Bear - 2020-11-12 2:41 PM


Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



I did NOT say that.   I said most people on here...... You and 1dsoon, STXpony, are the ones who keep saying it's no big deal.  Seems like most on here know someone who has had it and was not big deal.  I know people who have gotten really sick and died.


 


Don't put words in my mouth.  I have begged people to take this seriously since they cancelled Houston all because of that Liberal Democrat mayor you all said not me.


Answer my question about Canada vs TX please?


ETA:  I am old people and I'm not ok with.   



I didn't put words in your mouth.  I quoted what you said, word for word.


You don't need to tell me about people who have gotten sick from Covid.  I know first hand, because I put my own health and well being on the line caring for them, even though I have my own comorbidities, just so you know.  Contrary to what you seem to be implying, I have always taken this seriously.  Furthermore, I have gone to great lengths trying to explain the facts about this disease to people on this forum from its inception.  


Palopony you are just a really HATEFUL person on here, your life must be really kicking you in the A**, I DID NOT SAY anything about wanting old people to DIED!!!! You are the one putting words in other people mouths, what the He** is wrong with you?!! You are picking and picking at us here in Texas, Why is that? You have a SERIOUS problem. If you look at the citys that are having problems with Covid is because they are on the Mexican border, many many people cross those bridges every single day back and forth these are the honest hard working people that need to feed their familys, but some of them are sick but got to feed their familys some how some way but they cross anyway, then we have all the illegals that are breaking the laws that come over here illegal crossing the river carring tons of disease's that are spreading the covid and god knows what else, And you people want open borders!!! Just think if we did have opens borders right now, think what the virus would be doing now, it would be way way worst then what is going on. Well guess what the Covid is raging in Mexico.

And we are Texans and most of us do have health insurance. But some of us choose not to use it because if we do use it at some point then it gos up. So some of Us choose to pay outa pocket because its cheaper.. Now that Trump got the meds to go down on price its alot easier on our pocket books.  

I do know a few that have died because of the covid and then know of some that recovered from the Covid, so what is your problem!!!! Dont YOU EVER PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AGAIN!!! 

Palopony what state are you from? Why do you think that you know all about Texas, where are you getting all your Information from about whats going on in Texas? Seems to me you know it all. 

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Palopony
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 3:21 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2020-11-11 9:53 PM

1DSoon - 2020-11-11 6:43 PM

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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-10 6:24 AM

Bear - 2020-11-09 11:07 PM

caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM

Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??

As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

fact

Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 

Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.

Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.

ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.

 

 



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 3:36 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 



Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.


Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.


ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.


 


 


Where did she say it was "no big deal"?  

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 3:37 PM
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1DSoon - 2020-11-11 6:43 PM


SC Wrangler - 2020-11-11 7:12 PM


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Bear - 2020-11-09 11:07 PM


caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 



Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.


Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.


ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.


 


 


Since you high lighted every thing I said, Where does it say that I said its no big deal? I had to reread the high lighted areas over and over to see if I miss me saying its no big deal, but I cant find it.. MY Mother in Law was the one saying she had the flu, but I guess you cant read right for some reason,you were just wanting to put the wording in my mouth so I would be the one that sounded like the bad person that you really are, LOL but I was just repeating what she said about having the covid.. So high light the part where I said it was NO BIG DEAL, I cant seen to find it anywhere.. 

So do tell us what state you are in.. You know what state I'm from and thats no big deal.. 

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Palopony
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 4:13 PM
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Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.

I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.

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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 4:28 PM
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Palopony - 2020-11-12 4:13 PM

Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.

I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.

You're sorry for what?!! And who said it was Ok for the old people to die? seems like it must be you since you keep bringing it up. And if you knew anything about Texas we have the Mexican border dividing us and its called the Rio Grande River and all the people that cross this River are the carriers not all but alot of them, so do tell how we can control the covid thats coming across the river? What can be done? Like I said Mexico is having a big problem with the Covid and since this is our sister country and with the covid coming across the river tell us what to do about this. You seem to know everything about Texas. 

