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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:56 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:51 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:27 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:17 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:13 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! Really? This remains to be seen. Remember how important (I.E. Valuable ) Water Rights are in the arid desert of Nevada. Now here is an analogy: 'I' "own" a section (640 acres ) of pastureland. I do not "own" the mineral rights to said land. And Oil is discovered under that land.............The mineral rights owners can sell those minerals from under that land, thereby in effect, controlling or 'owning' that land. The same concept applies to Water Rights and The Bundy Family owns the water rights controlling the land in question. Remember per the Hage Case, if One owns the Water Rights controlling a piece of rangeland, then One does NOT require a Grazing Permit in order to use said range. Or have you watched Pt. II of Hage's Interview yet. And The Federal Court of Claims (CFC ) agrees with Hage. The Bundy's OWN The Water Rights in that area! Well, they CLAIM to own the water rights, that remains to be seen, but I did watch the Hage interviews and I thought they were interesting, well done and very informative and I bought his first edition of his book online as well. Looking forward to reading it. Having said all that, he's not Bundy and Bundy is not him. NO ONE at this point is trying to take Bundy's land, nor was that even a consideration toward his deeded land by anyone's estimation. Now, if they end up taking it in the future, I would have a hard time feeling sorry for Bundy, who has been illegally grazing for close to 25 years. He racked up those bills, no one did it for him, and I would venture to say that stopping the BLM from doing their court ordered duty, is racking up even more debt for Bundy. That is not a conspiracy, that is simply a man fighting a battle that he's going to lose. IMO of course. I agree about the claim of owning the water rights. Let us say he does for the sake of argument. Then with that said Bundy controls the range land that this water flows on.....................This is in line with that convoluted named Western Water Doctrine that I cannot for the life of me remember its correct name! heheheehhhee I may be barking up the wrong the tree here, I do not know. But I do know this for certain! The BLM's response was heavy handed and over the top! A simple lien on the sale of the disputed cattle would have sufficed. And again follow the money in this little deally whopper. Just WHO stands to gain the MOST with the control of said Range? Again, this is bigger than a simple extended trespassing charge. The Culture of The BLM has been documented for decades. Also Smiley, do You agree with Colorado's Claim of Rainfall Runoff on Private Citizen's Structures and that said Private Citizen's do not own said Rainfall Runoff? This issue falls under The Water Rights Question as well.
I think that water runoff (rain ) is open to all and anything less than that is stupid. I think it's stupid I can' t "make a pond" on my own land. I think the govt., needs a real wake up call and I would agree that hte BLM has had some bad press and done some stupid things - and now O has put in a rock hard liberal in charge of the agency...............that's who "runs" the BLM for lack of a better term - the president. I got a book on the history of hte BLM and it' s quite the soap opera.
So would you disagree that the BLM just might have created the Wild Horse Problem in order to justify their own existence?
No, not at all. I think it was likely in response to something else. You have to recall, the BLM takes care of all these things - not just horses:
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Some interesting stuff that I don't fully comprehend...lol. I went to the BLM patent search & found a few things, just don't have time/energy to be thorough, so thought I'd share some of it for those more interested in investigating.
This is from the land belong to a 'Leavitt' that the news article mentioned as the original owner...I don't have any clue that this is the property the Bundy's own...mostly, it looks like the land in that area was disposed of to the stae? Idk...I suck at multi-tasking & better get focused...Haha!
Land Disposals - Patents - Etc
The Land Disposals - Patents - Etc query selects all lands that have been disposed of by the federal government.
The specific selection criteria items that make up this query are as followed:
• NV-LIEU SELECTION
Authority:NV-Lieu Selection [June 16, 1880] (021 Stat. 0287)
BLM Serial Nr:NVNVAA 000199
Metes/Bounds:No
LR-2000 Doc ID:28
Counties:Churchill, Clark, Douglas,
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 4:08 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-22 3:03 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:59 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:36 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I would not refer to "facts" when some of it is not even close to facts, like the newest "wild horse" BS about Canada and slaughter. People run with a half-azzed story and get FB all worked up and it turns out to be BS. That's all I'm saying.
