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Location: North Texas | This is the original as linked to The Drudge Report.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-...
Exclusive--Texas AG Abbott to BLM: 'Come and Take It'
BLM Eyes 90,000 Acres of Texas Land
by Bob Price
1 day ago
After Breitbart Texas reported on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM) intent to seize 90,000 acres belonging to Texas landholders along the Texas/Oklahoma line, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott questioned the BLM’s authority to take such action.
“I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.”
Gen. Abbott sent a strongly-worded letter to BLM Director Neil Kornze, asking for answers to a series of questions related to the potential land grab.
“I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations,” General Abbott wrote. “The BLM’s newly asserted claims to land along the Red River threaten to upset long-settled private property rights and undermine fundamental principles—including the rule of law—that form the foundation of our democracy. Yet, the BLM has failed to disclose either its full intentions or the legal justification for its proposed actions. Decisions of this magnitude must not be made inside a bureaucratic black box.”
In an exclusive interview with Breitbart Texas, General Abbott said, “This is the latest line of attack by the Obama Administration where it seems like they have a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country ...And now they’ve crossed the line quite literally by coming into the State of Texas and trying to claim Texas land as federal land. And, as the Attorney General of Texas I am not going to allow this.”
Abbott challenged the BLM director directly stating in his letter, “Nearly a century ago, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River—subject to the doctrines of accretion and avulsion—was the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma. Oklahoma v. Texas, 260 U.S. 606 (1923). More recently, in 1994, the BLM stated that the Red River area was “[a] unique situation” and stated that ‘[t]he area itself cannot be defined until action by the U.S. Congress establishes the permanent state boundary between Oklahoma and Texas.’ Further, the BLM determined that one possible scenario was legislation that established the ‘south geologic cut bank as the boundary,’ which could have resulted ‘in up to 90,000 acres’ of newly delineated federal land. But no such legislation was ever enacted.”
As to what kind of standoff might Texas might be facing with the BLM on this matter, Abbott said, “I think that we should be able to resolve this from a legal standpoint because, I believe, what the BLM is doing clearly violates the law. They don’t have any legal standing whatsoever to do this and that’s why I have issued this letter today.”
In the letter, Gen. Abbott details five issues for the BLM to address:
1.Please delineate with specificity each of the steps for the RMP/EIS process for property along the Red River.
2.Please describe the procedural due process the BLM will afford to Texans whose property may be claimed by the federal government.
3.Please confirm whether the BLM agrees that, from 1923 until the ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact, the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma was the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River. To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s position.
4.Please confirm whether the BLM still considers Congress’ ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact as determinative of its interest in land along the Red River? To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s new position.
5.Please delineate with specificity the amount of Texas territory that would be impacted by the BLM’s decision to claim this private land as the property of the federal government.
“The letter today,” Abbott explained, “is the first shot in the legal process. We expect answers from them and based upon their answers we will decide what legal action to take.”
“What Barack Obama’s BLM is doing,” Abbott continued, “is so out of bounds and so offensive that we should have quick and successful legal action if they dare attempt to tread on Texas land and take it from private property owners in this state.”
As to the timeline of how this matter moves forward Abbott explained that it is hard to tell how quickly or slowly the BLM might move on this matter. “One of the problems is, we can’t tell what they’re doing other than trying to operate in very suspicious ways. We want to make sure they are going to be open and transparent about what they are doing and that constitutional due process rights are going to be protected.”
Abbott told Breitbart Texas he wants to make sure the BLM understands that what they appear to be attempting to do is completely illegal. “This is Texas land. It belongs to Texas and the private property owners here,” Abbott firmly stated. “If we have to, we will assert quick and effective legal action to put a stop to it.”
Abbott said the next step now is for the BLM to respond to his letter and the five points detailed above. “The way these things work is,” Abbott explained, “what they say in response will lead to more questions. I anticipate another round of questions will follow in response to their answers.”
