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smiley
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


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foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:25 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 12:52 PM I've read most of these comments, and stopped for a while, then started back. I'm posting a link to a video of a gentleman that had the exact same situation as Mr. Bundy. One difference being he had the resources to fight the legal battle. It's 45 minutes long, and starts out a little boring, so stay with it if you are interested. Evident the "whole" story is told in the media because it's too long, and too confusing. http://vimeo.com/m/8520897
I have just finished Part I and to say it is interesting would be an Understatement! The Term "Conspiracy" was coined by The Federal Government's Own Lawyer! Water Rights is at the very core of these actions!



Yes, he puts his case out there MUCH better than most. Sadly, just like the Indians, I doubt he'll ever get those "rights" back but he should be paid for what he's lost. 

I found his book for $35 used.........I'm looking forward to reading it, most - after this blm stuff are $350, no 35.............
 
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 2:52 PM
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smiley - 2014-04-21 2:28 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:25 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 12:52 PM I've read most of these comments, and stopped for a while, then started back. I'm posting a link to a video of a gentleman that had the exact same situation as Mr. Bundy. One difference being he had the resources to fight the legal battle. It's 45 minutes long, and starts out a little boring, so stay with it if you are interested. Evident the "whole" story is told in the media because it's too long, and too confusing. http://vimeo.com/m/8520897
I have just finished Part I and to say it is interesting would be an Understatement! The Term "Conspiracy" was coined by The Federal Government's Own Lawyer! Water Rights is at the very core of these actions!



Yes, he puts his case out there MUCH better than most. Sadly, just like the Indians, I doubt he'll ever get those "rights" back but he should be paid for what he's lost. 

I found his book for $35 used.........I'm looking forward to reading it, most - after this blm stuff are $350, no 35.............
 

Smiley, per Part I, Hage maintains and the CFC agrees that Hage did NOT require a Grazing Permit per the Western Water Doctrine(as close to the original title as I can remember.) And if I am not greatly mistaken, I believe Bundy is claiming the same Claim. Now remember there is a Federal Judge who has granted Positive Legal Standing to The Bundy Family Event. And the precedent cited is this same CLAIM that Wayne Hage successfully argued and won Legal Standing and Monies yet to be paid to the Hage Family in regards to this type of events.........................................
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 3:25 PM
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Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
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GoGaited
Reg. May 2013
Posted 2014-04-21 4:51 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-04-21 3:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".

 I don't believe "green weenies" are pawns at all.  They are insane control freaks working together with the commie government.
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Bigfoot
Reg. Nov 2012
Posted 2014-04-21 7:39 PM
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Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 8:25 PM
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GoGaited - 2014-04-21 4:51 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 3:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".

 I don't believe "green weenies" are pawns at all.  They are insane control freaks working together with the commie government.

GoGaited, I would strongly recommend you (and everyone else) watch this approximately two hour videoed interview with Wayne Hage. He is/was an extremely articulate individual who has done quite in-depth research of just 'who', 'what' and 'why' of the opposition Private American Citizens are dealing with. An educational video to say the least.
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 8:26 PM
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Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 7:39 PM

Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.

Agreed. The Media is not neutral anymore. The Media has become Propagandist(s) for The Federal Government.

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TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-04-21 9:16 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-04-21 8:26 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 7:39 PM Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.
Agreed. The Media is not neutral anymore. The Media has become Propagandist(s) for The Federal Government.

 Interesting. The overwhelming majority of the coverage I've seen has been very sympathetic to Bundy.
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 9:27 PM
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TXBO - 2014-04-21 9:16 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 8:26 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 7:39 PM Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.
Agreed. The Media is not neutral anymore. The Media has become Propagandist(s) for The Federal Government.

 Interesting. The overwhelming majority of the coverage I've seen has been very sympathetic to Bundy.