Again, this book on the history of hte BLM - a Book they would NOT allow to be published today I can say with certainty - talks about the conservatives being in charge of vs. the liberals. Since all of this is documented in Court Records in regards to The Hage Family and The CFC found The Federal Government to be in violation of The Fourth Amendment, what would these incidents and events be called then? Fairy Tales? Inaccurate Memories? Or just perhaps................Historical FACTS maybe?
So wht you are saying is that hte "facts" in the MANY court cases that the Hages lost, weren't facts at all, but now that they won - now they are "facts."
You see how that works - when it's in the favor you want or belieev in, then they are "facts" but when it's not in your favor, then they arne't facts.
Fact is verb for "who you talking to at the time"?
I'm not saying that that stuff didn't happen, I wasn't there, I haven't read hte court docs, I'm pointing out that screaming "facts" at me when I've been aruging that bundy is con artist from the start and now being dismissive because I don't jump on the "fact" wagon is hyocritical. We can literally read hte same "facts" and come away with much different opinions. I'm talking bigger picture, you want me to back track to 1970 and pick out specifics............
I suspect You may be cross referencing the Hage Family and The Bundy Family. I was attempting to reference The Hage Family Court Decision in regards to The CFC and The Fed's Violation of The Fourth Amendment.
Perhaps I am errant in using The Hage Case to support The Bundy Deal. The Hage Family Case has been settled in The Court System (CFC) and The Bundy Case has not been to The CFC or SCOTUS, yet.
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| MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-04-22 3:00 PM I just wanted to add my two cents about the BLM being abusive to the wild burros and mustangs. I actually own a BLM mustang, my husband was there when they loaded him up in the truck. These horses were beat the He%* up some with serious wounds and they were sent with the trainers anyway. They used cattle prods, and eared them down to get them in the chutes. (Now I understand these are wild horses and I'm not a weenie as far as "abusive" training goes just an FYI ) However, my gelding STILL has issues with his left ear from these incidents. Also, they had so many horses crammed into such small spaces they were constantly kicking, biting, etc. My gelding was skin and bones and clearly wasn't getting enough feed against all the other geldings/studs he was jammed in there with. I've also seen videos of the roundups where their hooves have actually been worn to nubs and had to be euthanized from running from the choppers so long. I don't know what the solution is to the overpopulation of mustangs and burros. I can just say I'd rather they be humanely euthanized than endure some of the things they have to. I am so grateful to have my boy, best horse I could ever ask for.
Again, danged if you do, danged if you don't. You have a horse that was dirt cheap and he has some ear issues - big deal. The list of rules for what you can't do to horses is ridiculous. They have a limited amount of time to round up, and adopt out. They have limited funds and people in which to do that, if you don't agree with their methods you should be a whole bunch of volunteers together to do the next one.
Honestly, I think that is EXACTLY what the BLM is missing - they continue to do the same things because they are feasible but they miss the wonderful PR opportunity to let people just like this go get their own dang horse. Go on and get your friends and go GET your new horse.
We'll see how many creative ways volunteers have with rounding up a large number of wild horses, most if not all of which have never interacted with humans before. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | smiley - 2014-04-22 2:51 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-22 2:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:01 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:55 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video.
In the past they would have donkey roasts with the excess donkeys. I think the activists are ridiculous in what they expect, like the new story that the BLM sold cattle to Canada for slaughter.
They were not wild horses, they were left over rodeo stock, then the contractor died and never removed them and no one else did either, so they were rounded up and sold to the highest bidder. Can you imagine if the BLM took in all the unwanted horses in the US and called them "wild." Good night.
IF we were smart as a society, we would be feeding our homeless people horse and donkey steak.
Look...I realize that you're not going to change your mind about how you think the Bundy's are wrong & the gov't can do NO wrong...but, to continue to defend the gov't at this level is just...somehow.