At that point, Abbott said it should be clear that either Texas will be taking legal action to stop them or the BLM will be backing off because they have no legal basis to support “their wrongful attempt to take Texas land.”
The BLM currently maintains roughly 40,000 acres of land in Collin County around Lake Lavon. When asked about this land, Abbott responded, “We’re looking at anything and everything BLM either has or is considering doing across the State of Texas. Anytime we see land grabs like this by federal authorities, it raises red flags that cause us to look into the full extent of their operations.”
Abbott said this issue comes down to a fundamental principle and that is, “private property rights and the rule of law are the foundation of democracy. Repeatedly we see the Obama Administration erode that foundation of democracy. As Attorney General, I will be restoring that bedrock foundation by restoring and protecting private property rights and the rule of law in Texas.”
Abbott summarized his position thusly, “If I have to, I will make this our 31st lawsuit against the Obama Administration.”
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-22 7:52 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 5:44 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 6:12 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns". I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig. Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well. Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose. Let Us go down the "20 year" deal. It just occurred to me this afternoon that the BLM did not 'go after' Bundy (for 20+ years ) until Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" was installed The BLM Chief. Does this coincidence not strike anyone as peculiar? I really don't why I have noticed 'this' before afternoon.
You are missing my Point (again). Which is there had been no physical action taken I.E. BLM Armed (unauthorized) Agents to confiscate Bundy's Cattle. Remember, The County Sheriff should have in been charge of Confiscation of Cattle. None of these actions took place until after Neil Kornze was installed as BLM Chief. Remember, Neil Kornze is a Harry Reid "Lieutenant". This has all been estashblished as factual.
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Location: North Texas | Now in regards to the Texas/BLM Controversy, I spoke with both Texas Senators' Offices and Two Texas Congressmen's Offices (My District and The Disputed One), I got much much more reassurances from The Senator's Staffer(s) than I did from either Congressmen's Staff Members. I was rather perturbed w/ the response(s) from The Congressmen's Staff. This was this morning. | |
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Location: North Texas | Smiley, I will add that The County Sheriff is THE Authority for confiscation of propetry to include livestock. And I am not aware of any reports that The Clark County Sheriff of Nevada was requested or presented w/ Court Order(s) to confiscate any propetry from Cliven Bundy. You keep up w/ the on-line stuff, are you aware of any reports to this effect? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:53 PM Smiley, I will add that The County Sheriff is THE Authority for confiscation of propetry to include livestock. And I am not aware of any reports that The Clark County Sheriff of Nevada was requested or presented w/ Court Order(s) to confiscate any propetry from Cliven Bundy. You keep up w/ the on-line stuff, are you aware of any reports to this effect?
Precisely.
Concerning the Red River...wow. What was once considered 'navigable waters' is so miscontrued! What a joke!!! This is exactly how the EPA has taken control of our most basic need. Look it up! Deny it & let's fire those thieves! Come on people...it's not that complicated. If you don't 'get it' then go to the back of the bus. Be a pushover if you so decide...but, stop voting! For all our sakes.
As to the animal abuse in the video...I will never ever give a 'pass' to anyone who torments a creature of any sort. Shame. If we need to kill them, fine...have some heart. That man was jerking the rope halter & creating the problem before there was one...are we not horse people who know what he did was wrong???? Jeez...I can't believe the bs...God have mercy.
No freaking wonder we're in this mess. We're so da** busy trying to pick 'sides' & judging the so-called character of a man that our own integrity has been flushed down the toilet.
God bless America...I sure hope we still have some hope...
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:53 PM Smiley, I will add that The County Sheriff is THE Authority for confiscation of propetry to include livestock. And I am not aware of any reports that The Clark County Sheriff of Nevada was requested or presented w/ Court Order(s) to confiscate any propetry from Cliven Bundy. You keep up w/ the on-line stuff, are you aware of any reports to this effect?
