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Location: Florida.. | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 5:12 PM Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : ) Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-20 10:29 AM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 5:12 PM Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : ) Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
The Purina Sr Active that I feed is a textured pellet. My old mare seems to really like it. |
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Location: The Great Midwest | After a long research session I have decided to switch to renew gold. My feed store is going to get it for me and I'm very happy to try this feed. I will also do alfalfa pellets as well. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements.
I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. |
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Location: OH. IO | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM
CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements.
I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Please excuse my stupidity Kathie. Let me say this. ADM promised they were the best for our horses and I tried that, Nutrena promised they were the best and I tried that. Both of those companies are PROVEN that they are producing feeds that are tainted with Ionophores. Maybe I misspoke but that's what I was told. One thing I know is the Ultium I feed comes from a ionophore FREE plant. There are a lot of feed companies that are bombing out on that now. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
We've all been lied to and since Purina had lied to me in the past..I'm not going to start believing them now. The newest problem I see with them is when Land O Lakes took them over. Colgate Palmolive is another big company buying up smaller dog feed companies and ADM is doing the same. Why? What I've been told and what makes sense is these companies have by products from producing other food items and waste cost money so now they have a place for their by products whether it be in horse feed or dog and cat feed. I fed California Naturals dog food for years and when Colgate Palmolive took over they swore they weren't going to change formulas and it would still be the high grade food it had been for years and years. Didn't take them long to get on the recall list twice in a short length of time. I trust non of the big companies..period. I now feed Hi-Tek dog food and if they have a recall they are out of business. When these big companies have a recall they continue to business as usual.
Then take Triple Crown. Primo feed for years and then they decided to quit milling it in house and got a contract with Nutrena to mill their feed. Do you really think Nutrena gives a crap about the quality of the Triple Crown they are mixing? The inconsistency of their feed showed up pretty quickly when this change was done. Now getting fresh milled feed is a joke. I went in the back of my feed store and looked at tags from the different TC feeds that they had just got in and all of it was over 60 days old and I was told that in the winter 90 days is old feed and in the summer 45 days is old feed and shouldn't be fed. I'm so done with all the big companies. They don't care about our animals. It's their bottom line and since our president has made it fashionable to lie these companies find it just fine to do. Their lies have become a marketing tool. They all suck. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Honestly unless we grow our own grain we will never be 100% positive. All I can do right now is find a company that is promising ionophore free. not ionophore safe. I agree Nutrena failed me, Adm flunked. and Blue bonnet seems to be working. if not I will have to go to Purina. I tried Total equine years ago and I didnt like the way my horses looked. I tried Renew gold but it didnt work either. I am hoping with the spot light to this problem Purina and the other ionophore free mills up their quality control. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SG. - 2015-02-22 2:52 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Thankfully I live where oats is grown and I can get it fresh from the field. That doesn't do anything for my gelding that need a low starch feed. As for dog food, my dogs all eat frozen horse turds.
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Location: Florida.. | I havent used either of these in years but for non competing or high strung horses Id recommend this.. but its low fat.. so keep that in mind... .seminole is free mill nationally..
http://seminolefeed.com/shop/equine-feeds/seminole-wellness-calm-cool/
Purina has this one out..it smells really good to. a low starch feed.have used it few years ago down south for my high strung mare.... .http://purinamills.com/horse-feed/products/wellsolve-l-s-horse-feed/ |
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Location: Nebraska | jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
I'm pretty sure the Purina Dog Food and Purina Horse Feeds are completely separate companies owned by different people. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | brlracerchick - 2015-02-22 5:29 PM jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
You're right. When I was growing up they were the same company and then the company split and the pet care products were bought by Nestle. There has been a few changes of hands with the animal feeds beginning in the late 80's. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 6:52 PM brlracerchick - 2015-02-22 5:29 PM jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
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Location: East Texas | I finally got my feed results back this weekend. I sent off Triple Crown senior and this is what they found. They sent it to a different lab to run a Sulphur test also, still awaiting those results.
darn its hard to read:
Aflatoxin- 2.6ppb
Fumonisin-0.3ppb
Negative for Ionophores
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thank you for posting your results!
There is now a FB page with this same title: Is Your Horse Feed Safe?
It will be dedicated to sharing articles, studies, and information on ionophore toxicity in horses. |
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| Looks like it tested positive for a couple things? |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 10:58 AM
Thank you for posting your results!
There is now a FB page with this same title: Is Your Horse Feed Safe?
It will be dedicated to sharing articles, studies, and information on ionophore toxicity in horses.
Thank you for this info! I liked that page! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 11:08 AM Looks like it tested positive for a couple things?
It shows small amounts of aflatoxin, but well under the action limit set by the FDA. |
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| Got it. WHat about Fumonisin?
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