I'm sure the man 'won' eventually...You're right, you never said the gov't could do NO wrong...I'll remove those words from your mouth...forgive?! | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 3:16 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 4:08 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 3:03 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:59 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:36 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Reference:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I would not refer to "facts" when some of it is not even close to facts, like the newest "wild horse" BS about Canada and slaughter. People run with a half-azzed story and get FB all worked up and it turns out to be BS. That's all I'm saying.
Again, this book on the history of hte BLM - a Book they would NOT allow to be published today I can say with certainty - talks about the conservatives being in charge of vs. the liberals. Since all of this is documented in Court Records in regards to The Hage Family and The CFC found The Federal Government to be in violation of The Fourth Amendment, what would these incidents and events be called then? Fairy Tales? Inaccurate Memories? Or just perhaps................Historical FACTS maybe?
So wht you are saying is that hte "facts" in the MANY court cases that the Hages lost, weren't facts at all, but now that they won - now they are "facts."
You see how that works - when it's in the favor you want or belieev in, then they are "facts" but when it's not in your favor, then they arne't facts.
Fact is verb for "who you talking to at the time"?
I'm not saying that that stuff didn't happen, I wasn't there, I haven't read hte court docs, I'm pointing out that screaming "facts" at me when I've been aruging that bundy is con artist from the start and now being dismissive because I don't jump on the "fact" wagon is hyocritical. We can literally read hte same "facts" and come away with much different opinions. I'm talking bigger picture, you want me to back track to 1970 and pick out specifics............
I suspect You may be cross referencing the Hage Family and The Bundy Family. I was attempting to reference The Hage Family Court Decision in regards to The CFC and The Fed's Violation of The Fourth Amendment. Perhaps I am errant in using The Hage Case to support The Bundy Deal. The Hage Family Case has been settled in The Court System (CFC ) and The Bundy Case has not been to The CFC or SCOTUS, yet. The Hage Family Case has set LEGAL PRECEDENT. The Bundy Family is attempting to use The Hage Family Case.
I think we may both be lost on this one at this point - MY overall point is that the "facts" were presented to multiple courts prior to the Hages "win" and they did not see the "facts" as the last court did.
Facts are nothing but interpretation.
They weren't "facts" in the cases the Hages lost, but now that the Hages' won - they are "facts."
Does that make sense. You can't have it both ways - the first courts said they weren't facts - the later court said they were - you think they are "facts" because you want the Hages to win and so they did and now the first court cases are no longer a "factual" standing toward hte Hages.
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-22 3:20 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:51 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-22 2:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:01 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 1:55 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:52 PM
Is this the one where the guy can't get the donkey to move?? It's not abuse, come on already. That right there is a donkey getting the better part of a man. IT shows how smart the donkey is and how not smart the man is...............I laughed by the end. That donkey owned that man at the end, he never moved. This video also illustrates the use of Flying Helicopter Pilot employing the use of a landing skid to overturn a donkey in motion. Please do not out this description. For I watched the video.
In the past they would have donkey roasts with the excess donkeys. I think the activists are ridiculous in what they expect, like the new story that the BLM sold cattle to Canada for slaughter.
They were not wild horses, they were left over rodeo stock, then the contractor died and never removed them and no one else did either, so they were rounded up and sold to the highest bidder. Can you imagine if the BLM took in all the unwanted horses in the US and called them "wild." Good night.
IF we were smart as a society, we would be feeding our homeless people horse and donkey steak.
Look...I realize that you're not going to change your mind about how you think the Bundy's are wrong & the gov't can do NO wrong...but, to continue to defend the gov't at this level is just...somehow.
Of course. I know the govt., does wrong -- all the dang time -- I also know that small people with 5 ounces of power suck and there are more of them in govt - it seems - than anywhere else.
I'm not a "truster" of the govt., but no one is always wrong. | |
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 4:20 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-22 3:16 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 4:08 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 3:03 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 3:59 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:36 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Reference:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I would not refer to "facts" when some of it is not even close to facts, like the newest "wild horse" BS about Canada and slaughter. People run with a half-azzed story and get FB all worked up and it turns out to be BS. That's all I'm saying.
