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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. :) | |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now. | |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 4:12 PM
Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
You could try the Enrich? It's a ration balancer. More protein, less fat, lots of vitamins; you feed about a pound of it a day. That's what my stud horse is on now because he's fatter than a butterball. lol
I like Omelene, but molasses freezes, so I'd need a claw hamer to break it lose to feed it. lol Purina also has Stradegy, the Impact line, as well the Omelene's and Ultium's. There's a bit of variety. I've been reading up on it quite a bit hear lately. :) | |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Leo - 2015-02-18 4:18 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 4:12 PM
Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
You could try the Enrich? It's a ration balancer. More protein, less fat, lots of vitamins; you feed about a pound of it a day. That's what my stud horse is on now because he's fatter than a butterball. lol
I like Omelene, but molasses freezes, so I'd need a claw hamer to break it lose to feed it. lol Purina also has Stradegy, the Impact line, as well the Omelene's and Ultium's. There's a bit of variety. I've been reading up on it quite a bit hear lately. : )
Thank you :) She is what I would call a medium keeper LOL not a hard keeper and not an easy keeper. I will look into enrich as I want to make sure she is getting the vitamins she needs. I was on omelene 500 a while ago and she was a nut, healthy edge wasn't enough. | |
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Location: CTX | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 12:26 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks, I feed Nutrena Safe Choice Perform and live in the Kansas City area. So this means my feed is ok? I purchase it from either tractor supply in Independence, MO, Feldmans in Blue Springs MO. or STG feed in Oak Grove MO. I just want to be sure before I freak out an switch feeds! All 4 of our horses are on this and half a scoop of beet pulp. Should I be worried about the beet pulp?
This is what I got from a Nutrena rep:
Jolene Wright
Feb 18, 9:19 AM
Hi Dijanne,
Our mills in TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, FL, and Kansas City that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin. From the lot number you provided the feed was made in Oklahoma City which does not have rumensin/monensin. All of the mills in TX and OK supply feed to TSC stores; however, you are correct that TSC is a large company and they have their own distribution centers. I recommend contacting TSC to find out where their distribution centers are and where they get feed from and if there is a possibility it would come from outside the states mentioned above. We have no way of knowing how they distribute the feed once they get it to their distribution centers. I hope this helps! We greatly appreciate your business!
So, I am not convinced it is safe to be feeding this anymore, because TSC can ship their grain from allover.....
I will be transitioning them all to Renew Gold as soon as possible.
Only bad thing is that my broodmare is due next month, and I really don't feel good changing her feed right now. Am going to have a talk to my vet, and as soon as she thinks it's safe I will be starting her on RG also.... | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm pretty much done with bagged feed. I'll continue to feed the Renew Gold but I decided not to continue feeding the small amount of Triple Crown SR that I use to mix in with his Beet Pulp at night. The 1# of Renew Gold isn't enough to keep my horse in the condition I want him in so I guess I will be upping his alfalfa. I wouldn't feed any grain if Purina was my only option. | |
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Location: The South | Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. | |
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| LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM
Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime.
Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-18 9:12 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula.
There's a reason it's hard to find the actual ingredient list for Purina feeds and it's not because they are proud of them like Triple Crown. Purina is known for buying low grade grains. Always have. I can remember going through the Omolene 200 and they had oat hulls instead of a whole oat. Pellets are used so they can take all the broke up crap and make it into a pellet so you can't actually see what you are feeding. To each his own...I've been a Purina hater for years and I'm sure nothing is going to change that. Like I said..before I would feed Purina I'll just add more alfalfa to my horse's diet. To each his own. To all that have good luck with it that's great. | |
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Location: The South | Thank you ladies! I had no idea what a "fixed formula" was. This whole ADM saga has taught me so much about horse feed.
My head is still spinning but hopefully it will all sink in soon. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-18 9:22 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-18 9:12 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula.
NTO- try Chaff Hay! | |
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| Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
This is NOT just pelleted feed. Many textured feeds are blended with meds.
Also, that FDA list is not inclusive of rumensin and bovatec ctc and so on- those are not class II drugs requiring a license. | |
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| If I wasn't able to get Blue Bonnet here I'd feel completely confident in feeding Purina Ultium. It is a fixed formula from what i understand. There is no tag the ingredients are printed right on the bag. However I was told blue bonnet omega force was a fixed feed but they have a tag on their bags .. so who knows! | |
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Location: Kansas | Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
I just spoke with a purina rep...and I'm going to switch to ultium. It's going to hurt cost wise but he said I won't need to feed nearly as much as what I'm feeding currently to get my gelding back up to weight. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | No Purina stocked around here--special order only. I did find out when I went to the farm store that they had bought some chaff hay to try out and said they would start stocking it if I wanted. I brought home a bag to see. I'm excited about trying it on the geriatrics.  My only other option for senior feed is Nutrena. Was the Byhalia, MS plant clean? I thought I read it wasn't, then read that it was and I'm confused. | |
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| I would also like to try the Chaff Hay but don't know where around here and not sure it would be cost effective. Also not sure if you feed it in place of grain?? | |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I'm feeding chaffehay in place of my alfalfa pellets (that were not from I-free facilities). My grown horses seem to really like it, the babies are still unsure. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-19 4:25 PM No Purina stocked around here--special order only. I did find out when I went to the farm store that they had bought some chaff hay to try out and said they would start stocking it if I wanted. I brought home a bag to see. I'm excited about trying it on the geriatrics. My only other option for senior feed is Nutrena. Was the Byhalia, MS plant clean? I thought I read it wasn't, then read that it was and I'm confused.
Its not on the list of medicated feed plants but it wouldn't hurt to send a message to Nutrena. I just posted on their facebook page and asked where my feed came from and if it was ionophore free. THey got back to me real quick. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Many people don't like Purina because it doesn't have many fixed formula feeds like Nevertoold stated. Its one of the drawbacks. I will say I have fed and will feed the Ultium and Ultium growth again and again. I know that's not their only fixed formula feed either. It's pricy but I could feed half or less than half of the recommended bag weight and have FAT healthy horses. Obviously I fed the Ultium paired with a high quality grass hay. I don't think its a good thing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm NOT a fan of Strategy or some of their other lower quality feeds. They do have some good stuff though, you just have to do your homework. To do this day, I have not seen anything put weight on one like Ultium either. | |
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