What about the Networks? Truly I have not watched enough TV lately to be knowledgeable enough to guess what the Networks are covering. I know 'Social Media' is supportive of The Bundy's as well as Drudge along w/ Hannity.
But One must remember much of the Info/News that 'Low Information Voters' consume is from Network Media only. And w/ that being said, Fox is the only Network that I am even remotely aware of covering this Constitutional Crisis!
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TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-04-21 9:40 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-04-21 9:27 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-21 9:16 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-21 8:26 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 7:39 PM Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.
Agreed. The Media is not neutral anymore. The Media has become Propagandist(s) for The Federal Government.
 Interesting. The overwhelming majority of the coverage I've seen has been very sympathetic to Bundy.
What about the Networks? Truly I have not watched enough TV lately to be knowledgeable enough to guess what the Networks are covering. I know 'Social Media' is supportive of The Bundy's as well as Drudge along w/ Hannity. But One must remember much of the Info/News that 'Low Information Voters' consume is from Network Media only. And w/ that being said, Fox is the only Network that I am even remotely aware of covering this Constitutional Crisis!

 You're right, FH, other than Fox, the network media has been largely absent.... Making very little coverage slanted to the gov.  
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 9:44 PM
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TXBO - 2014-04-21 9:40 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 9:27 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-21 9:16 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-21 8:26 PM
Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 7:39 PM Sickening, what has been done to these people. Then the insult to the injury is when the news reports, only half the story. Turning public opinion against hard working Americans exercising there rights. I own and operate a cattle operation that has been in my family for well over 200 years. I can see how a man pushed to the brink, and out of money to fight a legal battle would go to extreme measures to protect his heritage/livelihood.
Agreed. The Media is not neutral anymore. The Media has become Propagandist(s) for The Federal Government.
 Interesting. The overwhelming majority of the coverage I've seen has been very sympathetic to Bundy.
What about the Networks? Truly I have not watched enough TV lately to be knowledgeable enough to guess what the Networks are covering. I know 'Social Media' is supportive of The Bundy's as well as Drudge along w/ Hannity. But One must remember much of the Info/News that 'Low Information Voters' consume is from Network Media only. And w/ that being said, Fox is the only Network that I am even remotely aware of covering this Constitutional Crisis!

 You're right, FH, other than Fox, the network media has been largely absent.... Making very little coverage slanted to the gov.  

I must reiterate that many 'Low Information Voters' rely upon Network Media. Therefore, since there is little coverage of 'this' per The Network Media, it is not happening in the 'Low Information Voters' realm of reality anyway..............................
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 9:56 PM
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Just saw this:
http://prepperchimp.com/2014/04/20/harry-reids-connection-to-bundy-...

And this author/researcher is no Harry Reid fan at all!
Also, some extremely tough relevant queries are opened in regards to Reid's Personal Claims as well. Quite interesting it is. I have applied the adage of "Follow The Money".............
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smiley
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-04-21 11:19 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".



I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.

I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.

 
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musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 8:59 AM
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Here's some history!  I'm thinking it puts the EPA and their grab of 'navigatable waters' in the toilet...as I'm sure many are aware of how they've laid claim to all sources that 'feed' navigatable waterways, including dry washes & rain...what a mess.
I find it interesting that the southern states had nearly identical 'enabling acts' in their Constitutions...also, this is the case that 'nuetered' the regional powers in the 1980's.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/44/212/case.html


 
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musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 9:03 AM
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I started to watch this and cannot..warning...it's the BLM abusing donkey's...it's bad, but, it's proof positive...wtf is wrong with people?  Sick sob's.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXzHj9MbKU&sns=fb

 
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musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 9:10 AM
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And here's a plan for how the EPA plans on 'abusing' their 'power'.
(I have to say, again, that I'm glad we're having this discussion, digging etc...it's our duty to be digilant & keep ourselves & our gov't in check...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3GB_b7Nuo

 
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 10:12 AM
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musikmaker - 2014-04-22 9:03 AM

I started to watch this and cannot..warning...it's the BLM abusing donkey's...it's bad, but, it's proof positive...wtf is wrong with people?  Sick sob's.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXzHj9MbKU&sns=fb

 

WHY?!
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 10:14 AM
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smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".



I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.

I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.

 

Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights.
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jbhoot
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-04-22 12:35 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM

smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".



I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.

I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.

 

Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights.

FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-22 12:55 PM
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jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM

smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".



I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.

I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.

 

Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights.

FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!

It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines...................................
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