Again, this book on the history of hte BLM - a Book they would NOT allow to be published today I can say with certainty - talks about the conservatives being in charge of vs. the liberals. Since all of this is documented in Court Records in regards to The Hage Family and The CFC found The Federal Government to be in violation of The Fourth Amendment, what would these incidents and events be called then? Fairy Tales? Inaccurate Memories? Or just perhaps................Historical FACTS maybe?
So wht you are saying is that hte "facts" in the MANY court cases that the Hages lost, weren't facts at all, but now that they won - now they are "facts."
You see how that works - when it's in the favor you want or belieev in, then they are "facts" but when it's not in your favor, then they arne't facts.
Fact is verb for "who you talking to at the time"?
I'm not saying that that stuff didn't happen, I wasn't there, I haven't read hte court docs, I'm pointing out that screaming "facts" at me when I've been aruging that bundy is con artist from the start and now being dismissive because I don't jump on the "fact" wagon is hyocritical. We can literally read hte same "facts" and come away with much different opinions. I'm talking bigger picture, you want me to back track to 1970 and pick out specifics............
I suspect You may be cross referencing the Hage Family and The Bundy Family. I was attempting to reference The Hage Family Court Decision in regards to The CFC and The Fed's Violation of The Fourth Amendment. Perhaps I am errant in using The Hage Case to support The Bundy Deal. The Hage Family Case has been settled in The Court System (CFC ) and The Bundy Case has not been to The CFC or SCOTUS, yet. The Hage Family Case has set LEGAL PRECEDENT. The Bundy Family is attempting to use The Hage Family Case.
Facts are nothing but interpretation.
They weren't "facts" in the cases the Hages lost, but now that the Hages' won - they are "facts."
Does that make sense. You can't have it both ways - the first courts said they weren't facts - the later court said they were - you think they are "facts" because you want the Hages to win and so they did and now the first court cases are no longer a "factual" standing toward hte Hages.
This is all very clear in my head - LOLOL
Good for you! heheeheheh
Now where does that leave the idea that The Fed's Violated The Hage's Family Fourth Amendment via the LAST Court Of Claims (CFC) decision? | |
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Location: Arizona | bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 4:09 PM
MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-04-22 4:00 PM
I just wanted to add my two cents about the BLM being abusive to the wild burros and mustangs. I actually own a BLM mustang, my husband was there when they loaded him up in the truck. These horses were beat the He%* up some with serious wounds and they were sent with the trainers anyway. They used cattle prods, and eared them down to get them in the chutes. (Now I understand these are wild horses and I'm not a weenie as far as "abusive" training goes just an FYI ) However, my gelding STILL has issues with his left ear from these incidents. Also, they had so many horses crammed into such small spaces they were constantly kicking, biting, etc. My gelding was skin and bones and clearly wasn't getting enough feed against all the other geldings/studs he was jammed in there with. I've also seen videos of the roundups where their hooves have actually been worn to nubs and had to be euthanized from running from the choppers so long.
I don't know what the solution is to the overpopulation of mustangs and burros. I can just say I'd rather they be humanely euthanized than endure some of the things they have to. I am so grateful to have my boy, best horse I could ever ask for.
Possible solutions to the wild horse populations-
1 ) let the Native Americans go back to rounding them up, branding them and selling them for slaughter. They typically did 200-300 per round up and didnt cost us tax payers anything for round up or transportation and they managed the herd numbers and made decent money doing it...better yet, open it up to anyone eager enough to round them.
2 ) do an open hunt season and manage them like the antelope, deer or elk. Horse meat is consumable and I would imagine most people would be 100% fine consuming it if it weren't for the mantra connected to eating horse meat.
3 ) round them and the illegal Mexicans up and ship them all back to Mexico. Maybe we will get a lower combined shipping rate and it will fix both problems.
I think these are all plausible solutions. I see no reason why horse meat can't be consumed. Particularly wild horses and burros who aren't given all the injections/de-worming medications most domesticated horses do.