Nope, but that would make more sense - and maybe they did have a converstaion (BLM and Sheriff) that none of us are privvy to. I don't understand why the Sheriff stayed quiet so long either. You know darn well someone told him, whether that was the BLM or the gossip at the corner coffee shop, he knew it was going down. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:30 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 7:52 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 5:44 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 6:12 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 4:28 PM smiley - 2014-04-22 2:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 12:55 PM jbhoot - 2014-04-22 12:35 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 10:14 AM smiley - 2014-04-21 11:19 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-21 2:25 PM Still viewing the Part II, but an interesting point is "The Environmentalist(s) are pawns".
I agree, that was a good point. The water rights are what is bugging me at the moment, who the hell is United Water and why would we sell water rights to non-Americans.
I still think Bundy is wrong, but clearly there is a history here that is hard to comprehend unless you really dig.
Follow the money! There is literally millions of dollars at stake involved with these water rights. FH take a google sat. fly over of Bundy's deeded 150 acres. It is all irrigated he raises melons and hay on it. He has about two miles of river frontage. Hmmmm 150 acres of deeded land with river frontage just off a major interchange and just north of lake mead. Ya think it might have value to a developer. Plus his water rights. As you say follow the money!!!!! It IS conceivable that the BLM would attempt via The IRS to TAKE that 150 Deeded Acres in lieu of fines................................... They don't need the IRS. The judge already gave a blanket judgment to the BLM. Right now he has granted them the right to remove and impound the cattle. But all they have to do is go in front of the judge to get the right to go after the deeded land. I have wondered from the beginning why the BLM waited so long to go after Bundy. I think it was all about running up the bill so they could justify taking the whole thing. If this was only about the cattle the BLM could have hired 12 wranglers on horse back and taken the cattle off at a couple truck loads at a time and this would have never made the news. They have had more than enough time to do so.
They waited so long because it was in court and they had already had such bad press on Hage and the other ranchers. See how they are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't? You're seeing black helicopters.
12 wranglers and a few head at a time...............LOL - yeah, the BLM has the time and energy to do it that way. Come on, that is not realistic and it was the Bundy's that called for "people to show up in large numbers" - the BLM would be stupid to not show in numbers as well.
Well I see you still have no clue what a judgment lien is. The court has issued a JUDGMENT LIEN that means that the court can take any asset that Bundy has. To date the judge has only given authority to remove and impound the cattle. That does not mean that the Judge can't at any time give BLM the authority to go after everything. The BLM has had year to remove the cattle they could have done as I suggest. And please BLM doesn't have the time. THEY HAVE HAD 20 years to solve this issue. And Bundy only asked for help after the BLM showed up in force. You have your facts backwards of what happened. Please go read the court orders and go back and review the videos.
Yes, they let him illegally graze cattle for 20 + years - true. If the man was a cattle man and cared about his stock he would not have let hte BLM round up his cattle.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this and you're right, I'm not a lein expert in any fashion and I would venture to say that you likely don't know as much as you think you do either.
Again, if I go and "impound" your cattle for a debt you owe me, the implication is that I will also "sell" said cattle to recoup the debt. If YOU don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say. It may work that way, it may not. I doubt that you speak for the courts of Nevada, but hey, maybe you are a judge in Nevada and I just don't know it. But I doubt it.
Bundy had requests for "bodies" before the BLM went there, I've been watching this from the get-go and I'm pretty savvy about keeping up with stuff online. He then asked for more. He put his own family in harms way over CATTLE. He put his cattle in harm's way, he put other people in harm's way, he tried to take down the auction house over this too. He's a POS in my book for his 15 minutes of fame. Feel free to agree to disagree, no skin off my nose. Let Us go down the "20 year" deal. It just occurred to me this afternoon that the BLM did not 'go after' Bundy (for 20+ years ) until Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" was installed The BLM Chief. Does this coincidence not strike anyone as peculiar? I really don't why I have noticed 'this' before afternoon.
