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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Happy Dance! For the first time in our lives we're on the brink of real, honest 'progress'! Yes! I said progress! Never before have we had such important dialogue concerning issues that will take us forward to become the Nation we were intended to be.
Senator Mike Lee (via fb)
I hope you will watch this an help me share it. People are starting to pay attention to the problems that come from the federal government's excessive ownership of land in the West. I participated in Ken Ivory's public land summit last week with other elected officials from around the country, and I am encouraged by the attention this issue is receiving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0o95mkX20w&feature=youtu.be
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foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM
smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights.
FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines...................................
They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so. | |
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Location: North Texas | jbhoot - 2014-04-22 1:44 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM
smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights.
FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines...................................
They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
I suspect the BLM is still lickin' it wounds so to speak after the last face off.
Now seriously, there is absolutely no telling what is going through the Head Shed's minds in regards to this.
Obviously, there is copious amounts of money involved in this venture. The Question is: For Who?
My bet is still on Harry Reid and Company.
Also, others high up in The Federal Government.
Yes, I am a Conspiracy Theorist, however there is so much that is not Theory but Hard Cold Fact! | |
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Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:52 PM smiley - 2014-04-21 2:28 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:25 PM Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 12:52 PM I've read most of these comments, and stopped for a while, then started back. I'm posting a link to a video of a gentleman that had the exact same situation as Mr. Bundy. One difference being he had the resources to fight the legal battle. It's 45 minutes long, and starts out a little boring, so stay with it if you are interested. Evident the "whole" story is told in the media because it's too long, and too confusing. http://vimeo.com/m/8520897 I have just finished Part I and to say it is interesting would be an Understatement! The Term "Conspiracy" was coined by The Federal Government's Own Lawyer! Water Rights is at the very core of these actions!
I found his book for $35 used.........I'm looking forward to reading it, most - after this blm stuff are $350, no 35............. Smiley, per Part I, Hage maintains and the CFC agrees that Hage did NOT require a Grazing Permit per the Western Water Doctrine (as close to the original title as I can remember. ) And if I am not greatly mistaken, I believe Bundy is claiming the same Claim. Now remember there is a Federal Judge who has granted Positive Legal Standing to The Bundy Family Event. And the precedent cited is this same CLAIM that Wayne Hage successfully argued and won Legal Standing and Monies yet to be paid to the Hage Family in regards to this type of events.........................................
Edited: wrong comment for wrong post, too many tabs open. The Judge said he agreed that Bundy was similar to Hage and likely had hte same argument, no one granted Bundy anything that I'm aware of, it was an op-ed, not court.
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved.
This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video. | |
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| jbhoot - 2014-04-22 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
Let's be clear - they are NOT trying to take Bundy's deeded ranch. They are simply trying to get his cattle off federal land. | |
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 2:53 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:52 PM smiley - 2014-04-21 2:28 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:25 PM Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 12:52 PM I've read most of these comments, and stopped for a while, then started back. I'm posting a link to a video of a gentleman that had the exact same situation as Mr. Bundy. One difference being he had the resources to fight the legal battle. It's 45 minutes long, and starts out a little boring, so stay with it if you are interested. Evident the "whole" story is told in the media because it's too long, and too confusing. http://vimeo.com/m/8520897 I have just finished Part I and to say it is interesting would be an Understatement! The Term "Conspiracy" was coined by The Federal Government's Own Lawyer! Water Rights is at the very core of these actions!
I found his book for $35 used.........I'm looking forward to reading it, most - after this blm stuff are $350, no 35............. Smiley, per Part I, Hage maintains and the CFC agrees that Hage did NOT require a Grazing Permit per the Western Water Doctrine (as close to the original title as I can remember. ) And if I am not greatly mistaken, I believe Bundy is claiming the same Claim. Now remember there is a Federal Judge who has granted Positive Legal Standing to The Bundy Family Event. And the precedent cited is this same CLAIM that Wayne Hage successfully argued and won Legal Standing and Monies yet to be paid to the Hage Family in regards to this type of events.........................................
Edited: wrong comment for wrong post, too many tabs open. The Judge said he agreed that Bundy was similar to Hage and likely had hte same argument, no one granted Bundy anything that I'm aware of, it was an op-ed, not court.
'I' have never argued "Vaccines" with you. To be downright truthful, I have mixed feelings in regards to vaccines. However, your POV is correct. The trail of money leads right back to Big Pharma. I had this 'thought discussion' in my own head last night.
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| jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
This where you lose me, now we're saying the BLM has a blanket document, but earlier people were saying they had no rights to do anything they did other than remove cattle - so which is it?