Oh and on solution #3 haha!
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I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I would not refer to "facts" when some of it is not even close to facts, like the newest "wild horse" BS about Canada and slaughter. People run with a half-azzed story and get FB all worked up and it turns out to be BS. That's all I'm saying.
Again, this book on the history of hte BLM - a Book they would NOT allow to be published today I can say with certainty - talks about the conservatives being in charge of vs. the liberals. Since all of this is documented in Court Records in regards to The Hage Family and The CFC found The Federal Government to be in violation of The Fourth Amendment, what would these incidents and events be called then? Fairy Tales? Inaccurate Memories? Or just perhaps................Historical FACTS maybe?
So wht you are saying is that hte "facts" in the MANY court cases that the Hages lost, weren't facts at all, but now that they won - now they are "facts."
You see how that works - when it's in the favor you want or belieev in, then they are "facts" but when it's not in your favor, then they arne't facts.
Fact is verb for "who you talking to at the time"?
I'm not saying that that stuff didn't happen, I wasn't there, I haven't read hte court docs, I'm pointing out that screaming "facts" at me when I've been aruging that bundy is con artist from the start and now being dismissive because I don't jump on the "fact" wagon is hyocritical. We can literally read hte same "facts" and come away with much different opinions. I'm talking bigger picture, you want me to back track to 1970 and pick out specifics............
I suspect You may be cross referencing the Hage Family and The Bundy Family. I was attempting to reference The Hage Family Court Decision in regards to The CFC and The Fed's Violation of The Fourth Amendment. Perhaps I am errant in using The Hage Case to support The Bundy Deal. The Hage Family Case has been settled in The Court System (CFC ) and The Bundy Case has not been to The CFC or SCOTUS, yet. The Hage Family Case has set LEGAL PRECEDENT. The Bundy Family is attempting to use The Hage Family Case.
Facts are nothing but interpretation.
They weren't "facts" in the cases the Hages lost, but now that the Hages' won - they are "facts."
Does that make sense. You can't have it both ways - the first courts said they weren't facts - the later court said they were - you think they are "facts" because you want the Hages to win and so they did and now the first court cases are no longer a "factual" standing toward hte Hages.
This is all very clear in my head - LOLOL Good for you! heheeheheh Now where does that leave the idea that The Fed's Violated The Hage's Family Fourth Amendment via the LAST Court Of Claims (CFC ) decision?
I think the Hages should have already been compensated for their losses based on the last court case! I'm sad that they have not been. | |
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| bscanchaser - 2014-04-22 3:09 PM MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-04-22 4:00 PM I just wanted to add my two cents about the BLM being abusive to the wild burros and mustangs. I actually own a BLM mustang, my husband was there when they loaded him up in the truck. These horses were beat the He%* up some with serious wounds and they were sent with the trainers anyway. They used cattle prods, and eared them down to get them in the chutes. (Now I understand these are wild horses and I'm not a weenie as far as "abusive" training goes just an FYI ) However, my gelding STILL has issues with his left ear from these incidents. Also, they had so many horses crammed into such small spaces they were constantly kicking, biting, etc. My gelding was skin and bones and clearly wasn't getting enough feed against all the other geldings/studs he was jammed in there with. I've also seen videos of the roundups where their hooves have actually been worn to nubs and had to be euthanized from running from the choppers so long. I don't know what the solution is to the overpopulation of mustangs and burros. I can just say I'd rather they be humanely euthanized than endure some of the things they have to. I am so grateful to have my boy, best horse I could ever ask for. Possible solutions to the wild horse populations- 1 ) let the Native Americans go back to rounding them up, branding them and selling them for slaughter. They typically did 200-300 per round up and didnt cost us tax payers anything for round up or transportation and they managed the herd numbers and made decent money doing it...better yet, open it up to anyone eager enough to round them. 2 ) do an open hunt season and manage them like the antelope, deer or elk. Horse meat is consumable and I would imagine most people would be 100% fine consuming it if it weren't for the mantra connected to eating horse meat. 3 ) round them and the illegal Mexicans up and ship them all back to Mexico. Maybe we will get a lower combined shipping rate and it will fix both problems.