And it dont make me feel any better about you living in a Red state, Because I dont care/ give a darn about what state you are in, was just cuirous since you are a know it all.

Edited to add: I'm done and have things to do, I would not have had much to say but when you brought me up trying to put words in my mouth that WAS not being said, well that didnt sit very well with me, so next time DONT bring up my name are anybody else's that didnt say anything neg. 



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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 4:36 PM
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Palopony - 2020-11-12 4:13 PM


Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.


I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.


Which blue state is that?

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Delta Cowgirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2020-11-12 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .



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regarding healthcare in Canada:  A horse trainer friend of mine lives in Canada  About two years ago she sustained a knee injury. She was grounded -- could not work in her training business. The doctor told her that without quick care and repair she could be disabled forever with the knee issue.  The quickest MRI she could get scheduled was a minimum of a SIX MONTH wait.  Note a minimum of six months. Since she was not near death, her MRI could keep getting pushed out.  There is no way she could sit in a chair for six months or more -- she would lose her business, her place, everything!  She began selling horses, saddles and tack to raise enough cash to come to the USA and get the MRI so she could get a diagnosis and treatment to get back on her feet ASAP. She did that and got the care/repair and saved her livelihood. 

A coworker - a born Canadian, worked hard to obtain a good job in the USA, moved his family and they are all now American citizens (just this year!). He absolutely hates their healthcare system -- also noting the extremely long waits to obtain appointments and poor service. In fact, he hates the entire Canadian governance.  

Both say socialized healthcare is a mess.  I wish I could recall more of their horror stories regarding trying to get healthcare for themselves and their families.  Our system has its issues, but it is much better than other countries. Sure, it sounds great -- free healthcare for all -- but we barely have enough doctors now. In a socialized system, becoming a doctor is of less interest since the money is not there to offset the long hours and education expense.  Fewer doctors mean longer waits for care, i.e. rationing of care.  Scary stuff IMO. 

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Palopony
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2020-11-12 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .


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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-10 3:13 PM

From a Health Department standpoint any money we have received is for very specific things. We received money to hire additional contact tracers or covid testers.  If covid did not exist we would have no need to hire these additional people. Even with the new staff we have hired we are still stretched extremely thin. I have very little time to do the job I was actually hired to do 3 years ago. 

I just want to say Thank you for all you do and every other health care person out there.  As I read back this thread you and other nurses were quite helpful and I sure wish you well.  Thank you, for telling at least the health dept is not making bank on this virus.  I'm sure there are many places that are cashing in, but not the Health Dept who are trying to keep people safe.

Since the title of the thread is.     Here we go again........ I saw many posts complaining about any and all restrictions.  I also saw many posts saying it was just like the flu.

STXPonygirl  I am sorry I made you mad, I have no idea what to do about the border, quit hiring them would be a good start.  Sorry you think I'm a know it all but I have been telling you the same thing since March.  What can I say I'm old, bored and I read a lot, been home since March.  Other than camping and trail riding and a few funerals, I have been home, thank goodness I love my farm, husband of 41 years, critters and I am a very happy person.  Just a realist, who has put off cooking supper long enough.  Have a great night.

ETA:  Delta Cowgirl thanks for the story, I never said I wanted socialized medicine just reasonable priced healthcare.  What you said does not jive with what I read on my RV forum from travelers or what I have hear from people from Canada who trail ride and spend the winter in FL.  I met a few in Feb when we camped and rode for 2 weeks.  Keep in mind most of these people are older so probably don't need emergency stuff.

 



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-12 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .



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I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



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vjls
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2020-11-13 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .


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Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.


and they call trump a a hitler type shees

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MOGirl07
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2020-11-13 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .



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Palopony - 2020-11-12 2:31 PM


By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.


You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.


 


Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.


Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.


No one called you a racist on this thread....I'm curious where on earth you got THAT?

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