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Location: Georgia | That's what I think, too! I'm contacting them again asking about all ionophores. The sad truth is most all mills use ionophores in producing other types of livestock feed. It all comes down to money. Very few could stay in business if they only manufactured horse feed. But I would definitely be willing to pay more for my feed to insure I am not poisoning any more of my horses! There's just not much choice concerning different brands in our area!
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Location: Texas | Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ladyelbert - 2015-02-17 12:42 PM
Wellllll crap i have just read through 31 pages of this thread and i am now more confused than i ever was!!!! I Feed Stategy healthy edge to my 22 year old, a 9 yr old and an 8 yr old...they each get Sho-Glo mineral every day, they get get hay 24/7 and turnout 24/7. I do feed the 22 yr old and the 8 yr old biotin in thier feed to help with thier hooves. I really like feeding this feed, but now i am unsure on what to do.... i am open to suggestions!!!!
The Purina in my area comes from Kansas City which has no medicated cattle feed there so I switched to Purina Ultium. From my understanding Purina Equine is safe but it wont hurt to find out where your feed is made and make a phone call to ask. Make sure you ask if the mill is ionophore free! not ionophore safe. There's a difference. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 12:59 PM Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
Caution in using in horses, as stressed horses given parenteral or oral tetracyclines may develop severe, sometimes fatal, enterocolitis. (B201)
The feed companies just think we are stupid. Google can be your best friend.Adverse Effects / Side Effects / Warnings: If ... In horses, individuals stressed ... of chlortetracycline. ...
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-17 1:18 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 12:59 PM Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
Caution in using in horses, as stressed horses given parenteral or oral tetracyclines may develop severe, sometimes fatal, enterocolitis. ( B201)
The feed companies just think we are stupid. Google can be your best friend.
Adverse Effects / Side Effects / Warnings: If ... In horses, individuals stressed ... of chlortetracycline. ...
 Exactly!!! Just like my one local mill that told me that they only ran Bovatec through the sacked line...
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'm thinking that Renew Gold is sounding like a good option. I was feeding the Big V feeds but it looks like they use the "less dangerous" ionophore still. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go..... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go.....
The majority of my horses get plain oats and you can bet your bottom dollar, this next harvest I'll have a truck waiting at the end of the field when my brother goes to dump the combine. |
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Location: Kansas | Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go.....
does oats cause ulcers? I'm not a feed guru, just curious as i was thinking of feeding them. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-17 3:52 PM Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go..... does oats cause ulcers? I'm not a feed guru, just curious as i was thinking of feeding them.
My Dad fed corn and oats for over 20 years and had two horses colic over that span and he always had between 30 to 40 horses on his property. From there I fed corn and oats until the mycotoxins started showing up in the corn. I had to quit feeding oats when we moved to Texas as quality oats in Texas doesn't exist. |
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Location: I am not sure most days | I am normally a lurker too but this is just too ridiculous to not comment on..... I have not read through this whole post but what I have read, some have asked about whole oats, I want to let you know what happened to me. I have a 16 year old broodmare that I have owned for over 10 years now, this mare has never coliced or had any major health issues since I have owned her. I have worked really hard to go back to as natural of feed as I can and that means mixing my own. This mare was 5 months pregnant and started showing signs of colic, I was scared to give her banamine at this stage of her pregnancy, I checked with my vet and she said that with the weather being dry she was seeing a lot of 'colic' and we decided that it was better to treat her than leave her alone, mare was fine, a few days later she coliced again. Me being the worry wart that I am called the vet and had her checked to make sure no issues with her or the baby. Well I got to thinking that the only thing I changed in her diet was the brand of whole oats that I fed her. I had switched her to Hi-Pro whole oats. I had noticed that the inside of the bags had a greasy look to them and I thought "that is weird, I have never seen the inside of an oat bag look greasy," these bags did not have a funny smell. Right after the second episode of colic I opened a new bag and this smell hit me, it smelled like someone had poured diesel in the bag. I had my husband come out to smell and as soon as he walked into my feed room he asked what I was doing with diesel in there! grrrrrrrr All 5 bags that I had purchased smelled the same way. I took all of them back to my feed store. He checked with the manufacturer and they said they put a type of oil on the oats because they sell to a lot of competition people and this 'added oil' keeps the horses from colicing.................hmmmmmm. Strange I had the opposite effect. The manufacturer also stated that the smell was coming from a different type of oil that was not completely cleanded from the bin. I switched to a different brand of whole oats and amazingly have had no more colic episodes. I now wonder about the beet pulp that I feed. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Oats do not cause ulcers. Walk in any race barn in Lexington KY and you'll find race horse oats and alfalfa being the main source of food. Alfalfa is high in calcium, oats are high in phosphorus and a good carbohydrate. I fed oats for a several years, but my mare who had flapper surgery is HIGHLY allergic to them, so I had to switch. Instead of feeding one horse one thing and everyone else something different, I swapped everybody. Honestly, it's been trial and error ever since.
If anyone does make the decision to feed a straight grain instead of a complete feed, you still need to call and make sure they are being processed at an ionophore free mill. If not, your 'more organic' oats could be what they are using to 'rinse' the monesin from the mill between processes. |
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Location: NC | I have not had a chance to read all pages so im sorry if someone has already asked but does anyone know if blue seal is safe? And southern states? My gelding has been on blue seal for 10+ yrs and not had an issue but just would like to figure out. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | There is another thread about what feed is safe and what isn't. I'm 99% blue seal is ok, it's a Kent feed correct? |
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| Hi Pro is a very popular feed where I live. A few years ago I tried it and only fed one bag. Didn't care for it all. Found too many things in it. I did buy a few hi pro steamed rolled oats back then too they were alright. Since then I just get while oats from the field from my father in law. |
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Location: Kansas | The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
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Location: The Great Midwest | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM
The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
I feed Nutrena Safe Choice Perform and live in the Kansas City area. So this means my feed is ok? I purchase it from either tractor supply in Independence, MO, Feldmans in Blue Springs MO. or STG feed in Oak Grove MO. I just want to be sure before I freak out an switch feeds! All 4 of our horses are on this and half a scoop of beet pulp. Should I be worried about the beet pulp? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
They told me my feed came from a rumensin/monensin free mill also....the mill uses a different ionophore though. Again...they are trying to cover their butts. I quit using Nutrena. |
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Location: Texas | Red River Grain in Oklahoma makes NO medicated feed. Here is their website:
http://www.redrivergrainok.com/
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Location: The Great Midwest | So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL |
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