You are missing my Point (again ). Which is there had been no physical action taken I.E. BLM Armed (unauthorized ) Agents to confiscate Bundy's Cattle. Remember, The County Sheriff should have in been charge of Confiscation of Cattle. None of these actions took place until after Neil Kornze was installed as BLM Chief. Remember, Neil Kornze is a Harry Reid "Lieutenant". This has all been estashblished as factual.
Ahhh, I see where you are going now, but really, this guys time was just up. No matter who asked to have it done or proposed now was the time - the man had been illegally grazine for 20+ years. It was time and frankly I think they should have done it 18 years ago. | |
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-22 9:38 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:53 PM Smiley, I will add that The County Sheriff is THE Authority for confiscation of propetry to include livestock. And I am not aware of any reports that The Clark County Sheriff of Nevada was requested or presented w/ Court Order(s) to confiscate any propetry from Cliven Bundy. You keep up w/ the on-line stuff, are you aware of any reports to this effect? Precisely.
Concerning the Red River...wow. What was once considered 'navigable waters' is so miscontrued! What a joke!!! This is exactly how the EPA has taken control of our most basic need. Look it up! Deny it & let's fire those thieves! Come on people...it's not that complicated. If you don't 'get it' then go to the back of the bus. Be a pushover if you so decide...but, stop voting! For all our sakes.
As to the animal abuse in the video...I will never ever give a 'pass' to anyone who torments a creature of any sort. Shame. If we need to kill them, fine...have some heart. That man was jerking the rope halter & creating the problem before there was one...are we not horse people who know what he did was wrong???? Jeez...I can't believe the bs...God have mercy.
No freaking wonder we're in this mess. We're so da** busy trying to pick 'sides' & judging the so-called character of a man that our own integrity has been flushed down the toilet.
God bless America...I sure hope we still have some hope...
Are you not picking sides and judging? I don't even understand your comment, I gave the man and the donkey the benefit of the doubt and no I do NOT think that is abuse - I am choosing to NOT judge this man based on this one event in which I'm sure his frustration level was very HIGH. Abuse is real damage and real consequences and can result in death. A kick to a donkey who refuses to move is not abuse and belittles real abuse, IMO.
As to the Red River - I agree - I think THAT is a worthy case for our people to rise up and fight.
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:26 PM This is the original as linked to The Drudge Report. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-... Exclusive--Texas AG Abbott to BLM: 'Come and Take It' BLM Eyes 90,000 Acres of Texas Land by Bob Price 1 day ago After Breitbart Texas reported on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM ) intent to seize 90,000 acres belonging to Texas landholders along the Texas/Oklahoma line, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott questioned the BLM’s authority to take such action. “I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.” Gen. Abbott sent a strongly-worded letter to BLM Director Neil Kornze, asking for answers to a series of questions related to the potential land grab. “I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations,” General Abbott wrote. “The BLM’s newly asserted claims to land along the Red River threaten to upset long-settled private property rights and undermine fundamental principles—including the rule of law—that form the foundation of our democracy. Yet, the BLM has failed to disclose either its full intentions or the legal justification for its proposed actions. Decisions of this magnitude must not be made inside a bureaucratic black box.” In an exclusive interview with Breitbart Texas, General Abbott said, “This is the latest line of attack by the Obama Administration where it seems like they have a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country ...And now they’ve crossed the line quite literally by coming into the State of Texas and trying to claim Texas land as federal land. And, as the Attorney General of Texas I am not going to allow this.” Abbott challenged the BLM director directly stating in his letter, “Nearly a century ago, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River—subject to the doctrines of accretion and avulsion—was the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma. Oklahoma v. Texas, 260 U.S. 606 (1923 ). More recently, in 1994, the BLM stated that the Red River area was “[a] unique situation” and stated that ‘[t]he area itself cannot be defined until action by the U.S. Congress establishes the permanent state boundary between Oklahoma and Texas.’ Further, the BLM determined that one possible scenario was legislation that established the ‘south geologic cut bank as the boundary,’ which could have resulted ‘in up to 90,000 acres’ of newly delineated federal land. But no such legislation was ever enacted.” As to what kind of standoff might Texas might be facing with the BLM on this matter, Abbott said, “I think that we should be able to resolve this from a legal standpoint because, I believe, what the BLM is doing clearly violates the law. They don’t have any legal standing whatsoever to do this and that’s why I have issued this letter today.” In the letter, Gen. Abbott details five issues for the BLM to address: 1.Please delineate with specificity each of the steps for the RMP/EIS process for property along the Red River. 2.Please describe the procedural due process the BLM will afford to Texans whose property may be claimed by the federal government. 3.Please confirm whether the BLM agrees that, from 1923 until the ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact, the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma was the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River. To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s position. 4.Please confirm whether the BLM still considers Congress’ ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact as determinative of its interest in land along the Red River? To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s new position. 5.Please delineate with specificity the amount of Texas territory that would be impacted by the BLM’s decision to claim this private land as the property of the federal government. “The letter today,” Abbott explained, “is the first shot in the legal process. We expect answers from them and based upon their answers we will decide what legal action to take.” “What Barack Obama’s BLM is doing,” Abbott continued, “is so out of bounds and so offensive that we should have quick and successful legal action if they dare attempt to tread on Texas land and take it from private property owners in this state.” As to the timeline of how this matter moves forward Abbott explained that it is hard to tell how quickly or slowly the BLM might move on this matter. “One of the problems is, we can’t tell what they’re doing other than trying to operate in very suspicious ways. We want to make sure they are going to be open and transparent about what they are doing and that constitutional due process rights are going to be protected.” Abbott told Breitbart Texas he wants to make sure the BLM understands that what they appear to be attempting to do is completely illegal. “This is Texas land. It belongs to Texas and the private property owners here,” Abbott firmly stated. “If we have to, we will assert quick and effective legal action to put a stop to it.” Abbott said the next step now is for the BLM to respond to his letter and the five points detailed above. “The way these things work is,” Abbott explained, “what they say in response will lead to more questions. I anticipate another round of questions will follow in response to their answers.” At that point, Abbott said it should be clear that either Texas will be taking legal action to stop them or the BLM will be backing off because they have no legal basis to support “their wrongful attempt to take Texas land.” The BLM currently maintains roughly 40,000 acres of land in Collin County around Lake Lavon. When asked about this land, Abbott responded, “We’re looking at anything and everything BLM either has or is considering doing across the State of Texas. Anytime we see land grabs like this by federal authorities, it raises red flags that cause us to look into the full extent of their operations.” Abbott said this issue comes down to a fundamental principle and that is, “private property rights and the rule of law are the foundation of democracy. Repeatedly we see the Obama Administration erode that foundation of democracy. As Attorney General, I will be restoring that bedrock foundation by restoring and protecting private property rights and the rule of law in Texas.” Abbott summarized his position thusly, “If I have to, I will make this our 31st lawsuit against the Obama Administration.”
Did you already post this?? It's the AG's letter..........