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:55 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video.
And for the record, I disagree with that tactic, but what are the choices??
In the past they would have donkey roasts with the excess donkeys. I think the activists are ridiculous in what they expect, like the new story that the BLM sold cattle to Canada for slaughter.
They were not wild horses, they were left over rodeo stock, then the contractor died and never removed them and no one else did either, so they were rounded up and sold to the highest bidder. Can you imagine if the BLM took in all the unwanted horses in the US and called them "wild." Good night.
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| bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 2:00 PM http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come...
Oh heaven's, ask an Indian or two how that is working for them. Ancestral rights................Oh Lord. Come on - really? How about Spanish Land Grants?? Should the Mexicans come back to New Mexico and California and enforce their anscetral rights??
Treaties are sadly broken all the time - at least those are in writing and something to defend in my eyes. Like the guy who is fighting to keep his people's land from being turned into a national park. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:58 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:53 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:52 PM smiley - 2014-04-21 2:28 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 1:25 PM Bigfoot - 2014-04-21 12:52 PM I've read most of these comments, and stopped for a while, then started back. I'm posting a link to a video of a gentleman that had the exact same situation as Mr. Bundy. One difference being he had the resources to fight the legal battle. It's 45 minutes long, and starts out a little boring, so stay with it if you are interested. Evident the "whole" story is told in the media because it's too long, and too confusing. http://vimeo.com/m/8520897 I have just finished Part I and to say it is interesting would be an Understatement! The Term "Conspiracy" was coined by The Federal Government's Own Lawyer! Water Rights is at the very core of these actions!
I found his book for $35 used.........I'm looking forward to reading it, most - after this blm stuff are $350, no 35............. Smiley, per Part I, Hage maintains and the CFC agrees that Hage did NOT require a Grazing Permit per the Western Water Doctrine (as close to the original title as I can remember. ) And if I am not greatly mistaken, I believe Bundy is claiming the same Claim. Now remember there is a Federal Judge who has granted Positive Legal Standing to The Bundy Family Event. And the precedent cited is this same CLAIM that Wayne Hage successfully argued and won Legal Standing and Monies yet to be paid to the Hage Family in regards to this type of events.........................................
Edited: wrong comment for wrong post, too many tabs open. The Judge said he agreed that Bundy was similar to Hage and likely had hte same argument, no one granted Bundy anything that I'm aware of, it was an op-ed, not court. 'I' have never argued "Vaccines" with you. To be downright truthful, I have mixed feelings in regards to vaccines. However, your POV is correct. The trail of money leads right back to Big Pharma. I had this 'thought discussion' in my own head last night.
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 3:01 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:55 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video.
In the past they would have donkey roasts with the excess donkeys. I think the activists are ridiculous in what they expect, like the new story that the BLM sold cattle to Canada for slaughter.
They were not wild horses, they were left over rodeo stock, then the contractor died and never removed them and no one else did either, so they were rounded up and sold to the highest bidder. Can you imagine if the BLM took in all the unwanted horses in the US and called them "wild." Good night.
IF we were smart as a society, we would be feeding our homeless people horse and donkey steak.
Hage's Part I (or perhaps Pt II) references just how and where the current day HUGE amounts of Wild Horses and Donkeys originated...............The BLM had a major hand in this! They had to justify themselves somehow. The timeline was the early 1970s. | |
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 2:55 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-22 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
Really? This remains to be seen. Remember how important (I.E. Valuable) Water Rights are in the arid desert of Nevada.
Now here is an analogy:
'I' "own" a section (640 acres) of pastureland. I do not "own" the mineral rights to said land. And Oil is discovered under that land.............The mineral rights owners can sell those minerals from under that land, thereby in effect, controlling or 'owning' that land.
The same concept applies to Water Rights and The Bundy Family owns the water rights controlling the land in question. Remember per the Hage Case, if One owns the Water Rights controlling a piece of rangeland, then One does NOT require a Grazing Permit in order to use said range. Or have you watched Pt. II of Hage's Interview yet. And The Federal Court of Claims (CFC) agrees with Hage.
The Bundy's OWN The Water Rights in that area!
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bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 2:00 PM http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come...
Oh heaven's, ask an Indian or two how that is working for them. Ancestral rights................Oh Lord. Come on - really? How about Spanish Land Grants?? Should the Mexicans come back to New Mexico and California and enforce their anscetral rights??
Treaties are sadly broken all the time - at least those are in writing and something to defend in my eyes. Like the guy who is fighting to keep his people's land from being turned into a national park.