Somehow I missed this one - hard to keep up - totally agree. But can you picture the exploding activists if this were true??
I wish common sense was more common. I have a horse activist on my wall and she is beyond helping. They (BLM) is decreasing numbers in Nevada based on drought and forage and she claims they are rounding them up to be "destroyed" - uh, NO, they are not. Adopting them out - at considerable expense - is not "destroyed." | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 2:29 PM TXBO - 2014-04-22 3:26 PM It does, does it not? I agree, I could well wrong in believing Cliven Bundy's Claim. Wouldn't be the first time I have been hoodwinked. However, The Hages and the Individuals in New Mexico and along The Red River in Texas, I believe are legitimate Stands Against An Overbearing Government! | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | As much as we all love animals we know that we have to realistic...I think the entire wildhorse program is ridiculous myself. It could be taken care of humanely, though...I know that the old timers didn't abuse the horses, heck, they planned on using them! My great grandparents used to gather mustangs out here & take them to Oklahoma every year...Grandma would drive the wagon & 'train' them along the way to that while Grandpa would break them to ride...she said there were times she wouldn't see him all day long! They got to Ok. & had a good herd of broke & gentle horses to sell! Lol...
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-22 3:57 PM As much as we all love animals we know that we have to realistic...I think the entire wildhorse program is ridiculous myself. It could be taken care of humanely, though...I know that the old timers didn't abuse the horses, heck, they planned on using them! My great grandparents used to gather mustangs out here & take them to Oklahoma every year...Grandma would drive the wagon & 'train' them along the way to that while Grandpa would break them to ride...she said there were times she wouldn't see him all day long! They got to Ok. & had a good herd of broke & gentle horses to sell! Lol...
(I really like option #3...)
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jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos. | |
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| jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, of course, how silly of me, we know everything there is to know by videos and a court order. Come on already.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose. | |
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| In a civil court case, after a judge or jury hands down a verdict -- or after a court-approved settlement -- a judgment is entered by the court. As part of a typical judgment, the court orders the payment of money from one person to another. But the person who owes the money (the debtor) doesn't always pay up. A judgment lien is one way to ensure that the person who won the judgment (the creditor) gets what he or she is owed. A judgment lien gives the creditor the right to be paid a certain amount of money from proceeds from the sale of the debtor's property.
Judgement lien - FROM THE SALE OF DEBTOR"S PROPERTY.
What kind of property is subject to a judgment lien under Nevada law?
In every state, a judgment lien can be attached to the debtor's real estate -- meaning a house, condo, land, or similar kind of property interest. And some states also allow judgment liens on the debtor's personal property -- things like jewelry, art, antiques, and other valuables. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | smiley - 2014-04-22 5:12 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose.
I only want to say that I've seen ads in the local paper when some cattle were 'impounded' on BLM, impounded by the sheriff's office. They posted it in the paper giving the owners so much time to claim them along with the info that they would be sold at auction if not claimed.
We're never going to agree on some of this...I have the utmost respect for Bundy & his supporters against our overeaching and bullying gov't agencies that should not exist...we have law enforcement who take an oath to protect our rights & have the jurisdiction to handle these issues, these agencies do not.
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jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose.
Let Us go down the "20 year" deal. It just occurred to me this afternoon that the BLM did not 'go after' Bundy (for 20+ years) until Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" was installed The BLM Chief. Does this coincidence not strike anyone as peculiar? I really don't why I have noticed 'this' before afternoon. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 5:44 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 6:12 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose. Let Us go down the "20 year" deal. It just occurred to me this afternoon that the BLM did not 'go after' Bundy (for 20+ years ) until Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" was installed The BLM Chief. Does this coincidence not strike anyone as peculiar? I really don't why I have noticed 'this' before afternoon.
Yes they did, that is even proved by the blm page that was shared on this thread, they have sent him multiple trespass notices and they had been to court. | |
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