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-23 9:19 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-22 7:26 PM This is the original as linked to The Drudge Report. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-... Exclusive--Texas AG Abbott to BLM: 'Come and Take It' BLM Eyes 90,000 Acres of Texas Land by Bob Price 1 day ago After Breitbart Texas reported on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM ) intent to seize 90,000 acres belonging to Texas landholders along the Texas/Oklahoma line, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott questioned the BLM’s authority to take such action. “I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.” Gen. Abbott sent a strongly-worded letter to BLM Director Neil Kornze, asking for answers to a series of questions related to the potential land grab. “I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations,” General Abbott wrote. “The BLM’s newly asserted claims to land along the Red River threaten to upset long-settled private property rights and undermine fundamental principles—including the rule of law—that form the foundation of our democracy. Yet, the BLM has failed to disclose either its full intentions or the legal justification for its proposed actions. Decisions of this magnitude must not be made inside a bureaucratic black box.” In an exclusive interview with Breitbart Texas, General Abbott said, “This is the latest line of attack by the Obama Administration where it seems like they have a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country ...And now they’ve crossed the line quite literally by coming into the State of Texas and trying to claim Texas land as federal land. And, as the Attorney General of Texas I am not going to allow this.” Abbott challenged the BLM director directly stating in his letter, “Nearly a century ago, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River—subject to the doctrines of accretion and avulsion—was the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma. Oklahoma v. Texas, 260 U.S. 606 (1923 ). More recently, in 1994, the BLM stated that the Red River area was “[a] unique situation” and stated that ‘[t]he area itself cannot be defined until action by the U.S. Congress establishes the permanent state boundary between Oklahoma and Texas.’ Further, the BLM determined that one possible scenario was legislation that established the ‘south geologic cut bank as the boundary,’ which could have resulted ‘in up to 90,000 acres’ of newly delineated federal land. But no such legislation was ever enacted.” As to what kind of standoff might Texas might be facing with the BLM on this matter, Abbott said, “I think that we should be able to resolve this from a legal standpoint because, I believe, what the BLM is doing clearly violates the law. They don’t have any legal standing whatsoever to do this and that’s why I have issued this letter today.” In the letter, Gen. Abbott details five issues for the BLM to address: 1.Please delineate with specificity each of the steps for the RMP/EIS process for property along the Red River. 2.Please describe the procedural due process the BLM will afford to Texans whose property may be claimed by the federal government. 3.Please confirm whether the BLM agrees that, from 1923 until the ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact, the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma was the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River. To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s position. 4.Please confirm whether the BLM still considers Congress’ ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact as determinative of its interest in land along the Red River? To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s new position. 5.Please delineate with specificity the amount of Texas territory that would be impacted by the BLM’s decision to claim this private land as the property of the federal government. “The letter today,” Abbott explained, “is the first shot in the legal process. We expect answers from them and based upon their answers we will decide what legal action to take.” “What Barack Obama’s BLM is doing,” Abbott continued, “is so out of bounds and so offensive that we should have quick and successful legal action if they dare attempt to tread on Texas land and take it from private property owners in this state.” As to the timeline of how this matter moves forward Abbott explained that it is hard to tell how quickly or slowly the BLM might move on this matter. “One of the problems is, we can’t tell what they’re doing other than trying to operate in very suspicious ways. We want to make sure they are going to be open and transparent about what they are doing and that constitutional due process rights are going to be protected.” Abbott told Breitbart Texas he wants to make sure the BLM understands that what they appear to be attempting to do is completely illegal. “This is Texas land. It belongs to Texas and the private property owners here,” Abbott firmly stated. “If we have to, we will assert quick and effective legal action to put a stop to it.” Abbott said the next step now is for the BLM to respond to his letter and the five points detailed above. “The way these things work is,” Abbott explained, “what they say in response will lead to more questions. I anticipate another round of questions will follow in response to their answers.” At that point, Abbott said it should be clear that either Texas will be taking legal action to stop them or the BLM will be backing off because they have no legal basis to support “their wrongful attempt to take Texas land.” The BLM currently maintains roughly 40,000 acres of land in Collin County around Lake Lavon. When asked about this land, Abbott responded, “We’re looking at anything and everything BLM either has or is considering doing across the State of Texas. Anytime we see land grabs like this by federal authorities, it raises red flags that cause us to look into the full extent of their operations.” Abbott said this issue comes down to a fundamental principle and that is, “private property rights and the rule of law are the foundation of democracy. Repeatedly we see the Obama Administration erode that foundation of democracy. As Attorney General, I will be restoring that bedrock foundation by restoring and protecting private property rights and the rule of law in Texas.” Abbott summarized his position thusly, “If I have to, I will make this our 31st lawsuit against the Obama Administration.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/219684610/Abbott-Letter-to-BLM
This is the original as linked to The Drudge Report.