I liked the part where the Bundy family purchased the ranch in 1948 and didnt start grazing until 1956. They didnt settle this area, instead they purchased it from someone else that had already established the ranch. Makes sense now why they never homesteaded. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:13 PM
smiley - 2014-04-22 2:55 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-22 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
Really? This remains to be seen. Remember how important (I.E. Valuable ) Water Rights are in the arid desert of Nevada.
Now here is an analogy:
'I' "own" a section (640 acres ) of pastureland. I do not "own" the mineral rights to said land. And Oil is discovered under that land.............The mineral rights owners can sell those minerals from under that land, thereby in effect, controlling or 'owning' that land.
The same concept applies to Water Rights and The Bundy Family owns the water rights controlling the land in question. Remember per the Hage Case, if One owns the Water Rights controlling a piece of rangeland, then One does NOT require a Grazing Permit in order to use said range. Or have you watched Pt. II of Hage's Interview yet. And The Federal Court of Claims (CFC ) agrees with Hage.
The Bundy's OWN The Water Rights in that area!
Well, they CLAIM to own the water rights, that remains to be seen, but I did watch the Hage interviews and I thought they were interesting, well done and very informative and I bought his first edition of his book online as well. Looking forward to reading it. Having said all that, he's not Bundy and Bundy is not him.
NO ONE at this point is trying to take Bundy's land, nor was that even a consideration toward his deeded land by anyone's estimation. Now, if they end up taking it in the future, I would have a hard time feeling sorry for Bundy, who has been illegally grazing for close to 25 years. He racked up those bills, no one did it for him, and I would venture to say that stopping the BLM from doing their court ordered duty, is racking up even more debt for Bundy.
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:05 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:01 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:55 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video.
In the past they would have donkey roasts with the excess donkeys. I think the activists are ridiculous in what they expect, like the new story that the BLM sold cattle to Canada for slaughter.
They were not wild horses, they were left over rodeo stock, then the contractor died and never removed them and no one else did either, so they were rounded up and sold to the highest bidder. Can you imagine if the BLM took in all the unwanted horses in the US and called them "wild." Good night.
IF we were smart as a society, we would be feeding our homeless people horse and donkey steak. Hage's Part I (or perhaps Pt II ) references just how and where the current day HUGE amounts of Wild Horses and Donkeys originated...............The BLM had a major hand in this! They had to justify themselves somehow. The timeline was the early 1970s.
First of all, Hage can also be wrong or misled, having said that, I'm referring to a very recent case in which the BLM is being accused of selling off "wild mustangs" for slaughter to Canada, you can google it but you've likely seen it on your FB wall. I'm not arguing the 70s and wild horses, as that is where the activists come in - they do not want ANY cattle grazing on public land, in their eyes that is ALL for "wild" horses. | |
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| bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 2:15 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:04 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 2:00 PM http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come... Oh heaven's, ask an Indian or two how that is working for them. Ancestral rights................Oh Lord. Come on - really? How about Spanish Land Grants?? Should the Mexicans come back to New Mexico and California and enforce their anscetral rights??
Treaties are sadly broken all the time - at least those are in writing and something to defend in my eyes. Like the guy who is fighting to keep his people's land from being turned into a national park. I liked the part where the Bundy family purchased the ranch in 1948 and didnt start grazing until 1956. They didnt settle this area, instead they purchased it from someone else that had already established the ranch. Makes sense now why they never homesteaded. | |
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smiley - 2014-04-22 2:55 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-22 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!!
Really? This remains to be seen. Remember how important (I.E. Valuable ) Water Rights are in the arid desert of Nevada.
Now here is an analogy:
'I' "own" a section (640 acres ) of pastureland. I do not "own" the mineral rights to said land. And Oil is discovered under that land.............The mineral rights owners can sell those minerals from under that land, thereby in effect, controlling or 'owning' that land.
The same concept applies to Water Rights and The Bundy Family owns the water rights controlling the land in question. Remember per the Hage Case, if One owns the Water Rights controlling a piece of rangeland, then One does NOT require a Grazing Permit in order to use said range. Or have you watched Pt. II of Hage's Interview yet. And The Federal Court of Claims (CFC ) agrees with Hage.
The Bundy's OWN The Water Rights in that area!
The only water rights they own is for their melon farm on the 160 acres that they own. Their water rights for stock water tanks on BLM ground expire 5 years after non-use or expiration of a permit. They technically do not have water rights since they quit paying their permit grazing fees.
Edited by bscanchaser 2014-04-22 3:26 PM
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