I stated this in the original I posted. | |
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| I will say that I think slant of the current "in charge" folks is very liberal. I can't possibly begin to argue in favor of a director with three whole years of B L M experience. I can't fathom such a bold placement, but who knows.
Wait and see I guess. Voting this next presidential election will be very important and maybe if we get a conservative this time, he or she can look into recent "appointments" that may or may not be justified! | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-22 8:53 PM Smiley, I will add that The County Sheriff is THE Authority for confiscation of propetry to include livestock. And I am not aware of any reports that The Clark County Sheriff of Nevada was requested or presented w/ Court Order(s) to confiscate any propetry from Cliven Bundy. You keep up w/ the on-line stuff, are you aware of any reports to this effect?
Go read Article 1, Sec 2 of the Constitution of the State of Nevada and tell me what you think? | |
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| The Constitution of the State of Nevada
Article 1
Sec: 2. Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States. All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-23 10:21 AM The Constitution of the State of Nevada
Article 1
Sec: 2. Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States. All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
The text I highlighted turns my stomach! What happened to Individual Liberty and Freedom?! | |
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Location: North Texas | Smiley, and TxBo as well. Let "us" follow the money on the event so to speak and see just "WHO" would gain the most from Cliven Bundy losing access to this tract of Real Estate.
Rusty Hill is someone who has Real Estate Experience with verifiable credentials and is documented as a Whistle Blower.
The below video is approx. 35 minutes long but well worth the time and effort required to gain the information it presents.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-blm-whistleblower-reveal-rea...
This video validates the timeline of Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" being installed as the BLM Chief. It also mentions many different Entities that own Real Estate in Clark County Nevada to include Reid Bunkerville LLC. Interesting, is it not that the Reid Family Name (and per The Mormon Research, The Reid Family is a small Clan) is included in this list? Also, said Entity owns land adjoining this disputed BLM Real Estate that Cliven Bundy has been dealing with.
Also, per other research, The Bureau of Land Management is not recognized as a Government Organization, therefore it is classified as a Nongovernment Organization or NGO. With this status, just where does the BLM derive authority to have Armed Agents?
There is much much much more to this story than simple long term trespassing here folks!
Also there is another video that depicts Harry Reid's "body language" in regards to this event.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-harry-reids-body-language-li...
Now to me, body language is indicative as words, and with that said, then Harry Reid is in this up to his eyeballs. And I have repeatedly stated this. These videos just validate that there is something to this.
Again, Follow The Money!
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-23 11:29 AM Smiley, and TxBo as well. Let "us" follow the money on the event so to speak and see just "WHO" would gain the most from Cliven Bundy losing access to this tract of Real Estate. Rusty Hill is someone who has Real Estate Experience with verifiable credentials and is documented as a Whistle Blower. The below video is approx. 35 minutes long but well worth the time and effort required to gain the information it presents. http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-blm-whistleblower-reveal-rea... This video validates the timeline of Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" being installed as the BLM Chief. It also mentions many different Entities that own Real Estate in Clark County Nevada to include Reid Bunkerville LLC. Interesting, is it not that the Reid Family Name (and per The Mormon Research, The Reid Family is a small Clan ) is included in this list? Also, said Entity owns land adjoining this disputed BLM Real Estate that Cliven Bundy has been dealing with. Also, per other research, The Bureau of Land Management is not recognized as a Government Organization, therefore it is classified as a Nongovernment Organization or NGO. With this status, just where does the BLM derive authority to have Armed Agents? There is much much much more to this story than simple long term trespassing here folks! Also there is another video that depicts Harry Reid's "body language" in regards to this event. http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-harry-reids-body-language-li... Now to me, body language is indicative as words, and with that said, then Harry Reid is in this up to his eyeballs. And I have repeatedly stated this. These videos just validate that there is something to this. Again, Follow The Money!
Western Journalism is no longer a legit site to me, they have already passed on some really inaccurate info and reported a selective bit of info, as it pleased them.
There can always be a conspiracy made after the fact. I guess Nevada knows who butters its bread and they are willing to put it in their consititution!!
Looks like Bundy might want to read it.
As to the minion in the BLM for Reid - like I said - elect a different president and change the status quo in the blm, which reports to the top levels. As the admin's change from liberal to conservative and back again - so to the goals and people in charge at the blm.
Politics and activism = conspiracy's. Basically, when conservatives are getting their pockets lined they don't see conspiracies, but when liberals are doing it they see them and vice versa for liberals toward conservatives. Meanwhile, there is a whole truckload of us out here stuck in the middle of crazy town. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-23 11:29 AM Smiley, and TxBo as well. Let "us" follow the money on the event so to speak and see just "WHO" would gain the most from Cliven Bundy losing access to this tract of Real Estate. Rusty Hill is someone who has Real Estate Experience with verifiable credentials and is documented as a Whistle Blower. The below video is approx. 35 minutes long but well worth the time and effort required to gain the information it presents. http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-blm-whistleblower-reveal-rea... This video validates the timeline of Harry Reid's "Lieutenant" being installed as the BLM Chief. It also mentions many different Entities that own Real Estate in Clark County Nevada to include Reid Bunkerville LLC. Interesting, is it not that the Reid Family Name (and per The Mormon Research, The Reid Family is a small Clan ) is included in this list? Also, said Entity owns land adjoining this disputed BLM Real Estate that Cliven Bundy has been dealing with. Also, per other research, The Bureau of Land Management is not recognized as a Government Organization, therefore it is classified as a Nongovernment Organization or NGO. With this status, just where does the BLM derive authority to have Armed Agents? There is much much much more to this story than simple long term trespassing here folks! Also there is another video that depicts Harry Reid's "body language" in regards to this event. http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-harry-reids-body-language-li... Now to me, body language is indicative as words, and with that said, then Harry Reid is in this up to his eyeballs. And I have repeatedly stated this. These videos just validate that there is something to this. Again, Follow The Money!
Taken from Wiki:
Law enforcement and security[edit]
The BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security, headquartered in Washington, D.C., is a federal law enforcement agency of the U.S. government. All Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents receive their training through Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC). Law Enforcement Rangers attend the Land Management Police Training (LMPT) academy at FLTEC, while BLM Special Agents attend the Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP) at FLETC.
BLM Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents make up the law enforcement capability of the BLM. Rangers and Special Agents are located in each of the western states that have BLM lands. Law Enforcement Rangers make up the uniformed high visibility enforcement of laws. Special Agents investigate crimes against property, visitors and employees.
Uniformed Law Enforcement Rangers enforce Federal laws and regulations governing BLM lands and resources. Law Enforcement Rangers also enforce some or all state laws on BLM lands. As part of that mission Law Enforcement Rangers carry firearms, defensive equipment, make arrests, execute search warrants, complete reports and testify in court. They establish a regular and recurring presence on a vast amount of public lands, roads, and recreation sites. The primary focus of their jobs is the protection of natural resources, protection of BLM employees and the protection of visitors. They use K-9s, helicopters, snowmobiles, dirt bikes and boats to perform their duties.
Special Agents are criminal investigators who plan and conduct investigations concerning possible violations of criminal and administrative provisions of the BLM and other statutes under the United States Code. Special agents are normally plain clothes officers who carry concealed firearms, and other defensive equipment, make arrests, carry out complex criminal investigations, present cases for prosecution to U.S. Attorneys, and prepare investigative reports. Criminal investigators occasionally conduct internal and civil claim investigations.
** I don't know why they have "law enforcement" but I dang sure know I would not go into the places they do without a weapon nor would I ask anyone else to.
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| Question- Does Cliven Bundy owe money to the government? | |
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| bingo - 2014-04-23 2:01 PM Question- Does Cliven Bundy owe money to the government?
Yes.
In grazing fees and fines for his cattle. There is a possible question of also owing taxes, but no one I have seen has been able to prove that one. | |
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